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05-10-2011 06:31 PM  8 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Just wondering ,
what is the average cost for nitro 30% fuel per gallon these days and do you guys use less nitro ever ? I know I didnt when I was flying nitro.
How long are the flights on average and how many flights to a gallon?
Nitro has been the same for the past 4 year's now and hasn't gone up in price.
What is the cost of the larger Lipo's now? I know the Trex 450 style packs have gotten alot cheaper but what about the big ones?
How many flights can you get out of a well cared for big Lipo before they start to fall off in performance and what are the average flight times?
Anywhere from $80.00 to $250.00.
I alway's used the cheaper pack's like Turnigy's and get around 50 cycles then their no fun to fly anymore.2 sport flyer's in my area have over 100 cycle's on Turnigy's.I give my old pack's to a new pilot that's learning and he so far put about 50 more cycle's on them.One guy in my area fly's pretty hard and has about 150 flight's on some Thunderpower's 65C pack's but had 2 puff really good in less than 90 cycle's .So far his good one's are going strong.Still waiting for replacement's on the puffed one's which I think is awesome and time will tell on the other's...
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05-10-2011 06:41 PM  8 years ago
helixangle

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really guys...217 pages...Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people
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05-10-2011 06:57 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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Maybe for that heli but it still has a lower power to weight than the electric
NOT for an 8 min flight. Don't skip the details.
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05-10-2011 07:04 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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That is Rog. Team POP Secret
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05-10-2011 07:10 PM  8 years ago
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Hey, who gave my spoon to that kid!
He stole it while you were pouring your cereal

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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05-10-2011 07:31 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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Interesting thread guys!

What is the run time for Lipo's now ?? Comparable to nitro like 8 minutes or so?
Does anyone use the CarbSmart anymore? I remember when I used mine my flight times went from 7 to 8 minutes to over 10 with a high of 12.
On my Logo, I get 6-7 min sport flying...4-5 min 3D.

I use mixture control on my nitros and like the results. They are not as popular as I'd expect them to be though. I think because there is less development cost going into making them more sophisticated. Harder to do I think. If such a system falters on a tried and true system, you tend to have people run away much more quickly. Versus the more modern electric where if something blows up, most people respond by running out and buying something even more expensive. There's a different mindset there. It's a bit of a shame too because there is actually so much more potential in Nitro. Since they still operate at such low efficiency, just a small increase can have a dramatic effect.
Example, if they are operating at 15% efficiency, a 5% increase would amount to a 33% improvement in power. If the electric is at 80%, then 5% would be only a 6% overall improvement.
Personally, I haven't seen any serious attempt at taking advantage of electronics for Nitro.
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05-10-2011 09:46 PM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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Turbo you don't want to be this guy do you? Just go electric...

High Voltage just works better
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05-10-2011 09:55 PM  8 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Fly both like I do.Then you can spot the grass with nitro and burn your house down with electric ---win/win ...
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05-10-2011 10:02 PM  8 years ago
BobOD

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I made a nice pink heart in the snow for my wife in an attempt to get her to like my Nitro.

But, she still prefers electric. Hates the Nitro in fact. I have found that there is a natural tendency for girls to prefer electric. I can't explain why??? Just an observation.

STIR.
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05-10-2011 10:03 PM  8 years ago
BladeStrikes

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Chick's seem to love high power thing's .Back to you Bob .
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05-10-2011 10:16 PM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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High Voltage just works better
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05-10-2011 10:18 PM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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What is the cost of the larger Lipo's now?
I just bought a pair of Turnigy 3600's last night for 52$ each from the USA warehouse of hobbycity. I'll put em in series on my Logo 600 and spank the crap out of it...
High Voltage just works better
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05-10-2011 10:27 PM  8 years ago
Hate_To_Crash

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My wife will let me buy about any nitro I want.. But NO!! To the Electrics. Just not the same with out the smoke and sound she says....
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05-10-2011 10:35 PM  8 years ago
turboomni

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Turbo you don't want to be this guy do you? Just go electric...
Lol Rogman!

BobOD,,On my old Raptor 50 Hyper I remember installing the carbsmart.
In my adjustments to the CarbSmart I was amazed at how much leaner it could be to hold the temp I set it at which was considered safe. If I remember correctly I was between 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 turns out on the high and ended up around one turn out with the carbsmart enabling the high needle to go to 1 1/3 out and in the 7/8 th in. I also remember if I was hauling on it there was good smoke [still less than before] and when I went to haulin on it to a hover I noticed after stabilising the smoke would become less as the needle was leaned. I thought it was a nice Idea that worked well ,gave you more power and longer flight times,it was a win win situation.
I had a very good increase in power and longer flights with still a good deal of smoke from the 30% nitro I was using but that was some years ago . So guys don't use this type of system now or is there a better system out there now? I would think flying a 90 sized nitro now would be more expensive that electric with the current prices.
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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05-11-2011 02:17 AM  8 years ago
BobOD

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My wife will let me buy about any nitro I want.. But NO!! To the Electrics. Just not the same with out the smoke and sound she says....
Wow. I'm surprized. Most always I find it the other way around.
You got a keeper there.
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05-11-2011 02:26 AM  8 years ago
BobOD

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Yes, Turbo, still around...just not as prevalent as I'd expect given I have had the same experience as you. It depends though I think. If you're doing a routine that varies the power output a fair bit, then it is pretty useful. But, if you are pushing hard the whole time then less so as you tune for the high end and keep it there for the flight. I enjoy a mixed flight (a few minutes of aerobatics, a few of 3d then some big sky...etc)...so I do find it useful as it adjusts to the different loadings. Pretty cool. Team POP Secret
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05-11-2011 04:52 AM  8 years ago
turboomni

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You had said which I agree with fully as you stated here:::
there is actually so much more potential in Nitro. Since they still operate at such low efficiency, just a small increase can have a dramatic effect.
I believe too there is much more potential in nitro motors that could be exploited with electronics that are more sophisticated. A closed loop exhaust sensor that would read the O2 content and react faster than through a heat sink sensor..as in the CarbSmart. In order to get the best razor edge tuning you need something faster than a carbsmart,,but the carbsmart was a good start and good enough for me at the time. If nitro motor's had the same sophistication as brushless motors electronically to operate them,,it could change everything ,,maybe at least for awhile,,
This a rambling thought and is not binding,,,,,,,lol
Setup is everything, All my heli's can fly far better than I can pilot them
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05-11-2011 05:30 AM  8 years ago
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there is actually so much more potential in Nitro. Since they still operate at such low efficiency, just a small increase can have a dramatic effect.
Example, if they are operating at 15% efficiency, a 5% increase would amount to a 33% improvement in power. If the electric is at 80%, then 5% would be only a 6% overall improvement.
LOL Bob, your the best I've seen yet at playing the negatives of a debate to your advantage! This post actually makes it sound like being inefficient is a good thing, and high efficiency much less. LOL

And this post:
Wow. I'm surprized. Most always I find it the other way around.
You got a keeper there.
I'll give you this my friend, you have a keen intellect!

Never the less, Electric wins best overall!
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05-11-2011 05:32 AM  8 years ago
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Ya caught me.
I love subtle little digs.
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05-11-2011 05:38 AM  8 years ago
Band1086

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Well, it has to be done if one is on the losing side, pulling out all the stops that is!
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