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05-12-2011 02:41 AM  7 years agoPost 4381
JOLT

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Deep breaths.........

Winner: ELECTRIC

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05-12-2011 02:50 AM  7 years agoPost 4382
Rogman88

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SNJ is this at 1900 rpm with 4A batteries? Nice smooth almost 8 minute flight nitro guys. He starts to open it up towards the end too...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8bn...o&feature=feedu

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05-12-2011 02:54 AM  7 years agoPost 4383
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I'm still LOL @ Rog pointing out Bobs tuitty fruity comment!
Me too actually. Yeah yeah, I walk straight into it sometimes. LOL

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05-12-2011 03:17 AM  7 years agoPost 4384
BobOD

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So he tends to make stuff up and stretch the laws of physics at will.
OH come on Rex...a little harsh don't you think?

You really think it is a stretch of physics to say that the potential electrical energy storage is 160 mah/g and we only get to utilize relatively small percentage of that? If I am wrong, please correct me, don't just throw out a big insult directed straight at me with nothing but minor argumentitives to back it up.

And regarding the tank weight, the whole heli is similar between the two. And, even you compared the chemical energy of the fuel to shaft out. So I compare amount of electrons that could be stored to shaft out. Weak argument anyhow. Note that I discussed electric and did not make the comparison to Nitro. You guys did. So, who is being insecure here?

Note I stated my main point was that it was NOT really relavent...no more so than pointing out the eff of power storage versus eff of power generation. Remember that tidbit?

More to the point, it is one of the inefficiencies that e-guys did not seem aware of. And, apparently do not want to be aware of.

And, BTW, it is something to be concerned with here because it has EVERYTHING to do with making e beat N ...duration.

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05-12-2011 03:57 AM  7 years agoPost 4385
turboomni

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Interesting stuff here for sure but I will stick with Gassers for now at least until the dust settles! I'll check back from time to time.
Have fun guys!

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05-12-2011 04:34 AM  7 years agoPost 4386
BobOD

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Actually, I have never had a gasser....but am intrigued. Heck, if I had an "e" plus an "N" plus a "g", that would even more thoroughly cover the spectrum that having only one CANNOT. Turbine after that.

Bob

PS: I'm not sure if that should be a "g" or a "G". No ruling by the scientific community like there is for "N" and "e". I guess I'll have to get one to find out. Any recommendations where one would start? I'm thinking a twin anything would blow me away for cool factor.
Please...no vids of a gasser lumbering around. I'm not interested in power on this one...I got the "N" for that.

Highlight away Rog.

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05-12-2011 05:13 AM  7 years agoPost 4387
turboomni

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Gassers are abit like sailing in the heli world. Very beautiful at a slower pace so you can think and relax and focus on your flying for a very long time per tank. More weight gives you more inertia to do big moves and do it for far longer than either nitro or electric. Gassers have a Ballet quality in the air ,,big graceful moves That I really love. I do love my gassers and gassers saved me from giving up on RC heli's . I started Pattern Planks in the 1980's and love the grace of the planes. Flying a heli like you hate it is impressive for a few minutes at inches off the ground,,but after a few minutes I am bored.
Anyone watch the FAI competition here on Runryder? For Slam Bam Squirt guys it is boring but I find it fascinating. The precision of seemingly easy moves that most think they can do but reality can't is amazing,,including especially me. I know I am in the Minority,,that is fine.
Collective Management Required,,batteries and Nitro NOT included!!

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05-12-2011 05:29 AM  7 years agoPost 4388
OICU812

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Yup as Jolt points out when one of the longest term Nitro motor makers is now debuting "electric" motors they know where the interest and future is for sure.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-12-2011 05:42 AM  7 years agoPost 4389
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turboomni;

You can do all that with E's also and at the same HS as the gasser(with good flight time), only with more power, except with an E, set up right, you can flip a switch and go up to 2000 HS or whatever you want. So, in short, E gives the best of both worlds, in a cleaner, smoother, quieter package!

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05-12-2011 05:45 AM  7 years agoPost 4390
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I know I am in the Minority,,that is fine.
Minority or less outspoken...I'm not really sure? Hard to tell for obvious reasons.

Me?...I love both styles. And a pilot who is truely good at one is rarely as good as the other....at the other. And it goes both ways. Hmmm...kinda like N and e.

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05-12-2011 05:48 AM  7 years agoPost 4391
Band1086

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You mean E & n!

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05-12-2011 05:56 AM  7 years agoPost 4392
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Dang man...are you obsessed or what Band?
Not calling you out so don't take it that way. All friendly here.

But come on...you are not saying that e could do a 30 min flight at the same power level that a gasser could are you. OK, I'm a nube when it comes to gassers but there are two things I beleive to be true. Gas has a lot more energy density than Nitro and a little more efficiency on top of that. So, if e doesn't beat N for power at 8 min (my evidence....my challenge not met), how on earth do you extrapolate that to 30 minutes? Gas is very limited to power to weight for very well understood reasons. But, energy density is something you will not be able to touch my friend. Comming from a nube...yes, I admit, but I'll put my bet on 30 min gas over 30 min electric any day.

How close am I Turbo?

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05-12-2011 06:14 AM  7 years agoPost 4393
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I had an X-cell gasser, so I know what they fly like. In order to get 30 mins on E's you'd have to be at 1000HS, and the gassers run more like 1300-1500, at least mine did, and it was fairly heavy. If someone had a LG600SE with Jive ESC on it, it could be dialed down to gasser HS for long FT's in IU-1, then turned up to 1900 in IU-2 for fast flying.
Dang man...are you obsessed or what Band?
No more than you, Bob...

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05-12-2011 06:24 AM  7 years agoPost 4394
OICU812

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Bob georges video of his 600SE was well over 30 minutes and was surely gasser power and then some...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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05-12-2011 07:16 AM  7 years agoPost 4395
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No more than you, Bob...
Touche'

All in good spirit man.

Shawn,can you point me to that vid?

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05-12-2011 07:18 AM  7 years agoPost 4396
BobOD

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Seriously, Shawn, we keep drawing you back.

It's awsome man. Hey...can't fly at 2AM eh?

Well, OK...you could...but on a work night?

We're all nuts man!

Look at ROG. zzzzzzzz

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05-12-2011 02:34 PM  7 years agoPost 4397
Rogman88

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Ok gassers are heavy and run a low RPM. My theory is take a logo 600 and stick a pair of 5000 mah batteries in there, drop the rpm to 1500, 1600 whatever and fly around gasser style. FAI moves aren't usually collective heavy and can be pampered to not strain the system too much. I'd bet 15 minutes wouldn't be a far stretch to fly mild 3D, and FAI. I personally have no desire to fly like that, but was thinking about doing a slow duration flight of 8 minutes doing some easy stuff just to throw it into the mix here when my 3.6A batteries come in. I may set it at 1700 in idlup 1 and see what I can get.
Look at ROG
Rise Off Grass?

I remember back during the brushed motor/nicad days that it was a big thing for an electric to ROG, but with new technology, most electric planks can ROH, or Rise Off Hand. Got to love powerful electrics!

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05-12-2011 03:50 PM  7 years agoPost 4398
turboomni

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Gasser's have improved a great deal in recent years. Most including me will run a motor that is modified and not use an outa the box stock motor. The motor has the crankshaft trued and piston lightened, everything balanced and possible higher compression and port work.
My usual headspeed is 1700 to 1800. Many will run it to 2000 with mo problem on 700mm sized area blades. Performance is really quite good and the power is much improved compared to a few years ago. Tick tocks are now easily possible. It still doesn't have the power you guys have but I frankly don't need it .

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05-12-2011 03:58 PM  7 years agoPost 4399
Rogman88

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Tick tocks are now easily possible
Now that would be impressive with a gasser!

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05-12-2011 04:59 PM  7 years agoPost 4400
turboomni

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Here's a Vid of a Gasser
This is a Radical 30 [not 30 sized it is the size of a 90 nitro]
It is fitted with a modified motor that I mention above.
The heli weights in at over 12 pounds. It has a prototype 27cc in it.
There are now modified motors up to 30cc on the market.
Let me know what you think guys.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtvppKCWeyI

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