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10-12-2010 05:51 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Santiago P

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IF YOU OWN ONE!

What would you recoment as a good all around 600size electric heli and WHY? (is it stable, dependable, 3D capable, affordable or not, easy to build...) Please, dont just say I love the brand X 600, is awesome.
Ideally to operate on 6S

Compass 600
Trex 600
Logo
JR ???
Furion 6
Raptor 550e or 620
Hirobo SDX E
Others??

Thank you

Santiago

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10-12-2010 05:58 PM  8 years agoPost 2
sonnyhad

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Do you want a Chevy or a Cadillac? If money is no object, well then you can't go wrong with the Min Air. But there are a bunch of good heli's out there. Avant is another one to look at. Both made in the USA.

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10-12-2010 06:02 PM  8 years agoPost 3
RCSavager

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I am trying to help a friend that is starting in helis, electric to be specific.
Have a long talk with your friend and show him the danger involved in a 600-sized bird. Then explain to him that he should start with a 450-sized bird until he learns how to fly. He may not understand today but months from now when he's ready for a larger bird he will thank you.

I think that a 600-sized bird is NOT one to own to learn how to fly. If the danger doesn't affect him try repair costs that he WILL incur during his learning curve (read: curse) which is quite steep. Remember, these things aren't planks.

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10-12-2010 06:06 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Ronald Thomas

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Ideally to operate on 6S
3D capable,
All for a beginner? You really don't want a 6s 600mm blades heli to learn on. When his skills progress, he will quickly outgrow the power system for a heli that size. The Trex600E is a great example of that...........Ron

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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10-12-2010 06:16 PM  8 years agoPost 5
sonnyhad

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Myself, I took someones advice and started with a 450, then soon after, I found a deal on a 600, they all thought I was nutts! I wished I'd never bought the 450. The 600 sized is, in my opinion, the better choice, much more stable. RCHeli Mag had an article on which size is best for a beginner, and they concurred, that the 50 size is a good one because it can be adapted as the skills grow. I would first say that before your buddy buys his heli, he thinks it over and spends some money on a good simulator. If he learns to fly on that, then, get the heli!

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10-12-2010 06:22 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Santiago P

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Clarifications;

EDITED

3D is something on the bottom of the list, however, reliability is towards the top. Price is important and so is value. (I recognize Logos are worth every penny)

thanks again!

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10-12-2010 06:27 PM  8 years agoPost 7
bhoff

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check out my gallery,i have the trex 600 i traded my nitro for the electric and i absolutely love it!! there is plenty of room to work with it, u can always upgrade the esc and motor when he wants insane power although it stock is already insane power! i run mine on a 6s and i love it...also the parts for the align are EVERYWHERE, thats a big thing to think about especially as a beginner! very stable, very fun, has tons of power i hope this helped..

heres a video of me flying and running out of battery upside down lol, first crash..but the blades were scrapped up at the ends in this flight due to prior take off servo wire was fully plugged in so it was glitchin and as i was taking off it scrapped the ground i managed to save it but it scrapped mains and the tail blades..messed up my whole flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icHP4aZ2Vd0

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10-12-2010 06:40 PM  8 years agoPost 8
RCSavager

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I have been teaching for 25 plus years, I recomend 50 size helis because of their stability, IF the beginer is supervised and trained personnaly.
I'm not trying to start a war here. I'm only saying that in MY own personal opinion you are doing their wallet a disservice and increasing the danger level during their learning curve. If you've been flying helis for a few years you would know that. A 450 crashes for 50-100 dollars versus 200+ for a 600. Then consider the 600mm blade going through someone's chest because you thought it was a good idea for a beginner to have a large bird to learn on. The ONLY way you can insure safety is to fly them high with a trainer cord and store the bird at your house so they don't get brave when you're not around.

Just my humble $.02 from a guy that taught his wife to fly a sim and 450 before she moved up to a 500 and now a Logo FBL 600. Bottom line of the CC card says that it was a smart move to learn on a 450 with 600 training gear before moving to something swinging blade-tips at 200+mph (that will go through a car door).

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10-12-2010 06:51 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Rogman88

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I learned on a 450 before I had a good sim and I don't know if I could have afforded the crashes incurred if it were a 600. As a noob I didn't have the reaction to hit throttle hold and put the heli in under power many times thus increasing my damage two fold. I was a very compitant planker prior to helis and the best thing I ever got was a good sim. I had a cheapo sim that had poor physics and barely taught me orientations.
In your friends case, you will be there to supervise. He will have a good sim (phoenix or RF) that he will master moves on before attempting on his 600 then I say go with a 600. I didn't realize deficiencies in my Trex 600 until my skills progressed to a point that I could actually test the air frame and started stripping gears/horns etc with a 12S FBL setup.

High Voltage just works better

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10-12-2010 06:59 PM  8 years agoPost 10
RCSavager

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Quote
MoneyPitVictim wrote on 10-12-2010 11:50 AM:
Hi RCSavager

Again, I apreciate the your concern. I am only after the PM topic matter.

Santiago

Reply:
Hi MoneyPitVictim

If you don't want other people's opinion don't ask for it. I was very polite in my posts instead of saying I think you're a fool for recommending a 600-class bird for a learning platform. If you want to teach folks on YOUR 600 then by all means go for it. Suggesting they drop ~$2000 to learn to fly helis is insane and extremely dangerous. If you don't want that told to you then you need to ask folks that will give you the answers you want to hear and not ask in an open forum where we will tell you what you need to know.

Again, just my $.02

MorningNitro.com
I'm not saying anything, I'm just saying... you asked.

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10-12-2010 07:03 PM  8 years agoPost 11
dchekas

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There's nothing wrong with learning to fly with a 600 class helicopter, provided the student has: A computer simulator, and has a mentor to learn from.

I taught myself to hover in all 4 orientations using the sim, and setup and built my first helicopter, a .30 size Nitro, with only Runryder as my source of information.

I crashed less then 4 times over the course of about 60+ flights. Did I have some expensive lessons? Yes, mostly due to the lack of having any outside support.

The biggest problem is the cost of such a setup, and the potential to not like the hobby or want to stick with it.

One of my best friends is learning to fly now, and his first helicopter is a Compass Knight 3D. He has Phoenix, a DX7, and an older, but still very good electronic setup. He leaned on my knowledge a lot to begin with, but he's successfully put on about 50 flights, and has had 0 crashes.

Nothings for certain.

Team Align, Team Futaba, Team Byron Fuels, Team Thunder Power

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10-12-2010 07:20 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Santiago P

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All,
I removed some lines on the 1st post to keep the focus on 600 heli hands on experience. I appreciate all comments from everyone’s so far.

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10-12-2010 08:07 PM  8 years agoPost 13
ChuckJrster

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To me, a 600 size heli (Nitro and/or Electric) is the perfect size to learn on. Just my 2 cents.

Chuck

Team Pilot for RCHeliWorkz

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10-12-2010 08:11 PM  8 years agoPost 14
LaurenceGough

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Logo 600.

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10-12-2010 09:01 PM  8 years agoPost 15
bhoff

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again the trex 600 you can get parts at almost every hobby shop, i own one so i know how it flies on a 6s setup and i fly mild 3d and it flies amazing and so did the nitro...BUT i have heard ALOT about the logo 600. but again the parts for the logo 600 are not carried at most hobby shops, if i did not do a trex 600 nitro trade for the trex 600e and i was able to buy one it prob. would have been the logo 600 just from videos ive seen and comments on its flying capability...again it is for a beginner he WILL NEED crash parts thats what i love about ALIGN..the only crash i have done on my 600 was of that video i posted earlier which only broke the landing skids and i had it back flyin that day thanks to rc hobby shop lol...i would do trex 600 for him he can have it forever i absolutely love mine! bone stock too!!

think about:

Crash parts: availability, parts cost (most align comes with 2 or 3 in one package ex. main shafts) alot of other brands are more expensive all around(parts, heli kits)

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10-12-2010 09:11 PM  8 years agoPost 16
SGrim80

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I wish I would have just learned on a 600 size heli instead of wasting the money buying every damn size until I settled on a 600 size 2 years into the hobby. I say if you friend thinks he's going to stay in the hobby go with a quality piece like a Logo 600 or a Furion 6.

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10-12-2010 09:32 PM  8 years agoPost 17
iHover

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The idea that you need to learn on a 450 is just ridiculous. People where learning to fly helis long before the 450 class every came out.
They learned on 30's and 50's.

You had me at Hover

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10-12-2010 10:04 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Santiago P

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The idea that you need to learn on a 450 is just ridiculous.
I wish I would have just learned on a 600 size heli instead of wasting the money buying every damn size until I settled on a 600
Thanks, I feel the same, Specially when you have someone to help you build, set up, and teach fly the heli (buddy box).
Now for someone learning on their own, it could be diferent...

now back to what I really wanna know

LaurenceGough
Is not the Logo 600 more like a 700 size? Tell me what is so great about it? I want details. What makes it special? Durability? presicion? Enriched plutonium plastic?

Anyone out there fly Compass? do they hold up, as well, better than a Trex?

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10-12-2010 10:11 PM  8 years agoPost 19
RCSavager

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A Compass is a hobby shop looking for it's next US distributor. The Align birds have distribution to nearly every RC heli shop in the US. If he's got coin falling out of his pant legs when he walks and wants a Ferrari then point him to Mikado or a Heinslet. This is no more than every other thread in the forums about "what heli should I buy?". The best comes with a price tag. If that's not an issue then you buy the best and hope he doesn't crash it. Mikado has ONE hobby shop in the country for parts and zero other US options. The Heinslet has zero US options period. If you want a bird that he can get back in the air within a week at decent coin you suggest an Align. Other birds are generally better built/supported and come with price tags to match.

Why start yet another thread about "what should I buy (suggest he buy)?"

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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10-12-2010 10:20 PM  8 years agoPost 20
ChuckJrster

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bhoff,

Well, there are some "Hobby Shops" who only cater to R/C Cars and actually frown and shun on us "Propeller Heads." But yes I agree, Align T-REX parts are probably the most readily available parts out there. That's why I fly Align Helis. Yes, there are more sophisticated and "nicer" helis on the market, but, for my budget, I had to go with what I could afford...including crashes! Just my 2 cents worth here guys.

Chuck

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