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06-04-2011 06:53 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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OK you guys drive around the parking lot three times and then come back in and race again?
That is actually applicable in helis.

The electric heli is way more powerful than nitro but only for a couple minutes.

Drag racers are meant to have explosive power for a few seconds.
Helis should be able to fly a while.

An electric heli is more powerful than nitro for 90 seconds or so...Whoopdy doo.....

I just watched the Tim Jones Beast video.
Wow...crazy power and in the air for just a tic over 2 minutes.
It takes longer to load the batteries and put the canopy on than the heli can stay airborne.

Now,for the record...what stunt or trick can an electric heli do that a nitro heli can't?
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 06:58 PM  9 years ago
Band1086

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Stock 700N, to stock 700E... the nitro can stay airborne for 8 minutes, the e for 4, so you can fly with half a tank?
That's hardly fair though, because any electric 700 that only stays airborne for 4 mins is running HS quite a bit higher than the 90 glow could give. So higher HS will always win. 700E's set up at standard HS like glows, IE 1950-2000, will fly 5-6.5 mins or more depending how hard they are flown and still have better power throughout their flight.
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06-04-2011 07:10 PM  9 years ago
Band1086

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The electric heli is way more powerful than nitro but only for a couple minutes.
That vid of the E vs the 120, was a stock E with el cheapo batts? vs the best possible glow set up...there are no better glow set ups, but there are many better E setups. So, no contest, except in FT.
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06-04-2011 07:24 PM  9 years ago
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Even the best electric set up like the Beast only makes better power for a very short time.

Two and a half minutes is about all it can stay in the air.

The YS 120 will maintain 2150 RPM's the whole flight.
A 12S 700 will do the same.

So if both helis are running identical HS and neither will bog...what exactly is the extra HP good for?
The only thing the crazy extra power does is shorten the flights and kill batteries sooner.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 08:18 PM  9 years ago
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Even the best electric set up like the Beast only makes better power for a very short time.

Two and a half minutes is about all it can stay in the air.
3 1/2 mins is it's FT, I've personally see him fly it, but that still isn't very good. I personally don't think "the Beast" is the best E set up...it's too heavy for 700 sized blades, 12.5 lbs. I think. I don't mean that offensively at all, but I think it's power system would serve much better on an 800 size machine that would carry the extra weight better and 2000 HS...probably get better FT too. It seems a good range for 3D on 700's is about 10-11.5 max(11.5 is pushing it). They just aren't agile enough, no matter how much power they have more than that. Just my opinion though.
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06-04-2011 08:34 PM  9 years ago
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I ask you, anyone who has seen a drag race, how many times have they taken the cars out after the race and said, OK you guys drive around the parking lot three times and then come back in and race again?
I haven't read too many of the latest posts as if the wifey catches me here....I'm in for for a beating. But this one was short and sweet.

I just want to make sure everybody knows, this isn't a "Which is better at drag racing" thread.

I assume most sensible people know that but seems some don't. Nitro is the Indy 500 and e's are the drag racers. In fact, I have seen electric drag racers. I've never seen an electric Indy 500 though. Easy to do for short duration. More challenging to get something to last I suppose.
And more exciting...drag racing bores me to tears.
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06-04-2011 08:48 PM  9 years ago
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That is actually applicable in helis.

The electric heli is way more powerful than nitro but only for a couple minutes.

Drag racers are meant to have explosive power for a few seconds.
Helis should be able to fly a while.

An electric heli is more powerful than nitro for 90 seconds or so...Whoopdy doo.....

I just watched the Tim Jones Beast video.
Wow...crazy power and in the air for just a tic over 2 minutes.
It takes longer to load the batteries and put the canopy on than the heli can stay airborne.

Now,for the record...what stunt or trick can an electric heli do that a nitro heli can't?
Make it to 500 feet in 3.5 seconds?

I just want to make sure everybody knows, this isn't a "Which is better at drag racing" thread.
But it is one of the aspects of the E vs n thread. And was the name of the video, so warrants at least a couple of pages of dispute, discussion, debate, and what ever else we get up to!

So thanks for your input, but you better get back to that Honey doo list!
Bye bye now

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06-04-2011 09:29 PM  9 years ago
snjbird

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And just so we understand each other, I can conceit that a Nitro is better for an even power run, over a longer flight time, and they are in no way "under powered"
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06-04-2011 09:42 PM  9 years ago
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LOL.

Only a few pages? You're too kind.

I asked the wife to get me some beer. Now if only there was a shoe store on her way, I'd have a couple hours. She'll find something.

Anyway, carry on...I really just wanted to point out how easy it is to make something that only lasts a short time and how much more difficult it was to make something that lasts.

I did search for some electric formula racers. I found this. I guess they are still working on it...but must be finding it difficult. Not all that impressive.

"Able to go from 0 to 62 miles per hour in a stunning three seconds flat, the EF01 has a top speed of 162 miles per hour.

At this point, the EF01 is one of the fastest electric cars on the planet.
"
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06-04-2011 09:45 PM  9 years ago
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And just so we understand each other, I can conceit that a Nitro is better for an even power run, over a longer flight time, and they are in no way "under powered"
Hey man...that is NOt in the spirit of this thread!
You have to pick just one and fight tooth and nail...till death. Even if you like both.

Right Roq? BTW, how's the electric spoon comming along?
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06-04-2011 10:10 PM  9 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Using your logic,the battery power is not stronger..just lighter.
Not hardly, the battery just IS more powerful..
Two and a half minutes is about all it can stay in the air.
Are you just making stuff up now???? I was at the Orlando Funfly and saw it in person.....that simply is not true.
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06-04-2011 10:12 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Now,for the record...what stunt or trick can an electric heli do that a nitro heli can't?

Make it to 500 feet in 3.5 seconds?
It can do it 4 seconds though and do it over and over and over for a long time.
As a matter of fact,each climb out will be a little faster than the last while the electric heli will do ONE 500 foot climb in 3.5 seconds and every attempt after the first will be a little slower until it can't even match the nitros slowest climb.
Then the electric have to limp back to the flight line,barely keeping its skids out of the grass while the nitro does about 75 more 4 second climbs
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 10:19 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Are you just making stuff up now???? I was at the Orlando Funfly and saw it in person.....that simply is not true.
My mistake.
Three and a half minutes
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 11:18 PM  9 years ago
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It can do it 4 seconds though and do it over and over and over for a long time.
As a matter of fact,each climb out will be a little faster than the last while the electric heli will do ONE 500 foot climb in 3.5 seconds and every attempt after the first will be a little slower until it can't even match the nitros slowest climb.
Then the electric have to limp back to the flight line,barely keeping its skids out of the grass while the nitro does about 75 more 4 second climbs
No it can't! The 120 powered nitro can make it to 500 feet in about 7 seconds, the stock 700E made it there is 5.5, the Beast will make it there in 3.5! How fast will that .91 HZ or YS .91SR make make it there to 500 feet?

I'll give you 120 fans one thing, the nitro sure came down a lot faster
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06-04-2011 11:22 PM  9 years ago
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You all just making up numbers or did someone measure?Team POP Secret
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06-04-2011 11:49 PM  9 years ago
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Just a little stir...

here is the spoon back!
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06-04-2011 11:58 PM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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How fast will that .91 HZ or YS .91SR make make it there to 500 feet?
Who cares?
Where's the fun in punch outs?
Clown boy can do that

...and make make???
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-05-2011 12:53 AM  9 years ago
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Clown boy can do that
No he can't!

Seriously, you nitro guys are funny if you think nitro is even close in power to electric. Even flight time is debatable. My POS T-Rex 600N with a little OS 50 only gets 6 minutes and 20 seconds of hard punishment. I don't use a fuel magnet, so a tiny bit is left in the tank, just like 20% is left in my batteries.

My Logo 600 gets 7 minutes and 30 seconds at 2100 HS and 7' 15" at 2200 HS. So I get more power, by far, and longer flight time with electric. This is an apples to apples comparison. Both use 610 mm Rotortech blades and are flying the same routine.

Nitro is just inferior, plain and simple, when it come to performance.
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06-05-2011 12:53 AM  9 years ago
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Did you say "who cares?" Well we care Ed! Bob claims he has a ringer with his .91 powered 600! "We care", I want to see it! Clown boast his novi notty will take down some e helis, and we don't want none of that! "We care!" Lon is happy to fly his nitro and play on both sides of the n vs E thread, I think so anyway! I mean heck he threw us into a 4 page sideline on 6S vs HV! "We cared!" But you come along spout your opinion, then say "who cares?"??? Why... "we care" Ed! You don't see me saying well helI I have 5 packs for my Logo, 2500 watts of charging station, and a 2150watt Genny ready to power it all! So "who cares" if a nitro gets 2 extra minutes of slightly less powered flight time? I just land and put a new pack on, and I'm off for another 6:30 of 3D fun, and 2 minutes of auto training!

Come on Ed, I know you can do better than that! "who cares" that's like a kid in the playground saying... " I know you are, but what am I?"
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06-05-2011 01:26 AM  9 years ago
McKrackin

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Did you say "who cares?" Well we care Ed! Bob claims he has a ringer with his .91 powered 600! "We care", I want to see it! Clown boast his novi notty will take down some e helis, and we don't want none of that! "We care!" Lon is happy to fly his nitro and play on both sides of the n vs E thread, I think so anyway! I mean heck he threw us into a 4 page sideline on 6S vs HV! "We cared!" But you come along spout your opinion, then say "who cares?"??? Why... "we care" Ed! You don't see me saying well helI I have 5 packs for my Logo, 2500 watts of charging station, and a 2150watt Genny ready to power it all! So "who cares" if a nitro gets 2 extra minutes of slightly less powered flight time? I just land and put a new pack on, and I'm off for another 6:30 of 3D fun, and 2 minutes of auto training!

Come on Ed, I know you can do better than that! "who cares" that's like a kid in the playground saying... " I know you are, but what am I?"
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