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12-21-2010 01:39 AM  9 years ago
Blades345

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Stupid video posting!When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-21-2010 03:39 AM  9 years ago
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Hey...I've been tracking my engine all day and it was almost here. Then all of a sudden, it took a turn in the wrong direction. I think the aliens are up to no good again.

Blades....did you have something to do with this?

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12-21-2010 06:20 AM  9 years ago
Blades345

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HAHAHA,, like I would be worried that your nitro will even come close to beating out an electric. I don't need to side track your engine because I'm not in fear of it being that powerful. Now if you do get it up and running and for some reason you put some alien technology in it to make it run harder, then I might have to do some sabotage.When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-21-2010 10:09 AM  9 years ago
blazen

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While small electrics might be convenient, The large electrics are a whole different ball game.

Whats really ironic is all the people who left Nitro to fly electrics because they didn't like having to deal with the mess, smell and inconvenience of Nitro are now being forced to drag 1000 and 2000 watt generators to the field to fast charge the battery packs of their large powerful electrics.

Whats really funny is listening to them brag about how electrics are cleaner and not nearly as noisy as Nitro all the while their deafening generators are fumigating everyone in the pits with noxious exhaust fumes.
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12-21-2010 10:50 AM  9 years ago
philip 01

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all of the people?

if your field has power you don't need a generator.

most club fields have power.

or you can take enough packs so you won't need a charger.

rarely see a generator at the field. plug and play is nice.
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12-21-2010 12:25 PM  9 years ago
blazen

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if your field has power you don't need a generator.

most club fields have power.
Sure if you're are talking 450 size. At our site we don't have the electrical power needed to support charging large motor batteries. Last time I was at the flying site there were at least 7 people with large electrics using generators. 3 of the generators were obnoxious Harbor Freight 2 strokers

Unfortunately with the introduction of cheap high capacity high charge rate lipos big electrics are starting to become a lot more popular. There is a very large difference between charging a 3cell 2AH Lipo at 1C vs charging two 6 cell 5AH lipos at 10C. The electrical demands would be staggering for a flying field full of people charging high capacity packs at high rates.

Unless they are built next to a mini nuclear plant I don't know of many fields that have that kind of capacity. I would assume most sites might be able to get 220V 100A single phase service which would only be adequate for about 5 pilots charging large batteries at once.

Can you imagine a flying site full of pilots flying beasts like this!

Watch at YouTube

Lets look at some simplified math shall we. Assuming 100 percent efficiency in the charge system (probably closer to 60 percent) 10c charging two 6s 5Ah packs = 2220 watts 2220x5=11,100 watts.

Thats 11 frigging kilowatts of power to keep 5 pilots in the air. Things are even worse once you factor in the efficiency of the charging systems. Now lets now assume each pilot has three sets of battery's. WOW I'm not sure about you, but I sure wouldn't want that clubs electric bill after a heavy weekend of flying.

I don't know of any clubs that supply Nitro fuel free of charge to its members. Why should they supply free electricity to the electrics? It's only reasonable to ask the people flying electrics to provide their own charging power. After all why should I have to pay for the electricity needed to charge someone else's motor batteries?

Once large electrics become popular It won't be long before clubs start installing watt meters at each electrical outlets and charging members for power and I doubt it would be at cheap residential rates.
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12-21-2010 01:40 PM  9 years ago
Rogman88

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That showed good power, this shows longer flight times almost 8 minutes and this guy does about everything. Lons going to complain that it's not hard 3D and will probably turn it off before the 4 minute mark when the guy turns up the head speed and flies hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCHw...player_embedded
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12-21-2010 02:34 PM  9 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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12-21-2010 03:25 PM  9 years ago
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most club fields have power.
Wouldn't that be nice if true

Of all the club sites that I've been around to, including in Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Florida, Tennessee, Indiana, Alaska... only two or three had power on site. One of which I just moved away from

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12-21-2010 03:30 PM  9 years ago
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nitros pwn

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12-21-2010 03:45 PM  9 years ago
BobOD

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Now if you do get it up and running and for some reason you put some alien technology in it to make it run harder, then I might have to do some sabotage.
I knew it! Blades is one of them. He's one of the aliens!
Watch your backs...they're everywhere.

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12-21-2010 05:10 PM  9 years ago
Blades345

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Blazen,, I love how you make the assumption that everyone has to bring out generators. My field has electricity, so no generators for us. Its quiet except for the stupid noisy nitro helis and gas planes. Don't be so quick next time to make assumptions on how everyone conducts their business at the field, because the only thing that causes noise and fumes at our field is the nitro!When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!
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12-21-2010 05:13 PM  9 years ago
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No Generators here. Just pure unadulterated electrons on tap at a moments notice
Thats 11 frigging kilowatts of power to keep 5 pilots in the air. Things are even worse once you factor in the efficiency of the charging systems. Now lets now assume each pilot has three sets of battery's. WOW I'm not sure about you, but I sure wouldn't want that clubs electric bill after a heavy weekend of flying.
I don't know of any clubs that supply Nitro fuel free of charge to its members. Why should they supply free electricity to the electrics? It's only reasonable to ask the people flying electrics to provide their own charging power. After all why should I have to pay for the electricity needed to charge someone else's motor batteries?
We have three Trex 600's two 700E's and a couple of 450's. Most folks are charged before they get to the field and our electric bill is about 23$ a month (that's including the plankers who also have electric .46 sized planes). So no big electric 11kw issues here. The bottomline for the club is that a 5 minute flight of electrons is a tiny fraction per flight of nitro. The bulk of the expense for charging equipment is incurred by the individual flyers and not the club. So that 11kw argument is just plain...you know.
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12-21-2010 05:35 PM  9 years ago
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Not only that but sometimes and certain MANY can relate I have only time for 4-6 flights. In such case I bring hel, tx, lipos fly then go home. As I shower packs are charging and done before I dry off even ready to go. No cleaning up after flying for heli, no mess in my truck nothing. ...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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12-21-2010 05:59 PM  9 years ago
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Yup I got time for 2 today.......a quickie Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!
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12-21-2010 06:43 PM  9 years ago
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blazen, you may want to sharpen up on your math and knowledge of municipal power supply. We just put in power at my field. It is standard 120V, 200A service. So we have 24,000W (24kW) to play with. The efficiency of a typical AC -> DC power is 75%. Powerfull chargers are about 92% or better. So the efficiency is likely to be about 69%.

Now let's assume the power electric guy is parallel charging 6, 5,000mAh, 6S packs at 40A (40A max charger output of a PL8 / 6 packs = 6.7A per pack, 6.7 / 5 = 1.33C). This equals 1008W (40A * 25.2V). It is realistically the highest use you will see by a singke user with todays equipment. Although some folks like me could bring two charging station setups.

The maximum number of people charging, at the highest typical usage possible today, is 24 people (24kW / 1kW = 24). It is extremely unlikely that 24 people will be cahrging at any one time no less that each has the high powered charging system commonly available. In reality the avaergae person will charge at about 250 watts or so. Therefore, the actual max number of users is closer to 100 (24kW / 0.25kW = 96).

As for cost, we pay 6.32 cents per kWH plus a base fee of about $65. Let's assume that the electricity is used at one quarter the max capacity (24kW/4 = 6kW) for 8 hours a day every day of the month. That works out to 1,440kWH. Cost would be $158 if that much is used. Our actual bill is always the base fee plus about $10.

As you can see, even if everyone went to big electrics, the cost to the club would be minimal compared to what nitro would cost. I'd be glad to pay an extra $21 per year on membership dues ($158/month * 12months/year / 92members = $20.63) to have all the electricity I could use. Nitro used to cost me over $1,000/yr! The case for going electric is so easy to make when you put it in dollars and cents.
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12-21-2010 07:08 PM  9 years ago
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Sure if you're are talking 450 size.
large electrics. power available. no problem.

or just take charged packs. plug and play.

all of the ama fields here have power.
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12-21-2010 07:08 PM  9 years ago
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[Chuck has spilled his popcorn while reading these latest "developments" but has gone back for more...]Team Pilot for RCHeliWorkz
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12-21-2010 07:23 PM  9 years ago
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News flash, Blazen just got owned !...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...
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12-21-2010 07:52 PM  9 years ago
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Chuck is funny!!!

Obviously, one guy seems to be considering everyone is charging big packs in 20 minutes all at the same time and another is considering 1.33C bla bla bla. The latter is more likely. Key is wether or not there is electric at the field. This makes the biggest difference of course. My opinion...the best is to have electric at the field, and to have some e-helis and some nitro ones too. I like to indulge.

Here, I seem to still see more nitro but it's a little hard to tell. The nitro guys tend to hang out for the day. E-guys show up for a little bit and then leave. Again, personal preference.

I will give you this one, Blades, on the noise. The sound of nitro going all the time can get tiring I must admit. Not when you are flying so much as when you're kicking back with your friends in between. A small "quiet" generator is better in this respect.
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