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10-16-2010 04:24 AM  8 years agoPost 41
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10-16-2010 04:29 AM  8 years agoPost 42
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10-16-2010 04:37 AM  8 years agoPost 43
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Can we make it an RR rule that all FBL threads are closed after one page?
might as well add elec/nitro,spec/futaba, pinch/thumbs,and heli A vs heliB to that

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10-16-2010 04:42 AM  8 years agoPost 44
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Monkeys are fun

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10-16-2010 04:47 AM  8 years agoPost 45
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I agree with everything everybody says all the time, especially the thing about monkeys.

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10-17-2010 02:44 AM  8 years agoPost 46
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Very fast compared to flybared.

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10-17-2010 09:24 PM  8 years agoPost 47
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Tried the vbar 5.0 and the DX8 today for the first time on a Trex 550 (vivid mode) (all not mine), I liked it mainly because I could do almost flawless piro flips on the spot, that tail is very consistant!

I still wont be rushing out to spend all that money for the slight improvement it made. Fast pitch stops were still a bit delayed even at '20' pitch pump setting, maybe more was needed? Didn't have time to find out as the light was fading.... too much time tweaking on the laptop.... battery went aswell!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-19-2010 03:49 AM  8 years agoPost 48
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The thing I like the most about the flybarless over the flybar is that my fbl 700 doesn't rattle the paddles on the blades as I drive to the field so I just put the flybarred 700 in the back of the truck now so I don't have to hear it!

Fly what u want , I enjoy them both!

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10-19-2010 05:03 AM  8 years agoPost 49
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10-19-2010 05:05 AM  8 years agoPost 50
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Thats certainly a performance improvement because you can drive that much faster to the field!

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10-19-2010 08:14 AM  8 years agoPost 51
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When in doubt, take a quote from Dr. Ben here. Although there is CC promotional content, you get the jist.
From Matt Boto's site:

New to flybarless or not familiar with the benefits? A good test is to use a Castle Creations ICE controller on a flybar helicopter, look closely at the peak amp draw, total mah used, and peak controller temperature within the ICE data logging feature as well as the battery temperature (use a temp gun). Now convert the same helicopter to flybarless and watch all of those numbers drop drastically! Nitro helicopters will run longer on a single tank and more efficiently as well! Last but not least flybarless electronics opens a whole new world of potential maneuvers due to extreme cyclic speeds available.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-19-2010 11:07 AM  8 years agoPost 52
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The question is is it worth all the money not to mention time, some it is some it isn't.

Dont give me the 'you can take off the price you would have spent on a gyro and reciever' as I already have those as do many others considering converting an existing heli.

I know I wouldn't enter a comp with much confidence with my flybared heli against people flying FBL, not now ive experienced how much easier it is to do manuevers with FBL!

They need to be separated in 3D comps.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-19-2010 11:13 AM  8 years agoPost 53
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That statement suprises me, I find piroflips for example harder on a FBL system, not to get to far off topic here but that has been my experience a FBL system of any kind to me seems far less forgiving on mistakes. Not that this is a bad thing, but I find I make the same stirs for piroflips, piro funnels etc on either FB or FBL and it seems easier on a FB for me for most of those, easier to make look good anyhow, but I've found I'm improving as well. I dunno, back on topic but I had to say that has not been my experience.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-19-2010 12:00 PM  8 years agoPost 54
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I would agree but I found vbar V5.0 better for prio flips etc.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-19-2010 12:11 PM  8 years agoPost 55
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Yes absolutely true with V5.0, I suppose each to their own, but way I took it was that complex manuevers were somehow easier then flybar, with that I disagree as I still have opportunity to compare both regularly and find I make the same stick motions with each, and that's ok we all have opinions and that's cool no worries at all.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-19-2010 08:45 PM  8 years agoPost 56
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When in doubt, take a quote from Dr. Ben here. Although there is CC promotional content, you get the jist.

From Matt Boto's site:

New to flybarless or not familiar with the benefits? A good test is to use a Castle Creations ICE controller on a flybar helicopter, look closely at the peak amp draw, total mah used, and peak controller temperature within the ICE data logging feature as well as the battery temperature (use a temp gun). Now convert the same helicopter to flybarless and watch all of those numbers drop drastically! Nitro helicopters will run longer on a single tank and more efficiently as well! Last but not least flybarless electronics opens a whole new world of potential maneuvers due to extreme cyclic speeds available.
This is precisely what I was hoping one of the folks that is going through the conversion would do for the rest of us - and post the results. There are some obvious things that should save energy (lower mass and induced drag, lower parasite drag), and some less obvious things that will cost you some energy (control drag), and the data logged in the ESC will give us the net gain/loss. I think most of the people who are on the fence with FBL would like to see this if someone is willing to make the effort to get the data and share it. If you can, make similar flights with similar conditions. Gusty wind is a plus, as we'll see how both systems deal with this.

--Kevin

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10-20-2010 02:40 PM  8 years agoPost 57
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I was used to my FB 600 and going to FBL has made piroflips ummmm....an adjustment for my brain. Haven't found them easier than FB...yet. Just converted to vbar 5.0 when my CC BECpro crapped out on me so haven't gotten many flights on it yet.

High Voltage just works better

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10-20-2010 03:12 PM  8 years agoPost 58
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Ever have to cut a 4mm flybar out of a wrecked head with a pair of sidecutters? NOT EASY!
Use Dremel tool with cutoff wheel.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-20-2010 03:23 PM  8 years agoPost 59
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10-20-2010 06:23 PM  8 years agoPost 60
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I was used to my FB 600 and going to FBL has made piroflips ummmm....an adjustment for my brain. Haven't found them easier than FB...yet. Just converted to vbar 5.0 when my CC BECpro crapped out on me so haven't gotten many flights on it yet.
One of the other side effects of going FBL is increased servo loads, as now the servos have to do all the work that the FB used to do, so servos and regulators take more of a beating. I'm sure we'll see an influx of new servos to meet the demands, just as we did with tail servos to match the performance of modern HH gyros. Also need to make sure they get enough power. I think I have seen some posts looking at servo current draw on FB versus FBL, but can't remember where. I think current draw roughly doubled.

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