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05-01-2011 06:23 AM  10 years ago
Band1086

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Untrue, sorry Bob, you lose...

Electric wins overall best!

Nuff said.
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05-01-2011 06:26 AM  10 years ago
BobOD

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Pest!

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05-01-2011 07:18 AM  10 years ago
McKrackin

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How about the best smack pilot in the world?
He gets free helis any time he wants one.

One electric in the fleet.
They gave it to him and he had to make a video with it.lol....

The best flyers in the world still fly nitro on their own time.
I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-01-2011 07:20 AM  10 years ago
McKrackin

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Tareq Alsaadi by the way.lol...I literally never use the word literally right.
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05-01-2011 09:45 AM  10 years ago
snjbird

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Here ya go Mc Crack when he was still paying for his own stuff!

Watch at YouTube

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05-01-2011 12:10 PM  10 years ago
CX1

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Ya but he doesn't play with toys anymore
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05-01-2011 02:46 PM  10 years ago
Rogman88

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go Mc Crack
Smoking what?
High Voltage just works better
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05-01-2011 04:16 PM  10 years ago
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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snjbird Here ya go Mc Crack when he was still paying for his own stuff!

Watch at YouTube

no wonder why he flies nitros .
4min flight time
Insha Allah made in america
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05-01-2011 05:35 PM  10 years ago
BobOD

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One electric in the fleet.
They gave it to him and he had to make a video with it.lol....
I don't see what's the big deal man. It only took him like 3:15 and it's all overwith.

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05-01-2011 06:06 PM  10 years ago
tadawson

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Nice try Tim
Amazing what the e-guys resort to when the proven facts don't go their way. No sign of an intelligent discussion, no sign of trying to get the details/figures/losses/efficiencies understood or documented, just useless spew with no substance . . . . Which is easily ignored, since it has no backing in fact whatsoever . . . .

And not sure who the guy was who asked how I couldn't like electrical, being an Electrical Engineer . . . it's simple. As an Engineer, (electrical or otherwise) I am capable of evaluating things clearly. For me, the way I fly, and my needs/likes, electric does not cut it. There are still far too many ESC fires, LiPo is still not as safe as a power source as it could be, I *HATE* the short flights from electric, I *refuse* to have to be tied to shore power, or to buy a genny that makes my nitro gear look tiny. And, as a few others have said, I just plain like working on nitro helis. The electric guys who claim that nitros are always in need of work or are always down for maintenance make me laugh . . . other than the engine, the frickin' heli is *THE SAME* with regard to maintenance, and a nitro engine is a simple thing to run and maintain . . well, unless the pilot is more simple than the engine, and can't grasp it . . . . Frankly, a lot of the guys who I have seen go to electric simply didn't have the mental firepower to deal with nitro . . . not all, but a lot of them! Myself, I get very, very, bored with simplicity . . . I really, *REALLY* hate the way that things are getting dumbed down so much in the world . . . it is starting to feel like "Idiocracy" is more of a prophecy!

The *ONLY* way to ever get solid info on this would be to put two helis, a nitro and an E on a dyno, and get *real* power figures from each. Otherwise, there are just lies, damn lies, and marketing . . . . and the marketing figures on RC stuff, at least with regard to power, tend to be the biggest steaming piles of crap I have ever seen . . . rating by peak power, when you can't sustain it? What a load of crap . . .

- Tim
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05-01-2011 06:15 PM  10 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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As an Engineer, (electrical or otherwise) I am capable of evaluating things clearly.
Those things are mutually exclusive when forming opinions. There will ALWAYS be bias.
Some people say nitro is more consistent and the needles never change once they are set. I think that depends on where you live. Here in FL, the temps and humidity change hourly it seems and no matter what, the nitro guys are always adjusting. When I was at IRCHA last year, the flight line was smoked up with nitro guys flying for 20 seconds, landing, tuning, going back up and repeating. Yeah they fly for a minute longer than I do but I am flying the whole time. There is not one nitro guy who can say they never touch the needles day to day. It may be one or two click, it may not be any at all but for sure a nitro motor will make different amounts of power depending on the day.
My electrics always start, fly the same every time, and never have to be adjusted. I guess it is ease of setup and less maintenance for me. I just like electric more. Every once in a while I jump back on the nitro train, only to get off at the first stop....disappointed.......Ron
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05-01-2011 07:10 PM  10 years ago
Rogman88

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Ron speaks truth! I was offered to fly a 90 nitro yesterday at a fun fly. I declined as I may then have to feed one. I don't even want to start that.High Voltage just works better
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05-01-2011 07:43 PM  10 years ago
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i think this topic will run longer than any other topic past or presant
start date 9th day of 11th month 2010
to
end date ? day ? month 20??

fuel it < check it <> fly it > clean it
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05-01-2011 07:58 PM  10 years ago
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Amazing what the e-guys resort to when the proven facts don't go their way. No sign of an intelligent discussion, no sign of trying to get the details/figures/losses/efficiencies understood or documented, just useless spew with no substance . . . . Which is easily ignored, since it has no backing in fact whatsoever . . . .
Actually, it is the nitro guys who refuse to use facts!
OK, so datalog information goes out the window.
Or, they simply get their facts wrong.
So, it's more like 746W electrical divided by the system efficiency gives mechanical output. I have seen 45% as a typical figure (I'll use 50% to make the math easier) so that means that you only get 373W out the mechanical side, and the other 373W out as heat . . .
https://readyheli.com/assets/images..._data_sheet.pdf

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/atta...hmentid=2389256

Fact is, the nitro guys have zero proof that their helis make even the power published by the manufacturers, zero. The nitro guys believe the emperor really does have new clothes.
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05-01-2011 08:29 PM  10 years ago
Band1086

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Gee Tim, thanks for telling us what you really think...your posts seem so bitter and negative, like you had a bad experience sometime in the past. It seems to me there are at least two contradictory statements:
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a lot of the guys who I have seen go to electric simply didn't have the mental firepower to deal with nitro . . .
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There are still far too many ESC fires, LiPo is still not as safe as a power source as it could be
It seems to me, dealing with Lipo's and ESC's requires much greater "mental firepower" than dealing with glow power. Glow power is utterly simple to me, tuning motors and replacing plugs once in a while, it's just a mess to deal with, and I got bored with it. So, I guess I'm just the opposite of some of the guys that started with a Blade or 450 or something. If I would have started and stayed with those, I would have gotten bored also...
And this statement is simply not true:
The electric guys who claim that nitros are always in need of work or are always down for maintenance make me laugh . . . other than the engine, the frickin' heli is *THE SAME* with regard to maintenance
Anyone who has had both 700 E & N know that the N's have more vibration problems. And why would that be? Because there is a little jack hammer in there trying to shake itself and the whole heli apart. And because of that, there is more maintenance, bolts coming lose , breaking, clutches breaking, liners wearing out etc.,etc.,etc. there is more maintenance, but it's simple maintenance if you like to do that sort of thing...
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05-01-2011 08:35 PM  10 years ago
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Yeah, what band said I was just gonna type that but you beat me to it Bro

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05-01-2011 08:39 PM  10 years ago
Band1086

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LOL Doug...I didn't mean the blade stuff about you...

But here's a short version of my story:
I'm a watthead exclusively(approx 2.5 yrs) now, but before that, I was a glowhead/watthead(about 2.5 yrs), and before that I was a glowhead exclusively(approx 11 yrs with helis, but longer with planks). About 6-7 years ago, I was becoming very bored with my heli hobby, to the point for about a year I stopped flying. But when I saw the MA Ion fly, it sparked something in me, but it was a novelty, as the batt, motor, and ESC tech was better than previous
generations...but still terrible and ridiculously expensive(esp batt tech). So I went along for a couple more years just dabbling with the 90N's, and one Ion, but not flying much. Then when the E tech started to come up quicker, just after the TR700N came out, I decided to try JK's design, but with electric power(Actro 32-3) right out of the box on 12S with FP batts. I was amazed at the performance, but was having to work through gear striping issues which were frustrating. As E tech just kept getting better and better, I stopped flying the N's and eventually sold them all. So ultimately my fascination with E tech and it's advantages saved the heli hobby for me.
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05-01-2011 08:52 PM  10 years ago
tadawson

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Gee Tim, thanks for telling us what you really think...your posts seem so bitter and negative, like you had a bad experience sometime in the past.
I have . . . more than once . . . far, far, FAR more diddling getting an ESC programed correctly for gov, etc. than ever on a nitro. Can't overcharge/overdischarge nitro . . .
and from observation at the field, it seems that the nitro guys almost *always* have more flight time . . . and it seems like every third time or so I go to fly, some E pilot has a fire from some damn thing, either grounding them, or totalling the aircraft.

And I *CAN* tell you that I am a nitro pilot that typically only bumps needles once or twice a year. Power is *NOT* my holy grail - precision flying *IS*, for which power is not the solution! Some folks like to push the envelope, and get greedy on the power side . . . and a lot of these guys are the ones blowing up either engines *OR* ESCs, since they simply ask too much.

I also don't believe that LiPo is as inherently safe as some claim. You can take precautions, but there *have* been inexplicable fires, and one is more than I want to tolerate.

As I have said before, I still have one electric - a pretty high end Align 450 SE2 with good parts, and I just hate the thing . . . . the *only* reason I keep it is if I travel, it's easy to throw in the car . . . otherwise, it never leaves the house . . .

I have said it before, and I will say it again . . . if your goal is 4 minutes of insane wanking, then E may be the ticket. For those of us who prefer more precision/calmer flying, then the advantage pretty much disappears, and well may become a liability . . .

And regarding my overall tone and attitude, I tend to get uppity when confronted with bucketload after bucketload of bull$h!t . . .

Oh, and for the guy who posted the links to some motor specs . . . notice that it says "Max efficiency"? It's kinda like your DSL, or other service these days with "Up to" in the spec . . . IE, plan to never see it in *YOUR* world . . . more BS marketing. I don't give a crap what "Max" is - I want to know what *realworld* is . . . not a test in a lab!

- Tim
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05-01-2011 09:03 PM  10 years ago
BobOD

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OK, so you have some people arguing that nitros are simple and some arguing they are a pain to adjust and maintain. Some variability person to person, and maybe place to place I guess. I use mixture control and haven't found any maintenance issues even worth the bother to mention. But, I do understand that my experiences aren't the same as all others. So, Band, when you see a Nitro guy make an issue about the claims that Nitros are a messy maintenance pain, it may not be being directed to you specifically. More likely it is directed to many others who have stated so. And, BTW, if the maintenance and adjusting is part of your decision to dislike Nitro...that's fine too....just understand others put different weight on that.

More important is the demonstration of power that the electrics have been challenged to show for so long. An unmet challenge. Heck, now we're even seeing the peak power seems it is being beat by Nitros.

Hey, that still doesn't mean there should not be some who prefer electric for this reason or that. I can respect that. It's just that, for me, the superior power characteristics of the Nitro is one of my top demands.
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05-01-2011 09:06 PM  10 years ago
rexxigpilot

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+1 Band. I would have quit the hobby myself if it wasn't for the Logo 600. I was so tired of fixing my Trex700 every time I flew it. Bolts were constantly coming loose, gears stripped and clutches disintegrated. Then there was the hassle of replacing of bearings every couple on months on the OS91HZ. Now throw in the cost of nitro that I was going through at about $300/month. I think it is pretty easy to see why electric is the only way to go if you fly often.

Now add the extreme power of an E bird over the wimpy output of a nitro. Include flight times that are now totally acceptable at over 7 minutes. Have large capacity (4-5Ah) 12S flight packs available that last for 100+ cycles and cost less than $200. Top it all off with high power charge equipment for <15 minutes recharges and it's a done deal...Electric wins! No more nitro in my future.
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