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06-04-2011 01:56 AM  8 years ago
zoot408

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Tim Jones and the Beast
Here is the Beast, also shot yesterday. Seriously crazy x2. Gotta say, I love'em both!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2M6WYQZlA4
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06-04-2011 02:25 AM  8 years ago
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Dang it...time for a bigger Nitro!

Was only 2.5 minutes though. But, I admit, I would love to fly it.
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06-04-2011 02:50 AM  8 years ago
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average flight time is 6:15 @2150rpm
Tim, I would love to see the 120 geared to run 2400 HS. Can you do that experiment?
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06-04-2011 03:20 AM  8 years ago
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Hey band, wouldn't 2400 on a 700e require quite a bit more than stock?

Why would you want to compare that to a 700 with a stock YS120 in it?

Just a little prediction on my part. Hee hee

Tim, if you're still paying any attention on all this, great job you guys are doing. Might be just the ticket to get me to finish my 700. It's a 700N converted to e at the moment. I just haven't had the motivation to set it up.
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06-04-2011 05:07 AM  8 years ago
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Okay...
I'm going to have to "jump in here" I guess. Regarding a few pages back. Lon or BladeStrikes or whoever. I have NEVER heard a more powerful setup on a 600 sized heli than Rogman88s...PERIOD! You have to see it and perhaps more importantly actually HEAR IT! If so, you'd see what we mean. And, to me, with his new packs (which ARE Turnigys by the way), there wasn't any significant drop in RPMs that I could tell during the entire 4+ minute flight. Just wanted to "drop in my two copper Lincolns" worth here.

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06-04-2011 05:18 AM  8 years ago
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I really don't care and I already told him over 5 time's that the 2nd video didn't bog but I guess he has a hard time reading.So yeah Chuck,ChuckJrster or whatever,I don't care and done talking about it..
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06-04-2011 06:28 AM  8 years ago
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Well that's a big 10-4 good buddy!
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06-04-2011 07:33 AM  8 years ago
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I'm curious....Which came first...Electric or internal combustion?

I think it was electric.

Even though electric came first by decades,it's just barely in the lead and only by a few seconds.

EP is the bomb for 60-90 seconds.

I still wanna see a nitro set up for a 3-4 minute flight run against an electric heli.

Nitro gets stronger and faster as it runs.
Electric is dieing and slowing from the moment it starts.

Do the drag race with the nitro leaned out and carrying 1/3 of a tank.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 11:57 AM  8 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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Do the drag race with the nitro leaned out and carrying 1/3 of a tank.
So we want to aid the weaker nitro as much as possible by making it lighter????
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06-04-2011 01:05 PM  8 years ago
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So what have we got from this post.

The YS120 is powerful and will make nitro mfg's rich

Lon's happy with nitros (Ill just speak towards the OS55) since they have ENOUGH power to do what ever he needs and for the most part accommodate everyone. Oh and they get good flight times too...

Electrics for the 1 trillionth time will smoke a nitro(no pun intended) in every category but flight time. Note, the avg is around 4-6 mins of beating it Lon style with out over discharging the packs. A Logo 600 with 10s 5AH packs can easily achieve the 6 min 3D mark. The 4-4.5 min mark is typically a 50 sized 6s machine with good packs.
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06-04-2011 03:56 PM  8 years ago
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Yup that pretty much covers it
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06-04-2011 04:33 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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A Logo 600 with 10s 5AH packs can easily achieve the 6 min 3D mark.
Mmmmm...keep the info comming. The extra weight of all that sure puts my Logo well above my T600 91. Makes me start to wonder if changing the 91 to a 120 would be viable.
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06-04-2011 05:21 PM  8 years ago
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A 91 is enough!

If you want to do something worth while do this. Take a 90 size boom and TT and cut them down some to accommodate 630mm blades on your 600 with 97mm tail blades

The 630 blades make a huge diff on how the heli flys...it will be more 90 like. THe SWE 630's are pretty good.

From there put a good FBL system on it, the 750 with the piro comp is a great deal!

At that point you will really unlock power out of your heli

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06-04-2011 05:36 PM  8 years ago
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So we want to aid the weaker nitro as much as possible by making it lighter????
It isn't weaker at that weight.
It isn't really cheating either since it will run the same amount of time as a battery powered heli on a third of a tank.

Set them both up for identical flight times and they will be pretty much equal.

Even Tim Jones spoke to that.
EP was way more powerful out of the gate but after one minute in the air EP was still stronger but barely and after two minutes the nitro started gaining the edge.
After four minutes the nitro is clearly more powerful and after five minutes the power belongs solely to the only heli still flying.

EP is losing power from the moment you put in the batteries and nitro gets stronger,lighter and faster throughout the whole flight.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 05:38 PM  8 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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After four minutes the nitro is clearly more powerful and after five minutes the power belongs solely to the only heli still flying.
The nitro is not getting more powerful, it is getting LIGHTER so the power to weight ratio is getting better.
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06-04-2011 05:48 PM  8 years ago
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The nitro is not getting more powerful, it is getting LIGHTER so the power to weight ratio is getting better.
Using your logic,the battery power is not stronger..just lighter.

Better power to weight ratio.

Putting more than four minutes worth of fuel in a nitro is a choice.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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06-04-2011 06:15 PM  8 years ago
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Yes and no.You jam the stick's all over the place,I pretty much do it in one spot .My point was my 6S setup hold's power just as good which it does.
Pampering the collective and flying in slow motion compared to a heli flying all over isn't a good comparison for stating a 6S system holds power just as well when comparing helis in two vids. Hence the mule analogy. Once again, another misrepresentation of the information.

Oh but wait...you were comparing a 6S setup with good batteries that have less than 50 cycles to a 12S with cheap old batteries that had almost 160 cycles right? Who in the heck would do that? But wait...you actually did say the second video which had good batteries, so did you actually fairly compare two setups? I'm so confused! Dang you Lon for being so confusing!!!

I will give you this. Your 6S vid and your nitro vid did have better performance than the weak pack vid I posted as my comparative nitro vid if that's what you meant...

And yes I do have issues with people being dishonest.
High Voltage just works better
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06-04-2011 06:31 PM  8 years ago
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On Electric, if I have 6S I start out with about 7S power and end up with 6S power.
If I have 10S, I start out with about 12S power and end up with 10S power.
If I have 12S, I start out with about 14S power and end up with 12S power.
If I have 14S, I start out with about 16S power and end up with 14S power.
If I have 18S....well you get the point.
At the end of the flights they still have significantly more power than a comparable glow. Just not quite as long......yet.
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06-04-2011 06:37 PM  8 years ago
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So why don't we take Ed's "stock" 700 and do the drag race again, and see how close of a race it is? Stock 700N, to stock 700E... the nitro can stay airborne for 8 minutes, the e for 4, so you can fly with half a tank?

Here is the deal.... THERE IS NO WAY TO SET A NITRO UP TO COMPETE WITH THE FULL RAW POWER OF A ELECTRIC! Yet you can "dumb down" an E to perform more like a nitro, and get 2/3s the flight time. So yes a stock 700N is the clear winner in FT and has more power than 92.6% of us will ever need! PROVED! A 700E is overpowered to the point that it is wasteful how fast it uses it's energy, and falls clearly into the overkill category!

But YS has produced the 120, the most powerful IC engine you can fit in a 700, and, in a RAW POWER TEST, it lost. maybe it is time to stop flailing around justifying your choice. I can respect you guys, you like your ICE, I like them too! But I can see that E power is clearly the choice if I want raw power, that I will probably never have the skill to use
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06-04-2011 06:45 PM  8 years ago
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I ask you, anyone who has seen a drag race, how many times have they taken the cars out after the race and said, OK you guys drive around the parking lot three times and then come back in and race again?
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