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10-14-2010 09:30 PM  8 years agoPost 21
chopper_crazy

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I've always been told, fly three mistakes high

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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10-14-2010 09:34 PM  8 years agoPost 22
Ace4

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It also depends on what size of the heli. If you're flying a 250 its pretty hard to fly it high up.

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10-14-2010 09:53 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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250 is nearly impossible to fly.

Have you tried reflective tape on the tips of your blades?

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10-14-2010 10:03 PM  8 years agoPost 24
McKrackin

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Prismatic decals on the blades makes a world of difference.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-14-2010 10:05 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Raptor Pilot

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gflight, from watching your video it looks like you cant fly a circuit yet. Of course i could be wrong here and apologies if i am. Now, im assuming here that you cant fly a circuit so when the heli starts to come around side on and nose in, you loose orientation because your brain cant react to tell you what stick movements you need. This doesnt mean your stupid or anything like that, its a natural reaction to panic. I used to get it way back in the early days of model flying. In a nut shell, if you have more stick time and get more experiance, you wont loose orientation as quick. Also, a bigger heli will be easier to see and will be more stable. Just keep at it buddy, we all had to learn.

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10-14-2010 10:07 PM  8 years agoPost 26
rexxigpilot

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Get a sim and practice more frequently.

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10-14-2010 10:28 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Adaboy

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Try making converting to a FBL system like the SK720 and see about using the auto stability feature until you get %100 confortable with the orientations. I'm sure it wouldn't be a waisted investment.

Anyone using that feature?

Sounds like were cooking with gas....

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10-14-2010 10:42 PM  8 years agoPost 28
iHover

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auto stability feature
IMHO Its a crutch and a bad one at that. There is value in learning how to get out of trouble on your own. Just my opinion.

You had me at Hover

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10-14-2010 11:06 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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A crutch that saves you $500 at a time is OK in my book.

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10-14-2010 11:14 PM  8 years agoPost 30
McKrackin

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I used a Helicommand 3D for a Summer and it got me out flying instead of trying not to crash.
I turned the stick priority up more every week until the HC wasn't working at all.

Probably saved me thousands in the long run.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-14-2010 11:21 PM  8 years agoPost 31
iHover

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I dont think I ever had one single crash as a beginer that ran that much. 1st thing I learned was to hit TH and minimize the damage. Most of the time it was booms and blades. On a 600 that usualy ony ran 30 - 50 with cheap blades. Once I started doing acrobatics I ran up some high numbers (replacing frames sucks).

You had me at Hover

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10-14-2010 11:41 PM  8 years agoPost 32
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I've never had a crash that cost me less than $200, even on a 450. Even a hard auto ends up costing me a couple of hundred dollars. I don't know how you're getting away with such cheap crashes. Just a single set of 710 blades costs me $150 (with shipping).

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10-15-2010 12:24 AM  8 years agoPost 33
iHover

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1. Im flying a trex 600
2. I bought hobby king and before that some other vendor I cant recall blades a dozen at a shot at the beginning of the seasson.

A tipcal crash when I was 1s learning was a bent boom ( I used belt drive) landing gear sometimes. bent main or spindle. main gear if I didnt get to the TH fast enough. If I didnt take out the blades (which accounted for about half of my crashes I'd say) then I was lookin at 30 or so bucks.

The crash parts just wherent that much.
I think a pack of two main shafts ran 10 to 14 or so
same with booms and feathering shafts.

I also savd a lot on shipping by ordering extra parts every year so I wasnt getting nickle and dimed on shipping.

Why where your crashes so much? what did you learn on?
I'm still running cheap HK cf blades LOL

You had me at Hover

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10-15-2010 12:30 AM  8 years agoPost 34
Eagle2bravo

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Alot of times I'll sort of rock the heli around a bit as it gets further away...helps tell me where the heli is. Other than that you have to get used to the heli far away...takes time.

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10-15-2010 02:48 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Noobyflyer

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Not sure if this was brought up, but once every 3 weeks may not be enough. For me, I have to fly atleast 3-4 packs every couple days. Even if it is hovering and figure eights in my driveway, I have to keep the "Sticks warm" to continue to develop my ability, especially orientation.

I think developing consistent muscle memory is important so that you are not over-thinking every move and transition. I don't think any more, I just focus and fly.

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10-15-2010 03:15 AM  8 years agoPost 36
broggyr

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I would agree with Nooby. Whenever i fly all day, i am much more confident. But then i can't fly for a couple weeks, and any progress i made gets tossed out the window. Hopefully i will have more time next year...

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10-15-2010 03:50 AM  8 years agoPost 37
JasonJ

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Don't judge me, but one thing that helped was planks. Here is why: I always flew my helicopter close in and low. Higher and farther out I had orientation issues sometimes. I started planking in March of this year, and at first I flew the plank like I flew the helicopter, close and low. It drove the old timers nuts. As time went by, I got comfortable up high and far away.

As a result, I take my 50 and even my 450 way up and out. Orientation became a non issue because I got used to just relying on what I was wanting it to do verses reacting to what it was doing. I am up and away enough to not really be able to judge the orientation all the time. It has worked very well. Not saying you need a plank, just saying being comfortable up and away is important. It also allows you to try stuff and be able to save it.

I also had all sort of neon colors and visual aids on the helicopters, I have since removed all of that because I realized I am not actually paying attention to the colors, I am just flying the thing so the colors stopped mattering. Now I know how people fly without the canopy, though I don't do that.

I have also found that I can go longer between flying days and be fine. I can go two weeks and be as good and sometimes even better. Even last year, if I went a week, I would lose ground. Now that winter and short days are upon us, that will reduce flying again, but the sim will help with that. It's looking like it will be a heavy snow year so I might not get as much flying in as last winter where we had very little snow. It's not because I don't want to fly in snow, it's because I plow snow so any day that I have to get up at 2:00 AM and plow until 2:00 PM might not be a good day to fly.

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10-15-2010 04:00 AM  8 years agoPost 38
Andy.Kim

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I try to remember my orientation to prevent losing it. Sometimes the glare of the sun or the angle the heli is can cause optical illusions. I follow my instincts based on the last known orientation "i know" I was in. Then I test with the sticks and give some input to the sticks. If the heli responds other than I think I will do what I can to recover.

Going tail in always work but before I go tail in I verify orientation by giving a quick piro.

I learned 3d with a 500 and kept it at least 100 ft. Learning to fly high is important because its cheaper that way.

Once orientations come naturally flying really becomes enjoyable. Good luck.

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10-15-2010 06:14 AM  8 years agoPost 39
Terrabit

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Last summer I flew my vbar 700N into the sun while rounding a turn. I was completely blinded for several seconds and marginally blinded for a while after that. My heli was moving at a good clip to make it more interesting. I flew it from memory. I just eased out of the turn and moved the sticks to a more nutral position (center). I had conceded that she was going in but she didn't. I got lucky.

I used to crash every other day and twice on Tuesdays. The one thing that's different today is I don't panic - as much. And I crash less because of it.

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10-15-2010 06:59 AM  8 years agoPost 40
BLUETHUNDER

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I use Callie Graphics on my helis to help me see them better.

http://www.callie-graphics.com/helicopters.php

A set of Quick UK Flourescent colored skids will help also.

http://www.quickuk.eu/cat/general_parts.html

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