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10-11-2010 07:09 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Azlum

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Terrabit... I agree... that was my whole point.

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10-11-2010 07:14 PM  8 years agoPost 22
billybob

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so what was your point?

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10-11-2010 07:41 PM  8 years agoPost 23
Azlum

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That you were completely fabricating the point that Castles have a "MUCH MUCH" higher failure rate than Kontronic.

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10-11-2010 08:02 PM  8 years agoPost 24
billybob

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O' i thought your point was about "I'd venture to say that nobody here has access to enough data to make an intelligent statistical analysis of any kind of probability related to this hobby, or likely anything else. 99% of the time when someone says 99% of the time, they have no idea what they're talking about. " at least that what you said was "my whole point"

now back to the original point. theres no fabricating , scroll through the esc section here on RR and count up failures and other forums(and those are just the ones we hear about). i'm going flying now, when i get back I want a statistical analysis on this thread

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10-11-2010 08:11 PM  8 years agoPost 25
Azlum

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Number of failures is a completely arbitrary value without comparing it to how many of each brand is in use.

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10-11-2010 08:20 PM  8 years agoPost 26
blackbird

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I send an 110HV ESC that was burned while hovering, in june and i am still waiting.....to send me back the new one!!!!!

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10-11-2010 08:46 PM  8 years agoPost 27
Azlum

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Wow that is awful.

Have you called them about it?

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10-11-2010 10:26 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Ronald Thomas

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I think the biggest issue is HOW the CC products fail and the explanation thereafter. When the BEC fails and takes out the rest of the electronics it gets a little frustrating especially when you have to foot the bill for the loss.........Ron

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10-11-2010 10:26 PM  8 years agoPost 29
McKrackin

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Chevy has way more cars with problems than Lamborghini.

You can surely figure out why.Can't you?

1,000,000 Chevys on the road for every single Lambo.

If 100 Chevys break down today and one Lambo breaks down today...Lambo has a much higher failure percentage.

Slightly smaller number with CC and Kon but same principle.
Just like more bad Align products because there are simply MORE Align products.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-12-2010 12:44 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Terrabit

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Actually, high end auto manufacturers have a significantly higher rate of customer complaints than low to middle end auto manufacturers. High end autos also tend to have lower overall customer satisfaction ratings. Why? Poor quality control? No! Because high end customers are notoriously high maintenance. They have higher, many would say unreasonable expectations. Back at the time I read the survey this came from Jaguar was dead last in customer satisfaction.

"99% of the time, it works every time."

(Brian Fantana, from "Anchoman" speaking of Sex Panther)

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10-12-2010 12:53 AM  8 years agoPost 31
McKrackin

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I'm talking about actual problems and not ashtray lights being too dim

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-12-2010 01:08 AM  8 years agoPost 32
Terrabit

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So what you're saying is that 99% of the people, are 99% wrong, 99% of the time?
Ex-freakin-actly!!!
I'm talking about actual problems and not ashtray lights being too dim
Your car has an ashtray? Jealous!
Number of failures is a completely arbitrary value without comparing it to how many of each brand is in use.
First, you'd challenge the manufacturer's claim of reliability or failure rate: manufacturer claims "x" failure rate, your alternate hypothesis is higher than "x". You'd also want to specify a time frame and some model/application data. Then you'd want to organize the data to see if you have a nomal distribution - the tell tale bell curve, and calculate the mean and standard deviation. Then you'd determine which data points fall within two standard deviations so you can eliminate the normal and extreme outliers. You'd also want to calculate a margin of error for your alternate hypothesis. You would also want to be sure your sample was random, as most are not which renders your study invalid.

FUN STUFF!!!!!

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10-12-2010 01:14 AM  8 years agoPost 33
billybob

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how do you know there's more castle contollers tha kontronic in use?

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10-12-2010 01:21 AM  8 years agoPost 34
LONEWOLF2440

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Ok how many castle fires and fried electronics compared to Kontroniks. I hear nothing but castle esc catching fire and bec,s frying your electronics. Been there with castle learned my lesson. Went Kontroniks and wont look back. Sure there more expensive but well worth it

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10-12-2010 01:33 AM  8 years agoPost 35
Terrabit

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how do you know there's more castle contollers tha kontronic in use?
Price is the mechanism that contols supply and demand. That's why so many Align helis are being sold.

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10-12-2010 02:19 AM  8 years agoPost 36
billybob

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hmm. so if the price is less then there will be more? just wondering if the price and quality could be linked?

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10-12-2010 02:28 AM  8 years agoPost 37
McKrackin

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Price and quality are rarely linked in the way you seem to think.

Most often,things are expensive so snobs will give more money for them and then the manufacturer can produce fewer items with lower overhead.

Make all your money up front for minimal effort.

Now,this also means more time and care can be spent on each item.

There is a small connection but it will fall to the wayside as soon as the company starts producing more for less money to in turn make more money.

All companies eventually sell out.
They realize that the snobs have more to spend but there are more middle class to actually do the spending.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-12-2010 02:32 AM  8 years agoPost 38
Eco8gator

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Castle is inexpensive. The price reflects the design since retail price is a direct reflection of how much work goes into something...that's just how it is. Their stuff works pretty well for what you pay...Id rather use their stuff than others in a similar price range.

If we were all willing to pay 400 to 600 bucks per ESC I'm pretty sure they would make something to reflect it.

What I'm tired of seeing is people complaining about it. Here is the deal...most of you that fly electrics that use ESC's big enough to warrant a complaint due to expensive damages should consider a more reliable Kontronik ESC. Your putting close to 2K into the air...the price you save on an ESC is just not worth chancing a fire ball in your airframe!!!

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10-12-2010 02:37 AM  8 years agoPost 39
Terrabit

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Price and quality are rarely linked in the way you seem to think.

Most often,things are expensive so snobs will give more money for them and then the manufacturer can produce fewer items with lower overhead.

Make all your money up front for minimal effort.

Now,this also means more time and care can be spent on each item.

There is a small connection but it will fall to the wayside as soon as the company starts producing more for less money to in turn make more money.

All companies eventually sell out.
They realize that the snobs have more to spend but there are more middle class to actually do the spending.
Hmmm, fact check? No offense but that's not exactly how it works. In reality wherever demand exists, supply will follow. Demand exists for both Kontronik and Castle.

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10-12-2010 02:58 AM  8 years agoPost 40
billybob

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so to conclude konitronic is a better controller that has MUCH less chance of failure than the castle regardless of what the ownership ratio is, what i said all along. this thread has been very entertaining, thank you and good night.

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