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04-22-2011 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 3461
BladeStrikes

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Man,im putting the OP on iggy (sorry) so I stop posting in here ..

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04-22-2011 07:09 PM  7 years agoPost 3462
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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wargor
nitros are not toys unlike electrics all toys are electric ?.

nitro = machine
electric = toy
So I guess an electric vehicle is a toy compared to a gas car
correct and remove the motor and you have a giant tonka

Insha Allah made in america

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04-22-2011 07:20 PM  7 years agoPost 3463
elkmaster01

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No your not and the rule's aren't the same and not even close.You can't compare a Trex 250 to a Trex 700N or Trex 600N to a Trex 700E,doesn't work that way.Cost isn't the same and you already said the 700N cost more than your 600E.Anyone that's been in the hobby long enough and know's that nitro's are by far cheaper to buy over electric.Go add up everything you have (brand new cost) for your 12 cell 600E,it's noing to be alot more than the 700N for sure..Add up the power supply,Gen,lipo's ect..Go by the total cost to get each going and funfly ready..
I'm not going to be buying power supplies and batteries every flight,,,just as I'm not going to buy a starter every flight.

Let me retrack my first statement,,,,,I couldn't care less about start-up(from scratch, ground support) costs between elec and nitro. The initial costs PLUS operating costs is only half the equation. The other half is flight performance.

I don't have to buy a nitro and a electric of each size to make a comparison. I have a 600,,,I WANT a 700,,,,so why not get a nitro and use that info to determine if I want to later get a 600 nitro or a 700E? Go all electric or all nitro? I can figure it out! But until I fly a nitro,,I'm clueless.

This entire thread did nothing but add to the confusion,,,,too many opinions and not enough facts.

Here's a fact;

My 700N complete kit cost $2800. I just priced out the 700E with the exact same setup. I deleted the engine/fuel.gov and nitro stuff and added motor/esc/2 sets of flight batteries. The 700E comes in at $3110. Thats not a huge difference,,,with just one set of flight batteries to cost is neglitable.

So,,,now it's down to operating costs and flight performance!!

Randy

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04-22-2011 07:52 PM  7 years agoPost 3464
BobOD

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why do electric guys keep referring to nitro heli's as lawn equipment

maybe compare a gasser to electric I could understand

the gasser wins hands down for flight time and operating cost
then nitro
then electric

if your a power hungry 3D maniac reverse the above order
Dang man...if you spell it out with such clarity like that, you'll have this thread end right there. What are you thinking man???

Oh...not here I guess....I see we're onto another page.

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04-22-2011 08:19 PM  7 years agoPost 3465
BobOD

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Hey elkmaster,
I'm sure that 700N will indeed give you a good impression of what Nitro is all about. I can't imagine it not giving you a thrill. Some new things to learn and master. Of course this depends on the individual but I find most hobbiests enjoy new challenges. Weather you like it in the long run or not just depends on too many individual reasons for anyone but you to determine. Thus no surprise you wouldn't get any idea listening to any of us.

All Bladestrikes is saying is simply that if you try to make a comparison to your 600E and you try to share it with anyone here, you'll get a bunch of people jumping all over you for making such a rediculous comparison. It's happened a few times already. (I hope I'm not putting words into your mouth Bladestrikes).

Anyway, I happen to agree with you wholeheartedly. Yes, comparisons can be made. And since the two power systems are so different in many more reasons than just peak power or flight time, or operating costs, you'll probably never know 'till you try. ;P

And, if you ever decide you don't like nitro...I got dibs on it.

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04-22-2011 08:33 PM  7 years agoPost 3466
BobOD

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IF and a big IF
if you fly alot, more than 50 flights a month
Very big IF indeed.
Don't forget you need to add how many helis you have. AND if you have a "special occation" one or two, they can be a killer on $/flight. Lipos have a shelf life so it's costing you when you are not flying.
Yes, my "daily driver" may cost less in the long run but I spend WAY more on batts than I will on Nitro.

But, that's not why I fly Nitro anyway. I fly them simply because they are more manly.

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04-22-2011 08:52 PM  7 years agoPost 3467
BladeStrikes

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Yeah,that's exactly what I mean Bob .Honestly though,it doesn't matter if you have both.If you say you like one,you get beat down by the other side so what's the point?

Elk,
Im 100% sure once you learn to tune the motor,you'll enjoy both just like other's and I do .You have a YS so make sure you run the motor on the rich side while learning,YS motor's love running a little right anyways.

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04-22-2011 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 3468
Rogman88

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Smoky smoky artichoke!!!

High Voltage just works better

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04-22-2011 10:10 PM  7 years agoPost 3469
BobOD

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what's the point
To kill time.

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04-22-2011 10:18 PM  7 years agoPost 3470
BladeStrikes

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Very true.

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04-23-2011 01:03 AM  7 years agoPost 3471
rexxigpilot

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I think we need a new RR rule. You can't advance your RR status when more than 50% of your posts are in the same thread. I almost forgot that Heli Ace X started this thread. It appears that someone else has hijacked it as their own. Can anyone guess who that person may be?

How's that for stirring the pot.

BTW, I tried to fly some nitro helis today. However, the thought of it just bored me so much that I didn't make it to the field. Maybe tomorrow (yawn)!

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04-23-2011 01:33 AM  7 years agoPost 3472
Rogman88

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Rexxi you could charge some batteries tonight. That may make tomorrow more exciting!

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04-23-2011 01:48 AM  7 years agoPost 3473
CX1

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sold 1 electric and ended up with a protos on a trade anyway

I just can't get away from electric

what am I to do

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04-23-2011 02:17 AM  7 years agoPost 3474
helixangle

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i really can't believe this is still a topic

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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04-23-2011 02:27 AM  7 years agoPost 3475
finnegan

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04-23-2011 02:34 AM  7 years agoPost 3476
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sold 1 electric and ended up with a protos on a trade anyway

I just can't get away from electric

what am I to do
Relax...that's a nice size for electric.

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04-23-2011 04:14 AM  7 years agoPost 3477
Rogman88

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Anyway. I slammed the collective hard and long today. Why? Because it's fun, I don't fly nitro so I can!
So a brief recap.

Electric = Long and hard
Nitro = short little pops

I like short little pops, but it's nice to know if I want to slam the stick long and hard, my electric can handle it!

High Voltage just works better

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04-23-2011 04:16 AM  7 years agoPost 3478
Band1086

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My 700N complete kit cost $2800
Elk, how much fuel did you figure in that price and how much per gallon?

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04-23-2011 04:32 AM  7 years agoPost 3479
CX1

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Thanks Bob

looks to be more in my budget and it's my first FBL to boot

plus I'l have tech support nearby

looks like my nitro will be on the shelf again this season

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04-23-2011 04:44 AM  7 years agoPost 3480
BobOD

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Elk, how much fuel did you figure in that price and how much per gallon?
Here's a possible scenario.

Let's say he flys 300 flights a year. That's quite a lot for most people in this hobby. And he has 5 helis. I don't know the mix so I'll figure he flies all equally even though most people I know tend to fly the smaller ones more often. So, 1/5 of 300 is 60 flights per year. If he's flying 4 minute flights, he should be able to get about 16 flights per gallon. So 4 gallons should do for the year.

Helidirect currently has Nitro on sale for $17 per gallon.
That's 68 bucks for the year of flying.

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