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05-10-2011 05:44 AM  7 years agoPost 4301
turboomni

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I would say Nitro and Electric both quite frankly are dead last to Gassers in my opinion! I fly for twenty minutes for a few cents,,and with my onboard generator I don't charge ,,I refill and go another 2o minutes! Or until my TX needs charging,,,,6 hours??
The power is not that of the slam bam nitro or Lipo set but I will say honestly many of you are not up to that style anyway [like me,,I tried it and it wasn't for me] It is very graceful style but will do most everything they will at a bit slower pace.
Although not popular as the nitro /electric if you are into a more graceful style and like the aspect of collective management it May be for you.
Not trying to argue,,but just to mention another alternative.
Power is not everything........

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05-10-2011 06:09 AM  7 years agoPost 4302
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willis even,
Once again,please learn to read what's said.Seem's I need to correct thing's for you so you can reply back with something else that needs corrected..I didn't say it had power of a 10S setup,I said closer.The YS 120 put's them 10S video's you posted to shame.Sorry that posting video's stress you out.Try not looking or watching them,that will help.Band1086 understood what I said and he's 100% electric but you don't.Incase you some how over read it --->
Band1086
Lon is correct about slowing the HS on E's,
.Not even worth replying to anymore.

Band1086,
Yes,I was talking about 50's only.Never owned a 90E ,maybe one day.

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05-10-2011 07:02 AM  7 years agoPost 4303
Band1086

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Hey Bob, I have one for ya...electric more fully utilizes the available energy in it's power source than glow does, IE less waste.
One of the engineers posted early on in this thread that a tank of liquid fuel has 100's of times more energy stored in it than current battery tech can store. And yet my average powered 700E has more power, and only a couple less mins or so of FT...how could this possibly be???

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05-10-2011 01:04 PM  7 years agoPost 4304
Rogman88

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The YS 120 put's them 10S video's you posted to shame.
At a buck per minute of flight time, it had better be good!
if you are into a more graceful style and like the aspect of collective management it May be for you.
I've thought about getting a Radikal 30cc for this very reason.
Not trying to argue,
Then you're in the wrong thread...
Power is not everything........
In this thread, apparently not to the nitro guys either...

I'd grown accustomed to watching Lon's electric and nitro vids daily...then I see someone flying hard 3D like Willie posted and I remember the POWER OF ELECTRIC!!! That was awesome Willie.

Someone can take the spoon now...

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05-10-2011 01:41 PM  7 years agoPost 4305
BobOD

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Hey Bob, I have one for ya...electric more fully utilizes the available energy in it's power source
If you lit your packs up and burned them to ashes, you would be much closer to Nitro in fully consuming your energy source.

You are comparing a system that generates power from burning a fuel to one that stores power that was generated elsewhere. Not much point in making the comparison.

In fact, one of the things that helps Nitro is that electric does not shed that usless weight when it is done with it. Carries useless dead mass all the way to the end. Resulting in a higher power to weight for Nitro. (given 8 minutes of flight of course). ;p

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05-10-2011 02:54 PM  7 years agoPost 4306
Rogman88

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Carries useless dead mass all the way to the end. Resulting in a higher power to weight for Nitro. (given 8 minutes of flight of course). ;p
Touche'

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05-10-2011 02:57 PM  7 years agoPost 4307
Ronald Thomas

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Resulting in a higher power to weight for Nitro
Maybe for that heli but it still has a lower power to weight than the electric

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05-10-2011 03:10 PM  7 years agoPost 4308
Rogman88

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Maybe for that heli but it still has a lower power to weight than the electric
And back at ya Bob!

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05-10-2011 03:15 PM  7 years agoPost 4309
turboomni

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Just wondering ,
what is the average cost for nitro 30% fuel per gallon these days and do you guys use less nitro ever ? I know I didnt when I was flying nitro.
How long are the flights on average and how many flights to a gallon?

What is the cost of the larger Lipo's now? I know the Trex 450 style packs have gotten alot cheaper but what about the big ones?
How many flights can you get out of a well cared for big Lipo before they start to fall off in performance and what are the average flight times?

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05-10-2011 03:17 PM  7 years agoPost 4310
Ronald Thomas

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Nitro is going up and lipos are coming down. A gallon of fuel can be had from $26-$38 a gallon and 6s 5000 lipos can be had for $75-$199. Really is about what you want to fly these days. Cost is really moot.....Ron

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05-10-2011 03:39 PM  7 years agoPost 4311
Rogman88

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I'm always planning and looking at the future. When electrics were brushed with nickel cadmium batteries, I thought planks were underpowered and heavy. ESC's were expensive as well. I bought my first electric plank back on 02 because of brushless and lipo power. It was an 80$ EPP foamy, 85$ castle 25amp ESC, 80$ Himax motor, 3 cell kokam lipo for 60$. 2 hitec 55 servos 25$ each, and two Cerius 9 gram servos for 23$ each. A non balancing Multiplex 30 watt charger for 80$. It was expensive back in the day, but I knew electric was the future. Here 9 years later, a comparable setup can be made for 1/3 the price and get a balancing charger with 5 times the wattage. At this rate, 9 years from now, we won't even be having this debate.

But until then...let's argue!!!

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05-10-2011 03:42 PM  7 years agoPost 4312
turboomni

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I understand that cost for many is moot ,,I have been out of nitro for so long I wanted to see what the pricing of each is these days.

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05-10-2011 03:45 PM  7 years agoPost 4313
Rogman88

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I have been out of nitro for so long I wanted to see what the pricing of each is these days.
Turbo. If you are going to be flying a lot, then electric is better. If you are only going to be flying once or twice a month at a place that doesn't have electricity to charge your batteries on quick turnaround then nitro will suite your needs better.

Edit: I can't believe I actually posted that nitro is better...

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05-10-2011 03:53 PM  7 years agoPost 4314
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In fact, one of the things that helps Nitro is that electric does not shed that usless weight when it is done with it. Carries useless dead mass all the way to the end.
But in doing so, CG is constantly changing. Starts out tail heavy and ends up nose heavy. I love the fact the the CG on the E's stays the same at all times!
Besides, my heli loses on the average about a pound when the batteries are done, all those ions being used up and such...

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05-10-2011 03:58 PM  7 years agoPost 4315
Rogman88

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This is like a John MacEnroe, Jimmy Conners tennis match. Good shots from both sides..back and forth with the occasional personal outburst from John about his nitro helicopter...

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05-10-2011 04:45 PM  7 years agoPost 4316
turboomni

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Interesting thread guys!

What is the run time for Lipo's now ?? Comparable to nitro like 8 minutes or so?
Does anyone use the CarbSmart anymore? I remember when I used mine my flight times went from 7 to 8 minutes to over 10 with a high of 12.

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05-10-2011 05:42 PM  7 years agoPost 4317
TaleGunner

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stir it well

CRASH! GLUE! REPEAT!
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05-10-2011 06:11 PM  7 years agoPost 4318
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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TaleGunner stir it well
lol how did that litle guy get rogmans spoon

Insha Allah made in america

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05-10-2011 06:12 PM  7 years agoPost 4319
Rogman88

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stir it well
I try...

Now WTH is my spoon...

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05-10-2011 06:12 PM  7 years agoPost 4320
Rogman88

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Hey, who gave my spoon to that kid!

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