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06-01-2011 08:54 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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Just to quote someone who I feel has a valuable opinion.
Tim Jones
At the 2 minute mark, the E and the N were just about dead even with the edge going to nitro. What would the race look like at minute 3 and 4? Come on electric fans lets be honest here.
Now, I happen to suspect that a 91 powered 600 has a higher power to weight than a 120 powered 700. NOTE...only suspect...I do not have any data and don't really care. I like 600's. All I really care about is that I have something in the ballpark with the norm as far as e-power but with a whole lot more duration.

So, sorry, I'm still not being convinced.
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06-01-2011 09:03 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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I'd like to see that!
If seeing all the above doesn't convince you, seeing mine will not. You'll only look for areas that are different and try to turn some new measure into the all important. Something that can ALWAYS be done. Even I, with all the evidence, would not have understood until I built and flew my own.
Besides, I'm not trying to convince anyone anyway. I like both. Seems you guys are trying to convince me I should not. Some of you anyway. And I say go ahead...try to convince me. I do not mind that. But so far, most is driving me the other way. I need more substance I guess.
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06-01-2011 09:16 PM  8 years ago
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If seeing all the above doesn't convince you
I haven't seen your nitro compete with your logo. If it does, then that's one bad heli and I would gain much pleasure watching it do that, just as I've enjoyed watching Bert and Matt Botos spanking high powered .55 hypers in 600 sized helis.

My Logo is so much more powerful than my comparable Trex 600 ESP that it's insane. So if any nitro heli can compete with a Logo, it's gonna be something to watch!

I know we've given Lon grief about wanting to see other's vids, but I'm with him on this one. Let's see it!
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06-02-2011 12:38 AM  8 years ago
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OH yeah, I noticed something else. Since I've been flying Nitro, I don't need to take my Viagra anymore.

Nitro RULEZ.
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06-02-2011 02:51 AM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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but I'm with him on this one. Let's see it!
I don't need to take my Viagra anymore.
Nah, don't want to see that...
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06-02-2011 03:23 AM  8 years ago
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Can't blame you there...besides, the wife would break the camera over my head. Team POP Secret
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06-02-2011 04:20 AM  8 years ago
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spanking high powered .55 hypers in 600 sized helis.
Unfortunately, I had a YS50 in my T600 prior to putting the 91 in so I can't really speak for the 55's although I have seen them being flown and they do seem to run more powerfully than the 50. And same duration so the efficiency must be a little better somehow. Anyway, regarding the 50, I was impressed with the flight time and happy with the power but....OH MY GOD!!!...I would never, ever have said it could have beat out my Logo in raw power. Pretty sure I didn't. Don't remember anyone saying such a thing in fact. I can certainly understand hysteria to a comment such as that. But, you guys seem to act as we are saying something like that. NOT!
What I didn't understand all along was how anyone couldn't appreciate the duration and impressive show a good pilot could put on with one. That's all.

With a 91, it's a new ballgame. Seriously, I'll see about putting a vid together but I have zero interest in any kind of contest. Heck, as a pilot, there's no way I could compete with Tim Jones so if those videos haven't gotten you thinking, trust me, video of mine wouldn't either.
I can't imagine even a Nitro hater wouldn't raise an eyebrow at least...honestly....but whatever.
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06-02-2011 04:39 AM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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Heck Bob all you gotta do is go out there and do some pitch pumps and some loops to demonstrate the power of the .90 in the 600. You don't have to be Tim Jones for Petes' sake.

Anyway uploading a vid of flying my Logo with a pair of 1.5 year old turnigy 40C 3A packs that have 159 flights on them(to compare to a nitro flight) verses a newer pair of turnigy 40C 3A packs. Yes I can do all the same stuff with collective management and the lower head speed and voltage sag but it is so much more impressive with 2200 rpm and stick banging! This is why I love the power of electric!
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06-02-2011 04:43 AM  8 years ago
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Rog,

Please let 'em know on here (if they don't already) what power plant system you've got in that bird! See, next heli I get (if I ever do) will have the same system in it!
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06-02-2011 05:10 AM  8 years ago
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Hey! It's Chuck the O.B. popcorn dude.
I just wanted to say hello before 50 more pages blasted by.

Hey Rog, I'll try but it'll be a couple weeks. I flew 5 gallons last couple weekends so the next couple of weeks are honey do's. On'y 50-60 pages from now...so not long.

In the meantime, take your favorite e-vid, turn the volume down and pretend there's smoke. Like that...it'll do it. Only one thing, you hear the blades a lot more than a typical Nitro. But, close enough.
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06-02-2011 05:43 AM  8 years ago
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Oh yeah, someone asked about my Logo 600 setup. Scorp 4035-630, Hyperion ex 45/90c 5s 4400 x 2, Jive. 3750gTeam POP Secret
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06-02-2011 12:19 PM  8 years ago
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I would like to see video of this "big block" 600 too!
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06-02-2011 12:34 PM  8 years ago
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Ok, here's my nitro equivalent vid using some 1.5 year old Turnigy 3A 40C packs (IR of 11). Notice the heli is slow, tic tocs kind of lower the head speed some but can still be done slowly if I don't hammer the collective.

Watch at YouTube

This is the next flight with good batteries. Turnigy 3A 40C with 20 cycles and IR of 4. Same idleup at 85% with CC gov. The heli just moves around a lot faster, the blades pop around and it's just funner. Of coarse it makes me more nervous and I come down shaking from adrenaline and my feet hurt from grabbing the ground, my sphincter hurts from being able to vice grip and make diamonds from coal.
Oh and I borrowed a move from SNJbird at 2:30. I like it.

Watch at YouTube

I know Lon's point is that better collective management should be used and we should rely less on raw power, but dang it, raw power is just funner!
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06-02-2011 12:58 PM  8 years ago
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I can hammer mine and it doesn't bog like your's Rog in the first video..
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06-02-2011 01:33 PM  8 years ago
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Rog's heli is a more powerful heli than yours Lon and you can indeed see it in that vid. The second one anyway. And, of course I would never say power is not important...it is an important measure. But, it's a tradeoff no matter what you're flying. Lons flights are quite a bit longer and the way he flys he doesn't really look like he's in need of more power. See? A matter of preference.

Of course, having both is having the best of both worlds. Then, having a well powered Nitro gives a whole new experience again.

Rog, what are you running there...about 22-2300RPM? What packs?
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06-02-2011 02:00 PM  8 years ago
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Bob,
I know what mean but im saying that the first video bog's alot,my 600N doesn't bog like that..As for the 2nd video,it's really good and I wanna use it as a example next to my 6S setup that Band tried saying is underpowered so don't take it the wrong way Rog.Watch the 2nd video that Rog posted then watch this one .

Watch at YouTube

You can clearly hear the 12S setup loosing RPM when loaded while the 6S setup keep's a consistant 2250rpm through the whole 4min flight,might loose 50rpm ..

Nope,
Not in need of anymore power on the nitro and it has more than enough for anyone as long as they know how to tune a motor .If my electric was that much better and had good flight time,I would still have it and not the nitro.Look at the video's posted,after 4min's their spent.Once I do what I plan with the 600N,i'll start working on a 700E ..
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06-02-2011 02:56 PM  8 years ago
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You can clearly hear the 12S setup loosing RPM when loaded while the 6S setup keep's a consistant 2250rpm through the whole 4min flight
Are you saying that you were loading your 6S as much as I was loading my 12S? I have a feeling that I know what Bands' rebutle is going to be.

Two different flight styles.
Lon's much better collective management, doesn't hold hard collective long enough to bog the system, more technical, slower, more precise and deliberate.
Rog's all over the place, hammering the collective and holding for longer periods of time (enough to really load the disk), heli moving at a much, much faster pace thus loading the system a lot more, less precise and basically looks like crap, but really fast crap so that's fairly impressive in itself.

Bob I updated the previous post with battery info.
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06-02-2011 03:03 PM  8 years ago
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Rog, what are you running there...about 22-2300RPM? What packs?
The crappy castle governor says 2150. I can't use set rpm mode because it will only turn 1600 or so. I don't know what the problem is. Anyway I have it at governor high, gain high and the calculations are 2150. My buds at the field as well as myself think it's turning higher. I really need a good tach reading though. I've got a nitro plank tach that I was thinking about setting up on a stand and having it read up through the blades. Don't know if it will work though...

Hey Bob what pinion are you using on the 630kv? I'm running 12T (maybe 13T can't remember) on mine and that's putting me up there in rpm. Your's must have 11T or something and getting insane speeds.
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06-02-2011 05:11 PM  8 years ago
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Are you saying that you were loading your 6S as much as I was loading my 12S?
Not at all.

He is saying that physics and electrical engineering are of no value, and that a 6S power system drawing 60 amps is clearly more efficient than a 12S power system drawing 30 amps for the same loading.

We'll call it Lon math. If you don't agree with Lon then you can't do the math.
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06-02-2011 05:20 PM  8 years ago
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Somethings bugging me. Naked Painter are you really a painter? And if so, are you really n...never mind. Some things I really just don't want to know...like Bob and his viagra.High Voltage just works better
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