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10-14-2010 04:20 PM  8 years agoPost 1
gflight

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Hello All,
I have been flying for about a year, once every few weeks and the problems I am having is that I loose orientation of the heli at higher elevations, above 50 ft. Then I miss correct and crash hard. Any tips on keeping orientation, what do you look at?

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10-14-2010 04:23 PM  8 years agoPost 2
Adaboy

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When you loose orientation at +50 ft can you still tell if the heli is up right or inverted?

Sounds like were cooking with gas....

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10-14-2010 04:48 PM  8 years agoPost 3
LONEWOLF2440

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Easy dont go 50 feet try different canopy colors like neon yellow on top and neon red on the bottom of the canopy

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10-14-2010 04:51 PM  8 years agoPost 4
chopper_crazy

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^^^^+1
I would make sure you have a different color paint on the bottom of the canopy as opposed to the top of the canopy. Another thing that I have heard of is guys putting different colored skids on their landing gear.

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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10-14-2010 04:52 PM  8 years agoPost 5
sharam

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This may seem counterintuitive but you need to fly at altitudes of 300 ft and get used to being able to distinguish which way the heli is oriented.

I have taught a lot of people to fly helis on a buddy box and I have found that getting them to fly at a great distance and altitude, is the best way to teach them to keep their orientation.

Get someone who can take you up on a buddy box and within a few sessions you will be amazed at what a difference it makes.

Verba volant, scripta manet

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10-14-2010 04:52 PM  8 years agoPost 6
SuperSixTwo

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Gflight-

When i only had a year in, i to would loose it all the time.
My advice is practice what you know. Even if your just doing tail in hovering. Move to side ways and figure 8s and such. Sim time helps, although i am not a big fan of them.

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10-14-2010 05:29 PM  8 years agoPost 7
greenboot

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How is your eyesight? Good vision is really important. If your glasses need changing, that would cause a problem.

Tom

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10-14-2010 05:33 PM  8 years agoPost 8
GyroFreak

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Lots of bright colors to identify which way it is pointing.
Like this. (give me a few mins to post pics)


Note red and green skid covers (pool noodles)
Ugly canopy is red (dayglo) on one side and yellow on the other. Still crashing as you can tell by the cracks.
EDIT:
Tail boom wraped in dayglo vynl
Tail skids bright orange dayglo.
.
All that and it doesn't help my dumb thumbs

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10-14-2010 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Zaneman007

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Three thoughts.

1. fly higher.

2. Paint the canopy bright neon colors. One on top and another on the bottom.

3. Dont Panic.

Old Guys Rule!

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10-14-2010 05:53 PM  8 years agoPost 10
2tall

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Great topic GFLIGHT. I have the same issues and really appreciate all the responses/suggestions.

"Pay attention...lest the ground rise up and smite thee."

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10-14-2010 06:19 PM  8 years agoPost 11
SlabBro

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Havana, IL

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From personal experience, and a crash the other day, I would make sure your eyes are OK. I thought I was fine and then found out that I was 20/50 in my right eye, and the left was carrying the load. I had the glasses already coming when the crash happened but I have noticed many times since I started flying helis this year that there times when things were a blur. Twilight was a big culprit, but I used a friends glasses for a few mins that were really close to mine and a lot of the hazing was gone with corrected vision. 50ft. on up is not very high, have your eyes checked just for a piece of mind.

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10-14-2010 06:31 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Swoop

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Its not as much what you can see, its what you know, and what the heli's trajectory was right before you lost it. For instance, say you are flying a high altitude circuit, and all of the sudden the heli seems to have changed orientaion, its likely, its just shadows playing tricks on you. If you entered the turn upright and heading in the right direcction, just let the heli fly through the turn even if it looks like its changed directions. Keeping giving a little back elevator coupled with rudder. Let muscle memory fly it through the turn. Don't make any knee jerk corrections until it flys into an orientation thats easier to see.

If all else fails, begin piroetting and you will quickly see which way its going.

Chris
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10-14-2010 06:35 PM  8 years agoPost 13
nickt919

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I have been flying for about a year, once every few weeks and the problems I am having is that I loose orientation of the heli at higher elevations, above 50 ft..........
After just one year, getting out to fly every few weeks is not a lot of stick time. For most in this hobby it doesn't come easy or fast. Then again, it usually takes the older guys longer to become proficient than it does for younger guys. Don't even ask how long it took or how much fuel I burned for me to fly and be comfortable in all upright orientations. Patience is the key if you do not want to crash.

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10-14-2010 06:39 PM  8 years agoPost 14
GyroFreak

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Here is one of my typical 'lost orentation' crashes, with on board video.

Watch at YouTube

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-14-2010 07:25 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Adaboy

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Let muscle memory fly it through the turn. Don't make any knee jerk corrections until it flys into an orientation thats easier to see.
+1

Sounds like were cooking with gas....

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10-14-2010 07:42 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Rogman88

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Let muscle memory fly it through the turn. Don't make any knee jerk corrections until it flys into an orientation thats easier to see.
Good stuff there. What types of stuff are you doing when you get disoriented? Are you trying new things? Going into orientations that you aren't familiar with or piroetting into trouble?

Edit: Here's a post I did a while back regarding disorientation.
One trick that I do to buy time is quickly go to neutral on the collective. This will keep the heli from going faster towards wherever it shouldn't be going. The other thing is called a bailout maneuver. This is one thing that you do to help you get the heli oriented. My personal maneuver is the back flip. If I get in trouble I go to negative collective and start back flipping till the heli is in an orientation that I'm familiar with, and can orient to. I got that (back flip) from planks where I would just start looping until I could see where the airplane was going. Remember I stay at least a mistake high so that usually within a half back flip or so I know where the heli is and it's attitude. My cerebellum does the rest.

High Voltage just works better

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10-14-2010 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 17
iHover

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More stick time will also help.

You had me at Hover

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10-14-2010 08:48 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Husker

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Stay calm. Over 50ft high should give you time to correct if you don't panic. Loosing orientation shouldn't happen much if you are flying the heli rather than reacting to what it wants to do.

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10-14-2010 09:03 PM  8 years agoPost 19
cation3

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Smyrna, GA - USA

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Lots of bright colors to identify which way it is pointing.
Like this....
So... ummm, you're saying: DON'T fly this:


-Drew

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10-14-2010 09:10 PM  8 years agoPost 20
Swoop

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Loosing orientation shouldn't happen much if you are flying the heli rather than reacting to what it wants to do.
absolutely.

Chris
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