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12-21-2010 10:38 PM  9 years ago
LonR

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12-21-2010 10:41 PM  9 years ago
Blades345

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I didn't watch the whole Velocity 90 video as I got annoyed by the sound rather quickly. I love a nice quiet electric where I can hear the sound of the blades.When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-21-2010 10:52 PM  9 years ago
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well the OHB vids are on the "other" site taken by Dan. And the short story is there is less then a minute of "individual" flight time between Lukas flying the Velocity 90 as hard as he can with the best gear and Kyle flying 50 electric Logo 600 hard, as its been debated "hard 3d" and the Velocity 90 CLEARLY even under hands of one of todays best pilots can't even come close to the power and authority in flight as the 50 sized electric! So now as example throw in your new 120 Nitro engine you STILL will not have that power and you will have "maybe" a tad more "individual" flight time but I doubt it and "STILL" have less power then the electric 90, and thats the facts. Anyone who can see, hear, and has common sense on either side can see this is well,, a "FACT" Case closed!...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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12-21-2010 10:59 PM  9 years ago
OICU812

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Debated about a GOOD pilot utilizing ALL power and that is well hard 3D and smacking it.. period.

Electrics is about optimizing your setup, and this is a decent one with a decent pilot, all this flight time, smacking it and on 25C "SMALL" packs to add to the fire! 5:30 mins and awesome power!

Watch at YouTube

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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12-21-2010 11:05 PM  9 years ago
OICU812

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Lets take it another step,

Here is a video of of a TDR electric 90 electric on "SMALL" packs to, even 25C for pete sakes! , doing 1400 rpm in flight as well as 1800 RPM, on same pinion in SAME flight no changing nothing other then flight modes. I would love to see THIS ability and the ability to have authority and that power consitency at lower headspeeds, no vibes and stability and tourque from Nitro, it doesent exist?, if so please lets offer it to the public to see .

BTW there was still juice in the packs "more then safe amount" to fly longer then shown in video.

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12-21-2010 11:12 PM  9 years ago
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Ive seen threads of you and others telling people in the past you can't compare a 50 to 90 or 90 to 50 but now your doing it,its ok when it helps you feel right I guess .Compare same sizes so the weight ect... is the same..
Anyone with common sense knows you can't compare a smaller to bigger or bigger to smaller heli.Has to be the same pilot with the same size helis so he can fly both the exact same way.
Sure,the electric will win the power side which is pointless because noone can out fly the power of a nitro but thats ALL a electric has over nitro..
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12-21-2010 11:16 PM  9 years ago
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12-21-2010 11:19 PM  9 years ago
OICU812

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Lon, and Nitro guys are posting videos of what they feel proves something for their side? Seriously lets look back, pretty sure they are? You included to be fair

Hey just telling the way it is, above posted vids were of 90s, and they obviously rock out to . It's not about when it works for me or the electric crowd Lon, it is about reality and it is visually obvious. I'd like to post OHB vids, but I'll need to DL them into U toob then be able to link from there. Point is the "individual" flight time on electrics is less, but in recent available to everyone vids we are talking about less then a minute when comparing two pros on two helis, which the electric is "clearly" more powerfull that is nothing to even argue about. And the second fact that if the user has decent chargers and 3-4 packs they can fly same or more "total" flight time in a day as the Nitro friend he flies with that is fact. If we are sticking with the facts, "individual" flight time is MORE with nitro = YES, however it is not MORE in a day, period. And secondly to re iterate the fact, "total flight" time in a given day is EASILY as achiveable with electric given the user has decent setup, and let's face it anyone who is serious about electrics has this, again truth.

So it REALLY comes down to what attracts you, but the big advantages are just not there with nitro, this is obvious IMO to ANYONE with an open mind that can see and judge for their own selves.

ALL Nitro has over electric currently is "INDIVIDUAL" flight time NOTHING ELSE. A year ago you'd have more to play with but not the case in the near 2011 days!

Given that 65C packs are now being made this is going to stretch that gap even more on power, flight time and cycle reliability, this makes the arguement for Nitro even more gloomy. As the Nitro guys get their 120 motors in their 90s they add weight, lose flight time and STILL don't have near the power as even the much smaller electrics do, so where is the future going? Pretty clear here and to many, be well.
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12-21-2010 11:21 PM  9 years ago
OICU812

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Aaron 100% swear that the instant I EVER came into a big chunk of money or a lottery I would send you, Lon, heck even bigalou and anyone here RTF kick A$$ Big electrics, along with everything you would need, simply on the basis of you "trying it" I would not even care if it was not your bag persay, but just so you can experience the real electric experience!! BTW they would be flybarless I don't roll with flybars either! Hold me to it, if I can win that damned lottery or something it would be great news for you guys!

Us electric people and on lookers want to see a Nitro do the 1400 and 1800+ rpm modes with good authority and power in same flight still to btw, so dig up those vids when ya can.
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12-21-2010 11:28 PM  9 years ago
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WOW lots of funny math and disinformation being posted. Some of you you electric fanboyz don't mind stretching the truth a bit to make your point.

I guess next your going to tell us the laws of physics don't apply to electric helicopters.

No amount of funny math is going to change the fact that a watt, is a watt! So unless electric helicopter rotors are drastically more efficient it's going to consume the same amount of power as an equivalent sized Nitro at the equivalent performance level.
The efficiency of a typical AC -> DC power is 75%. Powerful chargers are about 92% or better. So the efficiency is likely to be about 69%.
It's true that switching power supply's are more efficient then linear. It's also true that we have chargers capable of a 1000 watts output and electric helicopter enthusiasts want even MORE!

Assuming chargers have an 85 and 90 percent efficiency.

Then charging two 6cell 5ah packs at 10C would = 2520 watts. Sorry none of your funny math needed

Furthermore this works out to say a fast charge of 6 minutes at the following voltages.

220v = 10.5 amps
120v = 21 amps
24v = 105 amps
12v = 210 amps

Maybe thats why the 1000 watt Cellpro powerlab 8 Lipo charger comes with automotive style jumper cable clamps for power input.

Since most home wall outlets have 15 Amp breakers 10c charging of large packs might be somewhat inconvenient. I guess the die-hards could always tap into the dryer outlet

The bottom line is the future of electrics is directly proportional to advancement in charging technology. There are limitations since you can't alter the laws of physics

For example 10C charging really starts to shows the inherent weakness's in our power distribution system. At least the flyer's in Europe have it a bit better with 220.

Not sure I would want to pay the bill for a field full of guys using setups like this all weekend.


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12-21-2010 11:30 PM  9 years ago
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12-21-2010 11:33 PM  9 years ago
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Who needs to charge @ 10c??? 3c charges yeild a 20 minute turnaround time for me. Really who goes to the field and flys back to back all day every time.....nobody. Three packs, fly, change, charge, fly again.Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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12-21-2010 11:34 PM  9 years ago
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It's had to be repetitive as the facts are sinking in for some folks Aaron. If you'd like to wait a year the debate will not exist as electrics innovation and advancement is accelling about 5 times maybe ten times past that of Nitros.

I think in a year to two, you will see threads such as this:

1.) Do you still fly Nitros anymore?
2.) Are you a collector of Nitros?
3.) Are you debating to dump your smokers?
4.) WOW never thought I'd do it till I seen the light at a funfly!

Such as these, all in good fun !

Im outtie, this thread is rediculous and repeating to me is as well, becoming not productive, people will love Chevy and Castle, even when they blow up.
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12-21-2010 11:34 PM  9 years ago
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But then...thanks to being called out by Aaron (No issue admitting it at all ), I think I'm being swayed more and more to Nitro.
Bob, I'm pretty sure Arron is one of those aliens you've been talking about...
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12-21-2010 11:41 PM  9 years ago
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Even the small electrics like this Protos have more power than the big nitros.

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When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-21-2010 11:51 PM  9 years ago
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OICU812,
I know what your saying but some people could care less about "lots of power" .Like you said about the new 120 motor thats coming out,I really could care less about that motor and don't see a need for it.The older OS/YS motors for the 90's have more than enough power for me,so does the OS hyper 50 and YS 50st for the 50's .I can do anything I want with them and get 8mins of flight time.
Ive flow 6 cell 50's and 12 cell 50's.The 6 cell 50's have perfect power for the first min,then there crap period.
12cell 50's have way too much power but flight time sucks.With another pinion it gets 6 mins but there SLOW.
The only bigger electric I found that I like that ive flown is the Trex 550 on 6 cells.Its pretty quick,more than enough power but still only gets 4 mins of flight time.Maybe another pinion with a 8 cell setup would get it close to 6 mins .That would be a perfect electric but then I ask myself "do I wanna drag a bunch of lipos,gen,chargers,PS's" out to fly.All I ever needed to fly any of my 50/90 size nitros was the heli,radio,starter and a gallon of fuel that already has the fuel pump on it.
Seems nitro isn't for everyone and electric isn't for everyone but each side make pointless comments to make one sound better than the other.
A buddy and I tried the pinion swap on his electric 12 cell when people told me thats what I need to do on mine.All we found out is, you get a slower heli vs faster heli,theres nothing in the middle.
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12-21-2010 11:52 PM  9 years ago
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laughingstill
Really who goes to the field and flys back to back all day every time.....nobody.
I do so speek for yourself..
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12-21-2010 11:57 PM  9 years ago
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Look at the fuel tank at the start and look at it at the end

That's the first thing I looked for. Yeah, he started with less than half a tank.

Wow though...I have a lot of reading to catch up here. Hey Chuck, which kind of popcorn do yopu recommend?
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12-21-2010 11:59 PM  9 years ago
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I didn't watch the whole Velocity 90 video as I got annoyed by the sound rather quickly. I love a nice quiet electric where I can hear the sound of the blades.
Yeah, I just had to turn my volume down...it was annoying my wife.
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12-22-2010 12:07 AM  9 years ago
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Even Neville Livingston agrees that electric is better. lol

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