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10-15-2010 01:57 PM  8 years agoPost 1
rich m

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I am just curious if people even think about the affect that their outsourcing and buying from foreign countries has on the US economy. In past years the US was a manufacturing superpower, not anymore. We have shot our own self in the foot. Because we enjoy a better standard of living and have laws enforcing the disposal of waste products and such our costs of doing business is more than other countries. Because our country believes in free trade we do not tariff or tax foreign products causing our own prices to be higher than others in our own country. I like to shop for a good price as much as the next guy but I buy as many US products as I possibly can even though I may pay a little more. All this outsourcing to foreign countries who abuse their employees and pollute the environment is what is ruining our once great economy, do any of us care or is this the trend for things to come?

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10-15-2010 02:03 PM  8 years agoPost 2
z11355

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real world stagnant wages, expensive labor and regulations and a desire to consume beyond our means all points to getting as much stuff as cheaply as possible.

in years past, foreign mfgr's just weren't that good, now they are 'good enough' and dirt cheap.

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10-15-2010 02:17 PM  8 years agoPost 3
white chocolate

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Your just now figuring this out????

We are in big trouble cause its only going to get worse!!

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10-15-2010 02:44 PM  8 years agoPost 4
rich m

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I'm not just figuring it out Will. My family has been in manufacturing for the last 25 years. I was actually just asking if anyone cares or are we so stupid that we are going to create our own demise. If we bought things that were manufactured here in the US there would be more jobs for US citizens and better wages. Our own desire to get things as cheap as possible is our own downfall. Maybe some foreign stuff we purchase is good enough but most of it is pure junk. I am not necessarily refering to R/C helis either.

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10-15-2010 02:53 PM  8 years agoPost 5
white chocolate

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Unfortunately it doesn't matter if anyone cares. This is the way it is and will always be. You cant expect Joe Blow to bring his factory back to the states when he can underpay people who will over work %75 of the workforce here. People shopping for cheaper prices isn't what did this. People being lazy and demanding too much money for half a$$ work is what drove the factories out. However both reasons most certainly will be our downfall among all the other things that are messed up with our country and its thinking.

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10-15-2010 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 6
rich m

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Your right the days of the hardworking, ass kicking, pride in your work, Americans is long gone. What a shame.

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10-15-2010 03:21 PM  8 years agoPost 7
SPLCHEVETE

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USA STEEL
My VERY Close friend is a truck driver and hauls steel right from the barge "AKA CHINA" and then it goes to Texas where they grind of the made in china/etc. and stamp on it "MADE IN USA" not a joke either. sickening!!!!!

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10-15-2010 03:38 PM  8 years agoPost 8
white chocolate

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Well here's a sad eye opener!! I only think about this now that I have kids.

This is our generation now that is lazy and worse then the
hardworking, ass kicking, pride in your work, Americans
. The kids growing up are learning from us and inevitably will be worse or more lazy then us now. Then what happens??

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10-15-2010 03:47 PM  8 years agoPost 9
rich m

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I hear you Will. My father was hard on us and taught us how to work hard for what we have. Hopefully I can teach my kids not to be lazy spoiled brats.

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10-15-2010 08:44 PM  8 years agoPost 10
bubba01

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Work Ethic
If I may delve into a short tirade....

You know... growing up, I always had quotes from my parents/grand parents drummed into my head. At the time I probably ignored most but some stuck and hold true today.

"Anything worth doing, is worth doing right."
"You don't get paid by the hour. You get paid for the value you bring to the hour."
"Always do your share, and then do some more."
"If you aim for nothing, that's what you're going to get."
"If you can't take time to do it right now, when do you think you'll have time later?"
"The best way to appreciate your job is to imagine not having one at all."

For the most part, we've lost our strong work ethic in this country. We no longer have the drive and determination our grand parents had... and to a certain extent our parents had. If you look back 4-5 generations and follow it forward, you can see the work ethic eroding into what we're left with today. We've become soft and lazy as a society. We've stood by and watched what used to be 3rd world nations eclipse us in all different areas. I would love to say "Buy American" but that would simply be foolish. There is little value for me as a consumer to jump on this bandwagon. I know it sounds harsh but we as a country have to "earn" the respect we used to enjoy.

Saying "Buy American" is like asking for a handout on the street corner. My response to panhandlers is get a job... my response to my fellow Americans is do a better job! For our sake as a country and one-time power house... please DO A BETTER JOB.

Companies have moved their factories to other countries to enjoy a lower cost of labor partly because we got so dang greedy they couldn't compete anymore. That combined with our lazy, sloppy work ethic only compounded the issue. Seriously, if you were in mfg and found you could have cheaper labor and maintain the same acceptable quality... you wouldn't jump at the chance? Be honest.

I will now step down from the soapbox and take my beating like a man.


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10-15-2010 09:59 PM  8 years agoPost 11
rich m

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"Buy American" but that would simply be foolish. There is little value for me as a consumer to jump on this bandwagon.
Seriously, if you were in mfg and found you could have cheaper labor and maintain the same acceptable quality... you wouldn't jump at the chance? Be honest.
This is not always true. There are American companies that do make quality parts that are of exceptional quality. I look at parts that are similar to ours that are made in China with cheap urethane and bad machining that dont last a third as long as ours and it makes me sick that people still buy them. The people that I have convinced to buy ours over the cheap Chinese ones they were buying have been very appreciative because the parts I sold them, while slightly more expensive last much longer and have saved their companies alot of money. I still go to places that tell me ignorant things like "we dont care ow long they last if they are not cheaper". This is not an attack on what you said just me ranting a little because I am in manufacturing and I refuse to go whip a small boy in Asia for a bowl of rice a day to get a cheap inferior product. All of the parts I sell are made of the highest quality materials and to the best standards and are all made here in the USA. Not all of us have sold out to being lazy! I just wish some others would follow.

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10-16-2010 12:18 AM  8 years agoPost 12
dilberteinstein

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The US corporate tax is second highest only to China. Yes, we are higher than France and Japan.

There are many products that we no longer make...but we could with the right incentives.

I suggest that corporations should be allowed to operate without ANY corporate tax (limited time) when they produce a product that is no longer produced in the US.

The companies overseas do not pay any corporate income taxes to the US. Their workers pay NO income taxes to the US. They pay no real estate taxes to the US.

For a limited period time, we would receive NO corporate taxes in this plan but the US would receive income taxes from workers and real estate taxes would go into local pockets.

Plus the balance of trade would be helped.

There could be variations that would include reduced taxes instead of no taxes. There may be other or better incentives to build manufacturing in this country.

Our government should be working to help create the environment for more manufacturing. I don't believe this is happening...I think our government is hurting manufacturing.

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10-16-2010 12:28 AM  8 years agoPost 13
rich m

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I agree with you completely. If they don't offer tax relief they could also incorporate some sort of tariff on foreign products. Our government could care less about the American worker as long as we keep letting them get away with murder unquestioned. I wonder if our American flags are still made in the US.

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10-16-2010 08:11 AM  8 years agoPost 14
shawmcky

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Yep
China has pretty much won the war that the majority of the west did not even realise it was fighting,no bullets,this is /was a very smart war.The new work ethic(for the majority) will be,work long and very hard for a lot less than you have been used to with a much lower standard of living.How can you compete when workers have no rights,no regulation of the workplace and $20 a month.The Asians have the work ethic now because they want what we "Have" had.The worst thing is we have let this happen.Over regulation and some pretty extreme employment laws have certainly not helped any of us at all.What we need now is a united nations of commerce now,unless you are in and it is fair to other members,keep out.Sounds extreme but drastic protectionism might be all that is left perhaps.I feel we have to dig some trenches to protect our old allies in europe and the U.S.A because we are at war commercially.Let others join when the playing field is level and their currency is at a similar level to make it a fair fight.In this war, because of our lifestyle,we are the ones with the bows and arrows

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10-16-2010 03:14 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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hey Dilbert....now you're talking!!!! This is what the "Fair Tax is all about. No corporate taxes period. Can you imagine the influx of business and jobs to the US??? No income taxes to the citizens either. A consumption tax is the "fairest tax" of all. The only problem I see with that is, if it ever got enacted, how long would it take for some shady politician to bring back income tax, and then we'd have both.
I was very skeptical of the idea of Fair Tax until I read the book.

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10-16-2010 03:31 PM  8 years agoPost 16
GyroFreak

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No corporate taxes period. Can you imagine the influx of business and jobs to the US???
That would be an incredible boost to the job market. Also get the government out of the faces of corporate America.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-16-2010 03:32 PM  8 years agoPost 17
z11355

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which is exactly why it wont happen.

the government believes they are the solution to every problem and the increasingly dumbed-down American public is only too eager to get handouts and 'programs'.

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10-18-2010 04:55 PM  8 years agoPost 18
skyboy672

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2 words that have caused the US economy on a downward spiral "labor unions"

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10-18-2010 04:58 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Dennis (RIP)

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2 words that have caused the US economy on a downward spiral "labor unions"
Its funny how that fact seems to be completely ignored on our media.

I am sure its not the only factor. But, it sure does apply.

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10-18-2010 06:48 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Two more words..... "Federal Reserve"....

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