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10-14-2010 05:56 AM  8 years agoPost 21
littleman

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I have flown multiple versions of it. While its certainly getting better, I didnt like the tail especially, and it just didnt feel...right to me. The other things I dont love about it have less to do with the flying, and more to do with everything else, support among others.
A.J.

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10-14-2010 06:11 AM  8 years agoPost 22
xlkb

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Do you think the cyclic augmentation is any better?

John

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10-14-2010 06:46 AM  8 years agoPost 23
littleman

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the cyclic can be tweaked exactly how you want it to be. For me and my setup, it feels like an awesome flybar setup in tight maneuvers and stops, and tracks like nothin i've felt (in a good way) This is in addtion to the inherent efficiency gains that any fbl system will give you.
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10-14-2010 07:01 AM  8 years agoPost 24
Band1086

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I started with 4.0 a couple years ago. It was very good in most ways except for the latency issue, nevertheless I really liked it. I helped my buddy to set up his 3G unit(original V) on his 700E...it was scary to fly due to the bobble. We increased mechanical resolution quite a bit and it helped a lot...but it was the first version. I recently got two Total G's and so I'm making a back to back comparison between them and my VB 5.0. So far I'm still more used to the 5.0, but the TG is very impressive. I'm anxious to do more tweaking and testing!!!

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10-14-2010 07:07 AM  8 years agoPost 25
OICU812

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Vbar actually has the 3 axis gyros that truly speak to each other, this is not the case in 3G, Also "real true piro compensation" exists in Vbar, 3G this also is non existent. They call it that, but well, it simply is NOT. Also with vbar you do NOT need a seperate RX if you run Spektrum only you need a sattelite and if FS machine two of those, so there is BIG money savings there as well. For those that got V5,0 pro now the Governor as well will be free and included, another savings. Start adding up the differences in RX, Governor, Logging for trouble shooting, and to top it off far superior performance.. the difference is over whelming and the flight differences are night and day period.

Vbar is the first, experience and it shows, flew the most recent contenders and still vbar is on top. Easy to setup, lots of support and it just works. YES I am biased but I am also very honest on these topics.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-14-2010 07:21 AM  8 years agoPost 26
philip 01

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started fbl with a 3g. thought it was great. didn't know any better after flying fb for many years.

then i installed a vbar 5.0 with a very basic setup like i had in my 3g.

now i know better. big difference.

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10-14-2010 09:58 AM  8 years agoPost 27
ez2bgman

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HeliCommand HC-3X
The HC-3X is also a top contender. It too is a single unit that will accept 2 satellite receivers. It's has an extremely small footprint. The included software has numerous adjustments.

You can set it up to fly like an FB machine yet with all the benifits of FBL. Or you can set it up to very stable for camera work, etc.

I love the way my 700N flies with it and I'm still fine tuning it to my style. The HC-3X is absolutely awesome.

Here are a couple pics:

Gary
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10-14-2010 04:23 PM  8 years agoPost 28
g_dmitry

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Vbar actually has the 3 axis gyros that truly speak to each other, this is not the case in 3G, Also "real true piro compensation" exists in Vbar, 3G this also is non existent. They call it that, but well, it simply is NOT. Also with vbar you do NOT need a seperate RX if you run Spektrum only you need a sattelite and if FS machine two of those, so there is BIG money savings there as well. For those that got V5,0 pro now the Governor as well will be free and included, another savings. Start adding up the differences in RX, Governor, Logging for trouble shooting, and to top it off far superior performance..
+ on top of that, 3G does not work in "heading hold" mode for cyclic like others systems do.

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10-14-2010 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 29
Zaneman007

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Looks like I have to repeat what has been repeated:
Reps OPINIONS don't count.
And....

Reps fly and PUSH what they are representing, period.

Old Guys Rule!

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10-15-2010 12:22 AM  8 years agoPost 30
helicraze

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I have flown VBAR V3/V4 and V5 also the 3G V2 system.

If 3G is your first flybarless system you will not complain. Its difficult for people to understand how good something is, much like the people that resisted and said they are happy with their flybar heli, then went to 3G and went woah baby.
Again vbar is a step above.

I put the 3G/rondo/beastx/HK vbar in the same basket (not that i have flown them all, and the vbar/skookum/ac3x in the premium range.

The vbar really is superior, after all they have 10 years experience in flybarless.

If you have flown vbar and do not like it, its simple you don't know how to setup your heli, or are not a good enough pilot to appreciate how much more precise it is.
Not saying you cannot fly smack hard 3D etc etc but its much harder to do, the pros do such a good job as they correct everything on the fly, for me i rather a heli be a little easier to fly so i don't punish myself.
PS i sold the 3G heli.

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10-15-2010 12:43 AM  8 years agoPost 31
OICU812

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Looks like I have to repeat what has been repeated:

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Reps OPINIONS don't count.

And....

Reps fly and PUSH what they are representing, period.

Old Guys Rule!
That's close minded. Have you considered some reps including myself have setup and flown the other systems out there? Have you considered some reps including myself tell it like it is?

Not all grapes are pulled from same branch and all as they say.

As said 3G is ok, depends what you want. Many electronics, you can not know the differences until you try others and then base on your own experience.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-15-2010 02:10 AM  8 years agoPost 32
fmalzoni

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My first flybarless system was a 3G, and I liked it a lot, my T-Rex 600E flew way better with the 3G than with flybar. Then I bought a 700E 3G and liked it as well. At IRCHA 2010 I installed a mini V-Bar on the 700E and Shawn and Frederik did the setup for me. At the first flight I realized how awesome the V-Bar 5.0 really is. The 3G is not a bad system, but the V-Bar is better.
Here are some of the differences that I found:

The pyro consistency of the V-Bar is way better;
With the V-Bar the rotor disk stays at the same plane doing pirouettes, it doesn't drift at all.
With the V-Bar, there are no pitch ups and downs at full speed and full collective.

On the good side I think that the 3G helped more people, like myself, to try a flybarless system and made the competition lower its prices.

Now my 600 and 450 have a V-Bar.

Felipe.

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10-15-2010 02:29 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Zaneman007

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It is not close minded.

I just discount whatever a rep says. That is my option.

I had a "Rep" tell me my "experience" was wrong. What an eye opener !

I had a "Rep" who was in my opinion honest!

A rep is paid or subsidized to promote a product, period.

Close minded would be to say that a "reps" opinion on his product is unbiased.

And "pros" know it all.

Now, That would be close minded.

All I am saying is .... only believe 50% or less of what you read on this forum, and some. Well less than that.

I'm not taking shots at anyone.

Old Guys Rule!

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10-15-2010 02:29 AM  8 years agoPost 34
Kevin Dalrymple

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On the good side I think that the 3G helped more people, like myself, to try a flybarless system and made the competition lower its prices.
+1 on that. But now i am all Total G. Vbar is another great system. I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I would like to fly the BeastX to compare.

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10-15-2010 02:37 AM  8 years agoPost 35
RACER7696

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microbeast blows em all away

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10-15-2010 02:40 AM  8 years agoPost 36
OICU812

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Fair enough Zane filter wisely there are some raw or unknown opinions out there indeed.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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10-15-2010 02:42 AM  8 years agoPost 37
FenwayRick

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Zaneman007
[quote]It is not close minded.

I just discount whatever a rep says. That is my option.

I had a "Rep" tell me my "experience" was wrong. What an eye opener !

I had a "Rep" who was in my opinion honest!

A rep is paid or subsidized to promote a product, period.

Close minded would be to say that a "reps" opinion on his product is unbiased.

And "pros" know it all.

Now, That would be close minded.

All I am saying is .... only believe 50% or less of what you read on this forum, and some. Well less than that.

I'm not taking shots at anyone.

Perhaps you should consider talking to Reps at funflies, because those statements could not be further from the truth and it's very misleading, with that being said it appears someone had given you bad info at one time, but that doesn't mean all Reps are evil.

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10-15-2010 02:44 AM  8 years agoPost 38
fmalzoni

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Just to clarify, I'm not a "Rep"

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10-15-2010 06:27 PM  8 years agoPost 39
red_z06

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Reps opinions dont count
+1

Reps should limit to answering technical questions and avoid involving themselves in "My Schwarz is bigger" contest. This should be left to brand fans.

If a rep behaves in a respectable manner, he/she using that product would mean much more to average user than trying to sound like a salesman.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-15-2010 06:45 PM  8 years agoPost 40
Zaneman007

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Perhaps you should consider talking to Reps at funflies, because those statements could not be further from the truth and it's very misleading, with that being said it appears someone had given you bad info at one time, but that doesn't mean all Reps are evil.
You have just MISS-understood everything that I was getting acrossed.

Point is....

A JR rep will recommend a JR radio.

A futaba rep will recommend a Futaba radio.

A Hitech rep will recommend a Hiteck radio.

Where is the objectivity in that?

I'm just saying, listen, filter, and look for any signage on the signature like "Team JR", "kong Power", "Next-D".

Make up your own mind and disregard comments like;
If you have flown vbar and do not like it, its simple you don't know how to setup your heli, or are not a good enough pilot to appreciate how much more precise it is.
I mean come on....

This guy is basically calling everyone who doesn't agree with him "stupid" or a "poor pilot".

And once someone starts calling you names, walk away.

Cause, Ya can't cure stupid.

I'm out of here.

Old Guys Rule!

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