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12-23-2010 01:12 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Show me where my assumptions are off and help us to see...for real....I'll gladly have a look and give it my consideration.

And, BTW, who cares about the 3 minute Tareq video? I based my figuring mostly on two things.
1. The videos demonstrated here make no case. A challenge was put up and Aaron (I think it was Aaron) threw it down. The clear winner in my mind. This is my opinion so I'm not chest beating about it. Just my opinion. What others see I do not have to convince them they see otherwise. That would make no sense to me. I just can't figure what one would have to gain by trying so hard to convince someone else what they should like. Heck, even if you were selling something, that would be bad buisnessmanship. I just don't get it.

2. I ran some theoretical calculations on what an electric is physically cabable of. Does not have anything to do with a Tareq video. That would be a very subjective thing to do and would require wild assumptions. Not getting that from here...just what an e-heli is capable of...only the most minor of assumptions like is it 90% eff or 85%. It's probably 75% but I can't prove that so will not claim. I'll give 85-90 until more evidence. See the difference between wild assumptions and useful ones?
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12-23-2010 01:19 AM  9 years ago
OICU812

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Lon more you speak more it stinks in here. You don't know me or anything about me so don't preach like you do ok? I'm tired of your personal issues leaking into threads that's a real issue that you need to deal with.

If you want to continue baiting me do it in pm as I can deal with your crap there rather then everyone having to listen to this junk. After these clarifications I'm done as I feel bad having to defend myself against allegations based on assumptions and will wait for truth and facts simple.

Lon have you seen me fly? No sorry I'm not that look at me guy spamming vids for attention like some again make your efforts in fact rather then personal attacks I'm not interested in trying to educate you is that clear? It's not personal it's about your claim, simply put let's hear some facts see if your truthfull or just assuming.

My interest is in fact and truth we'll see if your claim of killing packs in 3 minutes is true and if so we'll learn facts and details around it to know what time HIS model will produce under his ability.

There are enough people here that have seen me fly and chatted to know any ability I have under my restricted season and work schedule. Given my time I'm able to actually fly I'm pleased with where I'm at. Your assumptions and mcrackins that I can't fly based on vids of both of you on net, makes your assumptions on my abilities far from correct to say the very very least. Keep being personal and assumptuous it us getting you no where.

Now usefull would be providing facts, back on topic shall we?
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12-23-2010 01:40 AM  9 years ago
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12-23-2010 01:47 AM  9 years ago
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I heard that shawn can throw some smack down like nobody's business. They don't let sucky pilots be reps from what I hear.High Voltage just works better
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12-23-2010 01:51 AM  9 years ago
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The great one has a very unique style...one that wows the crowds at events and at the same time would most likely score low at any well known 3D event. Hes a smack pilot a really great/crazy one that puts on a wonderful show.

If hes burning up packs its because he did not pick out the right stuff or he wasn't given the right stuff to use. Ive seen Bert K. do things locally with his 12s TREX 700 that are every bit as insane as Tareq to the point I though the machine was going to explode and it didnt If packs are melting the setup is wrong...

E Power will always win out in a drag race and always have the best pop because of the solid torque output.

An engine will always win out in duration and provide consistent power.

Regardless, this is a no win little argument.
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12-23-2010 01:58 AM  9 years ago
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Rog,
Ive been to a few Funflys and can tell you I seen some bad Reps .You don't need to be a hot pilot to become a rep.Not saying no names but their was a Hirobo Rep that couldn't stay in the air longer than 2-3 mins.Anyone that went to the MidAmericaFunFly last year knows this .If you can do some inverted/upright hovering and a few ok tricks,you can become a Rep.Im a crappy pilot and had my chance with TT and Outrage.TT split and Dino left ,Outrage has some things going on I want no part of.Im working on something else right now but im not close to a good pilot.
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12-23-2010 02:01 AM  9 years ago
LonR

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Eco8gator
E Power will always win out in a drag race and always have the best pop because of the solid torque output.

An engine will always win out in duration and provide consistent power.

Regardless, this is a no win little argument.
100% agreed..
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12-23-2010 02:12 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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E Power will always win out in a drag race and always have the best pop because of the solid torque output.

An engine will always win out in duration and provide consistent power.

Regardless, this is a no win little argument.
Eco8,
First of all, I happen to agree. This is precisely my opinion as well. But, this is exactly what is being argued here. That what you state as fact, and which makes perfect sense to me, is all wrong. Of course no proof is ever offered to prove it wrong.

I don't know win or lose but I bet the truth could be answered within reasonable doubt. The problem is that when someone tries to get to the answers, all kinds of subjective and personal stuff keeps derailing things. Why...I cannot even imagine.
Now it is getting boring.
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12-23-2010 02:14 AM  9 years ago
willie evans

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I do not come to forums much as I have 6 kids and a busy life. But I see that a guy I know has been mentioned alot.

OICU812, I taught Shawn how to fly around 2005 late winter and he started out learning pretty good. In coming years he helped many learn to build and to fly and this was rewarding to me as that is what I did for him and this felt good. We get only 4 to 5 months of flying here so it is hard to be in hobby. If he became a decent pilot then good and if not then that was ok to as long as like me someone who has been in hobby for over 10 years like me he enjoyed it.

He became pretty good not like this tareq guy or alan szabo but good enough without using a sim but flying with me and friends. I know I wanted to goto Ircha with him and other people last year but they all live now far away for sometime and I have a family that needed me here. Heard they spent alot of time helping others there both nitro and electric with vbars and tuning helis, to me that does not sound like someone who is against nitro or against helping someone and contributing to the hobby?

That said before summer ended I seen him and many others that came into hobby fly

mcrackin said
I would say the heli would fly twice as long with you on the sticks easily.
LonR said
The reason you'll never see videos of him flying is because he doesn't fly hard enough to
Niether of you have met him or got to know him, I have and both of what you say is not only rude but not true. What are your contributions to the hobby how do you help others? This is more important. You guys act like my kids sometimes

I fly Nitro 600 t-rex a Century Swift still and many planes and I like them all and enjoy them when I am not doing something with my kids.

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12-23-2010 02:28 AM  9 years ago
Band1086

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An engine will always win out in duration and provide consistent power.
We'll see if this is true as tech improves. I remember just a few years back, my buddies and I were at a FF, and a guy with a Joker was flying. WOW...he flew for a whole 1.5 mins on the tech available then, and you should have seen the packs! I was thinking to myself, A Joker E huh(?), what a JOKE!...NOT impressed! And went and flew my N's...
Anyway, we will see..
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12-23-2010 02:32 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Looky what I just got. What a marvel of engineering.

Gosh, I feel like a kid on Christmas morning.

And, just for everyones information, once I have this neatly tucked into my 600, I will be comming here to tell you all that it is the bestest heli on the planet. And there will be nothing any of you could say to convince me otherwise.

Just so you know that's comming is all.
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12-23-2010 02:34 AM  9 years ago
Band1086

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^^^ I'd put extra locktite on your bolts and use extra hard bolts...
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12-23-2010 02:41 AM  9 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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And, just for everyones information, once I have this neatly tucked into my 600, I will be comming here to tell you all that it is the bestest heli on the planet. And there will be nothing any of you could say to convince me otherwise.
Really??? Where you you plug the lipos in?
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12-23-2010 02:43 AM  9 years ago
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We'll see if this is true as tech improves.
You may be right and I hope you are. But it looks like the capacity of lipos have hit the limit of technology wall. There are increases in life and current flow rate...but not capacity. Now, I am not saying this as fact. No claims there so don't go asking me to prove anything. I ask those interested in further e-development...and especially those that would raise someones hopes for it..to go and seek that fact. It's out there...someone knows more about it than us.

As for me, I've drawn my conclusion well enough for my own purposes and am not expecting battery improvements that will help me any within the next several years. On life and rate maybe....but not on capacity.
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12-23-2010 02:46 AM  9 years ago
Steff Giguere

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I can't believe that you guys have been going at it for another 72 pages. You guys will never get that you can't convince the dark side that yours is best...what ever side that my be.Team Synergy, Rail blades, Team Scorpion, V-Team
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12-23-2010 02:55 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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I don't use loctite on my helis. I view that as cheating. Good screw in a good thread always. If the threads get iffy,I'll use it in a pinch but it'll bother me. Only time I can remember losing a screw it was someone elses build. OK OK, I'm doing a little chest beating but it's a craftsmanship thing.

And BTW, I'm not recommending this to anyone.
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12-23-2010 03:07 AM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Really??? Where you you plug the lipos in?
dono...haven't gotten that far. I hear you have to start these things...anybody know how to do that?
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12-23-2010 03:09 AM  9 years ago
Band1086

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am not expecting battery improvements that will help me any within the next several years.
Nothing else coming...after what we've seen in the past few years? You might be right about lipo tech, but I have a hard time believing that as other tech improves, we will see no more flight time improvements...in the next few years.
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12-23-2010 03:23 AM  9 years ago
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Again, I must stress this. I have my own reasons to beleive what I beleive but am no expert at all in this area. You can call this one a wild assumption on my part.
The key thing to realize is that there is a limit to energy density that, once reached, nothing short of a brand new, revolutionary technology will breach. By that I mean beyond chemical storage. This kind of tech leap can easilly be 20+ years to develope.

The big question for our generation is, are we at that wall? We will be at some point...that is without doubt.
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12-23-2010 03:46 AM  9 years ago
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And BTW, I'll add that nitro
(actually applies to all internal combustion engines including in your car) has not hit that wall yet. You don't even use 1/2 the available energy (I think modern cars are around 25-30% to take a guess). Knowing that that much energy is there and being wasted has always bugged me. The biggest limitation is the material the engine is made of. Higher temp materials like ceramic/composites would allow higher cylinder temps and therefore higher eff. A lot higher. But, economics do not allow. So much of the infrastructure of making engines goes out the window.
Now, I often thought it could be more viable in a small nitro engine...but, of course, the demand is not there to pay for the research. And, with electric, it is even less likely to get the investment dollars.
Thus explaining, in part, my being re-invigorated by nitro. I love engines.

Pie in the sky stuff...I know....hope this hasn't bored anyone.
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