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05-10-2011 01:22 AM  7 years agoPost 4281
rexxigpilot

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We need to all get on Real Flight G5.5 tonight and have a throwdown. Electrics verses Nitros.

I'll host...Runryder Heli Fun Fly...password "heli". We'll see who's who on here!
That's actually a good idea. Even if there is a reset button and many will fly harder than they normally do because of it, at least we will will separate the hover kings from those who can actually fly 3D.

If we all agree not to bash each other on flying skills I think many would participate. Oh wait...not bash each other, that will never happen!

I have RF 5.5.

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05-10-2011 02:03 AM  7 years agoPost 4282
BladeStrikes

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willie evans
So when you increase headspeed on a nitro to try to match electric power you cut flight time in half 4 - 5 minutes. And if you regear an electric for longer flight times and nitro power you can double flight times. Then what is the debate about? Clear electric rules and the biggest nitro person just proved it in their own statement thank you bladestrikes.
When you regear and turn the headspeed down on a electric,they move slower .Still make's good power but slow.Clearly your comment didn't prove anything .Nitro's are lighter than electric's,that's why they move pretty fast with a 2000 to 2150rpm headspeed unlike electric's.Good thinking willie evens ..

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05-10-2011 02:13 AM  7 years agoPost 4283
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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gotta love this post

cant ya just feel the love ?

hey rogman your gonna need some extra spoons

Insha Allah made in america

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05-10-2011 02:13 AM  7 years agoPost 4284
Ronald Thomas

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Yeah but Lon when you turn the HS down to increase flight times, you go with smaller, lighter packs.....the E is about the same weight

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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05-10-2011 02:15 AM  7 years agoPost 4285
BobOD

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If we all agree not to bash each other
We live to bash.

Would you beleive...I don't even have a sim. Been meaning to get one.

Which would be the best to get?

Team POP Secret

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05-10-2011 02:19 AM  7 years agoPost 4286
rexxigpilot

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Which would be the best to get?
Some of the "which is the best" sim threads are about as long as this N vs. E thread.

If your computer has the sack, get RF5.5. If it's weak like nitro, you may prefer Phoenix!

stir...stir

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05-10-2011 02:27 AM  7 years agoPost 4287
Band1086

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When you regear and turn the headspeed down on a electric,they move slower .Still make's good power but slow.
Lon is correct about slowing the HS on E's, but I think he's talking mostly about the 600 size. I noticed my Furion 6 at 2100 HS is not as snappy as it is at 2350, although 2350 is probably more than what's needed. Everyone on the MA threads, said to run 2200...
On the 700's though, running 1900-2000 works great, and has the added benefit of increased flight time. High HS means short flight times, that's just the way it is. BTW, since the 600 blades have a narrower chord, in addition to being shorter, they don't have near the lift the 700 size do, but the heli is only 2-3 pounds lighter, and I believe that is why the bigger blades work better at lower RPM...sound right Bob???

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05-10-2011 02:32 AM  7 years agoPost 4288
willie evans

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Blaestrikes you said to get similar to electric performance you would cut your flight time in half so you told truth so I did prove something by pointing out what YOU said. Lowering headspeed on electric moves slower like a nitro yes then you get your flighttime. Keep arguing what you wrote has been read and is true. Many others have pointed this our and nitro people do not seem to read and hear I guess.

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05-10-2011 02:51 AM  7 years agoPost 4289
BobOD

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OK, time to sum up the last couple hundred pages.

On average, it seems to me:
Electric has more impulse power.
Nitro...longer duration decent power (ie more power produced in a single flight).
Electric is cheaper if you fly each pack a lot.
Nitro is cheaper if you fly a little or have a lot of helis.
Electric is easier (plug and play).
Nitro takes a little more patience at least at first.
Electric takes less time to change packs between shorter flights.
Nitro takes a little more time to fuel between longer flights.
Electric needs electrical power available.
Nitro only needs fuel and your car bat to charge RX pack.
Electric is clean and efficient...ie dainty, elegant, sophisticated.
Nitro is a dirty, inefficient pig....ie pure, delicious decadence.
Electric is more quiet.
Nitro adds smoke and noise to the show.
Electrics have less maintenance, If it wears/burns out, replace anew and move on.
Nitros require occational engine service. And, screws are more prone to loosening although a quality build can eliminate.

And finally:
E-guys don't really want to know what variables are not being accounted for in their efficiency calculations.
N-guys don't really care.

Team POP Secret

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05-10-2011 03:03 AM  7 years agoPost 4290
BobOD

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Many others have pointed this our and nitro people do not seem to read and hear I guess.
I think we all pretty much agree to this. The issue is that there seems to be a realm where the Nitro can do better power for excess of 8 min flight for example. Simply put,no-one has shown the performance level of electric is as good as that of Nitro given 8 minutes duration. You may not care about the duration...but some of us do.

Frankly, I don't see this should be such an issue. Just a matter of taking advantage of of what each has to offer.

Team POP Secret

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05-10-2011 03:05 AM  7 years agoPost 4291
Rogman88

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OK, time to sum up the last couple hundred pages.
Yep Bob that pretty much sums it up. But that was way to objective and non-inflammatory. Can you re-state at least some of it in a more inflammatory way that would be in the spirit of EvN thread?

I let you borrow my spoon...

High Voltage just works better

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05-10-2011 03:32 AM  7 years agoPost 4292
BobOD

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That's N vs e you fool!

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05-10-2011 03:33 AM  7 years agoPost 4293
Ravenhyper50

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After a couple hundred pages this is the best statement of all!
E-guys don't really want to know what variables are not being accounted for in their efficiency calculations.
N-guys don't really care.
And so TRUE!

Raven

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05-10-2011 03:48 AM  7 years agoPost 4294
mrford

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gota love gassers
love my Helibug T rex 700 it sounds more manly flies for 25 minutes and you need to learn collective finesse But we are all fellow hobbyists theres room in my hanger for electric nitro and my favorite gasser

fly happy live long

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05-10-2011 04:04 AM  7 years agoPost 4295
Rogman88

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you need to learn collective finesse
Layman's translation "underpowered...like nitro".

High Voltage just works better

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05-10-2011 04:30 AM  7 years agoPost 4296
BladeStrikes

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willie evans
Blaestrikes you said to get similar to electric performance you would cut your flight time in half so you told truth so I did prove something by pointing out what YOU said. Lowering headspeed on electric moves slower like a nitro yes then you get your flighttime. Keep arguing what you wrote has been read and is true. Many others have pointed this our and nitro people do not seem to read and hear I guess.
Sorry but I know how to read and I know what I said.Look up what slower mean's so you know what im saying please.You said electric's move the same as nitro with a lower headspeed,not me .I said they move SLOWER,slower doesn't mean the same speed.I have 4 pinion's for my 600E and tried all 4 to get longer flight time but still make good power.It made good power but it mover SLOWER than my nitro.Not sure what you mean by "nitro people" but I own both,like both and flown the crap out of both..

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05-10-2011 04:39 AM  7 years agoPost 4297
willie evans

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Your big electric references then are always to a 600E thats the fattest E heli pig on 6S there is, poor example really. You said you would lose half your flight time to make a nitro do 2300 headspeed and to maybe make electric power you proved the point the electric guys have been trying to make obvious to you for over 200 pages you realize it you dont want to admidt it though. You guys make no sense really

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05-10-2011 04:49 AM  7 years agoPost 4298
Ravenhyper50

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Remember this thread

Nitro VS Electric
https://rc.runryder.com/t614002p1/

Which has the better argument??

Raven

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05-10-2011 05:07 AM  7 years agoPost 4299
BladeStrikes

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willie evans Your big electric references then are always to a 600E thats the fattest E heli pig on 6S there is, poor example really. You said you would lose half your flight time to make a nitro do 2300 headspeed and to maybe make electric power you proved the point the electric guys have been trying to make obvious to you for over 200 pages you realize it you dont want to admidt it though. You guys make no sense really
Do you even read what's said or do you reply?I was talking about a bigblock in a 600N getting 4-5 min's of flight time so please read so you understand what's said.As for a 600E being a pig on 6S,you clearly have no ideal what your talking about.My 6S setup has better power than about all 8S setup's.I know it has more power than the one's I flown and closer to a 10S setup so in your mind,a 10S setup is a pig .

Watch at YouTube

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05-10-2011 05:28 AM  7 years agoPost 4300
willie evans

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Yes and so do other people know what they are talking about, so you would need a big block to have the power but then your flights times would be in line with electric and still maybe not have as much power as electric got ya point taken and proven. This is 10S power
https://rc.runryder.com/t645422p1/

And this is also 10S Power

http://www.youtube.com/user/DanielK...u/1/-pHG25ik8QU

Not burst power constant raw power as well these are 50 sized electrics that make all the 90 nitros here look like they are standing still!

bladestriker
You sure like posting videos about yourself that is one thing that has been proven.

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