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10-11-2010 11:30 PM  8 years agoPost 1
cdolan92

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Hello to the RR Forums!

I'm looking to get into Aerial photography using a helicopter and a drop-mounting bracket for a Cannon/Nikon camera. I'll be purchasing everything from here on out, I intend to use none of my old RC parts.

Heres what I've been looking at:

TREX 600 -- Which varient should i get? I was thinking a Nitro, do I need Fibarless?

The photo ship One Aerio X :[url=http://photo shipone.com/ps1-products/aerioX/]
Looked pretty practical. They arent for sale right now though.

Anyone have a similar build to what I'm looking for?

Camera I was thinking of using:
Nikon dx40. Pretty sure its good at 475g (17 oz)

Again, I'm pretty new to this so any help is appreciated! I dont want to end up with a stupid rig that cant take decent photos!

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10-12-2010 02:37 AM  8 years agoPost 2
windy62

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I'd advise against the Nitro, the smoke becomes bothersome to the camera and your shots.

Electric is great, clean, quiet, no vibrations, powerful! But you may be limited on your flight time depending on battery usage.

Gas is Great! With the proper mount vibes are not an issue, looong flight times, lots of power, cheap to fly.

windy62

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10-12-2010 02:48 AM  8 years agoPost 3
gill4321

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as luck would have it Im selling a trex 600 AP ship. Its been great. Did a little video with it and a little snap and shoot. heres the link

https://rc.runryder.com/t612412p1/

I use both gasser and electric and by far electric is easiest but limited to flying time. the gasser is just an animal:P

Gill P

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10-12-2010 03:18 AM  8 years agoPost 4
tott

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10-12-2010 04:21 PM  8 years agoPost 5
cdolan92

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Thanks for all the informative replies.

How long of a flight time can an electric post while carriying ~3 LBs of weight? I cannot imagine i need more than a 5-10 min flight time, although it would be a bit annoying to recharge this (or invest in 3 or more batteries) while im trying to get as many shots as possible on a nice day.

Another thing to keep in mind, I will be using this in 6000-8000 ft. altitude.

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10-12-2010 09:07 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Chris Bergen

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Another thing to keep in mind, I will be using this in 6000-8000 ft. altitude.
Then I would also suggest electric, as anything with a carb is going to be difficult to tune AND have power to fly with weight.

New battery technology allows recharging certain li-po's at up to 5c rate, drastically lowering the time to charge a battery or set of batteries.

Something else to consider is not only the weight of the camera, but also whatever structure is needed to mount the camera, and if you want to be able to move the camera (pan and tilt). It all adds up to needing more power, and more blade span.

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10-15-2010 04:01 PM  8 years agoPost 7
comet

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you probably noticed that flying at 7000 amsl takes more power than flying at sea level, because of the lower air density; solve the carburation issue and you still need a bit more power than @0...
i second the use of an electric helicopter, or a gasser which would be bigger and heavier
i would start off with a 600/620mm blade machine, and eventuelly stretch it later
use a motor with a kv on the low side when you identified the machine (and gearing and voltage) you will use, and get a good motor with good bearings
7 to 10s should be plenty enough
and keep everything light and simple
ps: with a one pound camera + mount, you should even be good with 550mm's blades

VT "slow&low"

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10-15-2010 04:24 PM  8 years agoPost 8
GyroFreak

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invest in 3 or more batteries
If investing in three or more batts bother you, then hold on to your wallet cause it's going to be a bumpy ride. I have spent a ton of money and still can't get any pictures worth a dam.
I'm not sure how much experience you have in helicopters, but even if you do, the vibration issue (even with electrics) is a tough issue to overcome.
The various camera mounts are not magic, they do help but a properly balanced machine is a must.
What seems to be a vibration free machine from the ground, will often return terrible pictures.
Sorry, don't want to sound discouraging, but it's tough, especially if you do video.

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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10-18-2010 05:06 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Louisiana Helicam

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I have spent a ton of money and still can't get any pictures worth a dam.
Why not?
the vibration issue (even with electrics) is a tough issue to overcome.
No...it isn't
What seems to be a vibration free machine from the ground, will often return terrible pictures.
Huh?
Sorry, don't want to sound discouraging, but it's tough, especially if you do video.
Ok, you're close on that one.

Looks like much of this guy's setup will have to be prescribed via PM...as was mine way back in the day.

www.louisianahelicam.com

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10-19-2010 12:14 AM  8 years agoPost 10
comet

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Sorry, don't want to sound discouraging, but it's tough, especially if you do video.
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Ok, you're close on that one.
i do not see the difference , in that matter, between Ap and AV

sould the shot durate 1/20 or 1/2000, even in raw, if it vibrates, it is going to vibrate.
if it does not vibrate, then you are good

VT "slow&low"

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10-19-2010 12:27 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Louisiana Helicam

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Video cameras with rolling shutters have issues of their own. Vibration is only part of the problem with them. When did the original topic starter mention anything about video though?

www.louisianahelicam.com

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10-19-2010 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 12
comet

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5d's do not seem to have any rolling shutter issues
although it is a cmos sensor
why is it such ?

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10-19-2010 12:49 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Louisiana Helicam

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Not what I've heard. But again...off topic.

www.louisianahelicam.com

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10-20-2010 05:07 AM  8 years agoPost 14
cdolan92

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Video would be a plus, but its not at all what im after...

Only goal is to make 3-d panoramic photos of the Club i work for...

Golf course holes, real estate listings etc

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10-20-2010 03:18 PM  8 years agoPost 15
Louisiana Helicam

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In that case, you may want to go with the PS1 VR360 mount rather than the Aerio X. I have the VR360 with the optional oblique gimbal. Works great.

www.louisianahelicam.com

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10-20-2010 10:59 PM  8 years agoPost 16
timscott1967

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I have been using a Vario benzin 27cc and photohigher mount for 12 months now and it works great. I run 3 picloc's and once you figure them out they work a treat. It has taken ages to get it righ, sorting out the vibrations, but it can be done with a lot of work. There is a lot of work preparing it for a shoot, mainly checks and all the gear you need to take. What is really frustrating is tuning the engine every day as when the atmospheric conditions change you need to retune, others might leave it but if you want no vibes this has to be done daily.

Ok now I'll be shot down for what I'm about to write.

I now run a mikrokopter oktokopter with a 550d. How easy is this. Minimal checks. No vibrations at all. Gps hold, altitude hold, waypoints navigation, gyro stabilized camera mount. 8min flight time,quiet, will not chop your head off, full google map live info of position, alt, heading,batt life, Tx rx condition, thrust etc. It doesn't get any easier. Cost about $5k. Downside you need to be a computer whizz and expert solder to build it. Vario benzin cost Inc mount about $10k

Anyway my thoughts from experience.

Cheers

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10-21-2010 03:12 PM  8 years agoPost 17
GyroFreak

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Ok now I'll be shot down for what I'm about to write.
Nothing wrong with that, a new technology that seems to work. I guess some will complain it probably has no auto rotation capabilities, but it works for you for AP.
Do you have any video of your octocopter flying ?

Paul

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10-21-2010 06:43 PM  8 years agoPost 18
comet

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despite the poor trajectories, multicopters are a fine solution for lifting a camera with no vibs

VT "slow&low"

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10-22-2010 12:01 AM  8 years agoPost 19
timscott1967

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This was the 4th flight shot with the 550d and very heavy 10-22 lens. Shot at 10mm. It was blowing 15kts above the tree and my flying was not smooth as you can see with lens distortion. It was only early days and things are a lot better now. Just showing what can be done with no testing!!!
http://vimeo.com/m/#/15731411

On the no autorotation issue. Working on a parachute that deploys with no Tx rx connection. Therefore if things go wrong turn off the Tx, shuts down everything and parachute opens.

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