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10-13-2010 10:49 AM  8 years agoPost 61
LONEWOLF2440

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MYRTLE BEACH S.C

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Want a Hastle Get a CASTLE

MIKADO LOGO 600 TREX 550

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10-13-2010 01:41 PM  8 years agoPost 62
flymustangs

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Idaho

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Well, I'm not a Castle (or Kontronik) fanboy, but I can say I've used a couple of them and never had any trouble. I had a 110HV on a 90 size Bergen Tazer and an ICE 80HV on a Logo 600.

I don't have the Tazer size anymore and the Logo 600 now has a Jive on it. Without a doubt the Jive was easier to set up. The governor seems to hold better as well, but I don't think it's "night and day" like some claim.

The only heli ESC I've ever had fail was a Jive, but that was my fault not the Jive's.

I'm building another Logo 600 right now and I'm planning on a ICE 80HV on it. The real reason is so I can try out the new governor coming out for the vbar. At present, the Jive can't be used with the vbar governor. I've heard rumors that it will eventually, but that will require buying a new ESC or sending one back for an update.

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10-13-2010 02:14 PM  8 years agoPost 63
RCSavager

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Topeka, KS

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Castle Cremations and their new slogan. "Want a hastle, buy a Castle".

Priceless!!

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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10-13-2010 08:30 PM  8 years agoPost 64
Bouchah

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Willow Spring, N. Carolina USA

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Is it more so the BEC circuits with Castle ESC that cause most of the problems, or is it the actual motor control portion of the ESC?

Blade 130x (5)
Trex 550 V2 (18)
Shuttle ZXX
Freya Xspec (20)

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10-13-2010 09:14 PM  8 years agoPost 65
STR8HUCKIN

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lodi ca

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Im not sure. But on the ones I have seen burn there is not much left to inspect.

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10-13-2010 09:37 PM  8 years agoPost 66
misfits0311

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Santa Clarita, CA - USA

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Your Honor, I would like this marked as people's 1 for the record.

https://rc.runryder.com/t600981p1/

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10-14-2010 03:56 AM  8 years agoPost 67
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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Alright you bunch of quoters....Show me the threads about the tens of thousands of CC ESC's that didn't fail....Oh damn...that's right,nobody says a word until they fail.

That said,since there is only a dozen or so threads,that means the other million or so ESC's must be OK.

Seriously....you see two or three reports of a failure,they must be junk.

Didn't someone post in this thread that CC drops 20,000 units a month?

Sorry,but I haven't seen a problem yet.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-14-2010 04:04 AM  8 years agoPost 68
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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If CC puts out 100,000 units and 100 fail,that's bad.

If Kon puts out 10,000 units and 10 fail...it's a tie

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-14-2010 04:28 AM  8 years agoPost 69
flymustangs

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Idaho

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There's a post on another forum from a fellow in Austria. He says he's seen more Kontronik failures than any other ESC. Why, because the Kontroniks are more widely used there. Go figure.

He did say he's never seen a Jive catch on fire, though.

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10-14-2010 05:09 AM  8 years agoPost 70
Spitfire1

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Perth Australia

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My take on it is this, most esc`s dont catch fire occasionaly they do.

If you buy an esc and it never catches fire then you will trust that brand and think they are the best, if it catches fire you wont ever buy one again and think there junk, its just luck.

Also as is mentioned the more they sell the more people will get ones that fail.

The thing I dont like about all this CC stuff is when I hear people buying a new ALign heli with a perfectly good 100 amp esc, and there convinced they need to replace it with a smaller CC85 esc when theres nothing wrong with the 100 amp they already have, further more the 100 amp will take more amps than the 85 will. thats why its a 100 amp esc and not an 85 amp esc, its not brain science.

"Urgh I fly hard hard 3d so I need to use a CC85 amp esc because my flying style is so hard that an Align 100 amp esc will catch fire!"

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10-14-2010 05:21 AM  8 years agoPost 71
Futura SE

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Fayetteville, Arkansas

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A Kontronik will catch fire if you put a Castle sticker on it I mean come on, everyone knows that.

This is just a bash fest and I very much am a Kontronik fan, but this has become a punchline thread. Don't get me wrong I like "Castle Cremations", but...

I just wish Castle would get their act together and be just as good as a Kontronik and someone else would too. Kontronik prices would fall and it would benefit all of us.

I mean remember when ANY gyro worth owning was way over $200 for the gyro alone. Got to love competition. You want Kontronik to come down on price, then Castle or whoever has to beat them in price, quality and performance. That WILL CAUSE a price drop and we the consumer win. If there were 2-3 top notch, dead reliable choices what part of that is not to like.

People say Castle is way cheaper. When they have a big monster dead reliable BEC built in that takes 12S than you can compare. Until then Castle is not in Kontronik's league.

Norman Ross Jr.

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10-14-2010 06:35 AM  8 years agoPost 72
Band1086

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Kennewick, Wa. USA

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I have had all 700 size E's now for a couple of years. I started with Jeti spin esc's, they work great. They are medium in terms of cost. And they program and data log very easily with the spin box. I've also had a couple of Jive ESC's in the last year, an 80HV and a 120HV. Quality units for sure. However I have noticed it very critical to have the gearing it wants. There is some variability with TC adjustment, but you don't have the option to set particular HS's in the ESC. It sort of controls itself based on gearing and TC's. The gov works very well though when set up properly. In June I got an Ice Hv120 , coupled it with a KDE/Neu 1917 N42. That combo works pretty well, but I get some tail kick under extreme conditions, when I hammer the thro hard...that motor is a monster and comes on HARD. I also have a couple of Ice HV80's. All CC's have had service advisories taken care of. The only two failures I've had yet has been the Jive 120 and an old 75A Align. All others have done very well. BTW for anyone interested I have a New in factory sealed package v9 Jive 120HV for sale in the classifieds

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10-14-2010 06:59 AM  8 years agoPost 73
Al Austria

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Sacramento, CA - USA

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I like my CC 85HV, nearly 400 hard 3D flights on my T-REX 700E conversion and absolutely no issues!

Watch at YouTube

I've also got an ICE 100 in another machine that has almost 200 hard 3D flights on it, and a CC BEC(V1) with around 50 hard 3D flights on it. Numerous other Castle ESC's on some fixed wing aircraft and no problems either.

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I can't say that I've had any real issues with my Castle Cremations products...

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10-14-2010 11:09 AM  8 years agoPost 74
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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I like my CC 85HV, nearly 400 hard 3D flights on my T-REX 700E conversion and absolutely no issues
Didn't you tell me a capacitor fell off of that one or was that a different CC controller?

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10-14-2010 02:47 PM  8 years agoPost 75
RCSavager

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Topeka, KS

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BTW for anyone interested I have a New in factory sealed package v9 Jive 120HV for sale in the classifieds
If there's no difference then I'll give you a CC ICE HV120 for it. And to keep all the features even I'll even toss in a CC Pro BEC on the deal.

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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10-14-2010 03:17 PM  8 years agoPost 76
Band1086

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^^

There is some difference in performance, but a lot in cost!
The gov is better and built in BEC, but other than that I can't tell a difference. Is that worth twice the price?...in certain situations, yes. But twice the price is not for everyone, ie shoestring budget guys!

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10-14-2010 05:48 PM  8 years agoPost 77
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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you guys with the Kontroniks...when you ESC browns-out and your model plows in, how do you explain that?

At least with the Castle ESC you get a data logger that can tell you what screwed up - likely you!

Before you bash the ESC or BEC, or whatever, when it comes to the electrics, maybe you should check to make sure:

1. your motor kv & gearing is setup correct for the headspeed you want

2. your pinion-main gear mesh has been set after the gears are warmed up (they do expand from friction, the tighter they get, the hotter they get, the more prone to melting and the higher the current draw)

3. your soldering is done properly, that means enough solder, enough copper contacting the connector and insuring no cold joints and no deterioration.

4. your model doesn't have other vibration issues. Did you actually check your blade balance? According to Ray Hostettler, in his, idk 30-years of being involved in RC helis he hasn't seen a CF blade come out of a box perfectly balanced.

5. you're not trying to pull more pitch than your power system can handle. Why are you trying to pull +/-14* collective and 10* cyclic? Have you ever watched a pro's sticks when they fly? They seldom ever go to the extremes. You don't need retarded pitch to fly like the pros, you DO need better collective management.

6. your model doesn't have the right size blades on it for the model weight and pitch range. If you're trying to lug a 12lb model around on 690mm blades and pull 14* of pitch, plus whatever crazy cyclic, don't be surprised if it flies like a dog and/or you start smoking components.

Beyond all that, yes, Castle could improve their customer service, repair service and quality control. If it does indeed cost more to implement, are you willing to pay for it?

I hope Castle is listening or someone forwards this post to the owner or manager there.

BTW, I have flown with a:
CC PHX ICE 80HV
CC PHX ICE 100
BEC Pro V1
CC PHX 35
- and no problems with these components.

- Dan Goldstein
Team Revolectrix

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10-14-2010 06:00 PM  8 years agoPost 78
Ronald Thomas

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Gainesville, Fl, USA

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I have never had a brown out with a Kontronics BEC. Some had a software issue that needed updates because people went outside the guidelines of what the manufacturer specified so I sent mine in as a precaution but I also stayed within the guidelines.
To be crystal clear....The "issue" was NOT a Kontronics issue, it was a user issue. If you used the BEC as it was specified, there was never an issue at all.
On the other hand I have seen no less than 5 separate accounts of CC BECs failing to the OPEN position and sending main pack voltage to the electronics frying everything Those were well within the guidelines from CC also. I would rather repair an airframe than pay for cyclic servos, tail servos, FBL unit, and rxs again No comparison here.

Team MikadoUSA 480XXTreme, 550SX, 600SX, 700XXTreme, 800XXTreme!!

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10-14-2010 06:03 PM  8 years agoPost 79
darkfa8

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Brick, NJ - USA

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like I said, I hope Castle is listening.

- Dan Goldstein
Team Revolectrix

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10-14-2010 06:11 PM  8 years agoPost 80
Al Austria

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Sacramento, CA - USA

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Didn't you tell me a capacitor fell off of that one or was that a different CC controller?
That was a CC 110HV that I got second hand. That particular ESC started life in a 100MPH Team Associated TC5 which I'm unsure how many runs it had made.

When I first bought it, I flew it in my first Swift 620SE for around 250 flights before totaling the heli. It also flew in my Outrage 550 for maybe 100 flights before I crashed it twice and sold it, and in my second Swift 620SE for maybe only 100 flights before I switched it out for an ICE 100.

When I first plugged 12S into it on my 700, it popped a capacitor, but I flew it anyways for less than 30 flights and I didn't have any issues. As per Bobby Smith's advice, I went with a CC 85HV and haven't looked back since!

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