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05-12-2011 05:43 PM  7 years agoPost 4401
Rogman88

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Wow Omni! That thing looks to have as much power as 80% of the nitro vids we've seen posted on here! If I wanted longer flight times or didn't have electricity at my field, I'd say forget nitro and get a high powered gasser! What does one of those kits/motors cost?

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05-12-2011 05:44 PM  7 years agoPost 4402
turboomni

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Well I read the description and it is only running 1800 headspeed @11500 motor rpm. The gear ratio stated 6.4 to 1. Most guys run 7 to 1 area which works very well and better than the 6.4. There are other vids out there with higher headspeed and abit more pop. I just grabbed this one for you because of the decent vid quality. But the vid will give you a general idea of how gasser's have improved compared to a few years ago.
Also with Flybarless they are abit more powerful I hear.

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05-12-2011 06:02 PM  7 years agoPost 4403
turboomni

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Well I dont fly mine like that lol!! But just to show they are not boats in the sky anymore. It's just the guys that fly them like boats [me ] make them look like that lol!!!

Prices are comparable to a 90 nitro . My Min Air Spectra was 1000.00 bucks with all metal head and all carbon. The Radical shown is about 7 to 800 bucks I think. A modified motor is around 500 [including a new motor] plus all the extra electronic stuff needed in all nitro+Lipo heli's. Many guys including me run a Jewel Generator to power the electronics and only use a 4 cell AA sized NMH 1800 mah battery as backup. No charging required all day ,just gas and go.
I'm glad you liked it Roggman.

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05-12-2011 06:14 PM  7 years agoPost 4404
BobOD

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Per Band's statement, you gotta know that a heavy gasser running 13-1400 RPM is going to be averaging more power than an electric at 1000 rpm. Yeah, OK, the electric can do some bigger bursts maybe.
Hey wait a minute. You guys were trying to trick me again.

Please don't bother arguing that. It is baseless...I have not enough experience or thought into it. I'm just busting chops this time.

On a more serious note though, I just have a feeling a gasser would be much more interesting to me for this kind of flying. If for no other reason than I know if I showed up at the field with a nice chrome air filter housing mounted to my Logo, the laughter would drown out the sound of all the Nitros.

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05-12-2011 06:25 PM  7 years agoPost 4405
rexxigpilot

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Please don't bother arguing that. It is baseless...I have not enough experience or thought into it. I'm just busting chops this time.
Bob, I suggest that if you can't take it, don't dish it out!
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OH come on Rex...a little harsh don't you think?

You really think it is a stretch of physics to say that the potential electrical energy storage is 160 mah/g and we only get to utilize relatively small percentage of that? If I am wrong, please correct me, don't just throw out a big insult directed straight at me with nothing but minor argumentitives to back it up.
I was just busting your chops.

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05-12-2011 06:38 PM  7 years agoPost 4406
BobOD

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I figured that man...just playing the part.

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05-12-2011 06:40 PM  7 years agoPost 4407
BobOD

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Hey, I saw Chuck the Orville Bredenbucker popcorn dude pop in a bit ago. Flew by so fast I didn't get a chance to say HEY.

Good popcorn material Chuck?

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05-12-2011 07:04 PM  7 years agoPost 4408
Rogman88

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Flew by so fast I didn't get a chance to say HEY
Must have been flying by on electric power...

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05-12-2011 08:41 PM  7 years agoPost 4409
OICU812

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Turbo that was an impressive gasser vid no smoke it amused me more then the latest nitro vids for sure.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-12-2011 09:27 PM  7 years agoPost 4410
Ravenhyper50

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Here is another

Watch at YouTube

I almost got one last year but, I hate century!

The whiplash looks promising though from Min air, looking forward to its release.

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05-12-2011 09:33 PM  7 years agoPost 4411
Ravenhyper50

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I was thinking of a gasser with this toxic engine at the time

Watch at YouTube

Can't wait to see the newer modified 30cc in a whiplash!

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05-12-2011 09:41 PM  7 years agoPost 4412
Rogman88

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It is starting to look like gassers are making strides like the electrics. If they can shed some more weight, I can see then throwing down some smack in the not too distant future. I remember seeing a plank gas engine from OS in a tower hobbies mag. It was molded along the same lines as the nitro engines and looks to be lean and mean. If OS can come out with a gasser heli engine that is light and ported aggressively, I bet that would open a new door to gasser fun.

Right now it seems as though there's no real gasser motors that don't need mods to perform for aggressive 3D? Turbo can tell us I bet.

Is the Whiplash going to be a dedicated gasser frame or going to need mods?

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05-12-2011 10:45 PM  7 years agoPost 4413
turboomni

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It's funny gassers are still rather unknown to many in the heli community. I'm glad I mentioned them here for you guys. Even if you don't want one at least you are updated on their progress.
I am not a Century guy either,not because I owned one ,,never have,,I just knew for me Miniature Aircraft was the way to go.
My first Gasser was the Min Air 1005 which was made before the Spectra which I am building now. I bought the 1005 used and gave the serial # to Min Air ,. They looked it up and told me the kit was made in 1995. She's still going strong!
Motors. I hear you can use a stock Zenoah 231 puh. They can be good I hear, but I have never run one. Toxic ,Hanson are the two most popular modifiers with another with Wally being tested with good results at the moment.
I run a Hanson and frankly If you want 3D ,get it modified.
The Whiplash shares I believe some parts with other new Min Air products but there will be a dedicated Gasser kit I believe.
Motors need care at breaking in . Tuning a gasser is where many get in trouble and burn them up. They are much different to tune than a nitro and knowing how to tune a nitro well will not help you and maybe hurt you. When broken in and run correctly a gas motor will run many many,Many, more hours than a nitro before rebuilding.
There are some real gasser experts in the gasser forum and Century and MinAir forums here.
Any other questions you have I will try and answer and if I dont know the answer ,I'll find out for you.

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05-12-2011 10:51 PM  7 years agoPost 4414
turboomni

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I forgot to say that some are using the RC format gas motors now with huge cooling fans but I know very little about them.
Also many are have great success with the Helibug conversions of Align 600 and 700 nitro models to gassers.

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05-12-2011 11:20 PM  7 years agoPost 4415
BobOD

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Wait a minute. I thought someone said IC's haven't improved in 60 years. But the Nitros have and now the gassers clearly have. I'm confused.

Oh, wait a minute...you guys tricked me again.

Heh heh

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05-12-2011 11:39 PM  7 years agoPost 4416
BladeStrikes

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05-12-2011 11:53 PM  7 years agoPost 4417
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05-13-2011 02:08 AM  7 years agoPost 4418
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Is the Whiplash going to be a dedicated Gasser frame or going to need mods?
Modified RC gas engine dedicated!

Raven

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05-13-2011 03:41 AM  7 years agoPost 4419
turboomni

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I was looking for that pic here on Runryder to post here,,thanks for finding it Raven.
The motor in the pic is a RC type motor with the big cooling fan. The newest thing for Gassers.
I believe the HeliBug conversions also use that motor.
Take a look at that Massive clutch bell..made to take some torque!!!!
I'm looking forward to see the MinAir fly!

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05-13-2011 05:11 AM  7 years agoPost 4420
BobOD

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Don't those e motors have 6mm shafts in them?
My 90 nitro has an 8mm shaft.
Just another little observation.

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