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10-12-2010 04:24 AM  8 years agoPost 121
Aaron29

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16 degrees of cyclic.

Proof? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Need a vid or something.

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10-12-2010 04:43 AM  8 years agoPost 122
OICU812

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One thing that would be nice is for the people who have zero experience to compare with being the point of discussion to sit back maybe have a chance to learn abit if possible. Seems the comments of it not taking skill to fly fbl or that so much is done for you are past nonsense really. And btw there are several pros that fly and like fbl as well and they can fly each flybar or flybarless equally. I don't classify Kyle Dahl, Daniel Katzav, Jamie Robertson or Nick Maxwell, Daniel Jetschin to be sport flyers do you guys?

This year was proven fbl can, could and simply did take competitions as did electrics where are those people that proudly yelled it would never happen?

Fbl vs flybar has become the new arguement as soon as it's realized its only different the arguments should rest but that will take time for the people who assume currently to know anything to actually to have given it a chance to understand the differences for themselves. Be well

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10-12-2010 10:30 AM  8 years agoPost 123
Richardmid1

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Most of the Pros winning comps with FBL systems are sponcered by the FBL manufacturers, Mikado, CY etc. I believe it to be a coincidence that the top guys are winning with FBL and there is no doubt in my mind that they could win with a flybared heli.

It makes me sick to think people are rushing out to buy FBL systems just because the pros are winning comps with FBL helis, maybe the comps are fixed, the FBL manufacturers have enough money to see to that!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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10-12-2010 02:56 PM  8 years agoPost 124
rexxigpilot

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That's it. All the wins with FBL were just a big conspiracy by the evil empires in RC manufacturing!

I'll attribute the wins to pilot skill and superior equipment.

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10-12-2010 03:12 PM  8 years agoPost 125
Aaron29

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Yeah let's leave the conspiracy theories to the off topics section. I don't buy that contests are being bought. The videos prove the flying done by folks like Dahl/Maxwell is incredible, and deserving of wins. Don't take that away from them.

You do speak a nugget of truth in folks thinking they can buy their way into proficiency. As if buying FBL will make up for the hours and hours of practice. Buy it for the other reasons, but not that.

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10-12-2010 03:16 PM  8 years agoPost 126
helixangle

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I read somewhere that Dr. Evil has ownership in Mikado, and that Austin Powers is currently working for the Flybar Association of America searching to destroy Dr. Evil's new plan to create a Flybarless system that always wins so his sponsored pilots can then kill off the rest of the flybared pilots with his new Heli Laser...

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
Remember life is hard...even harder for stupid people

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10-12-2010 03:16 PM  8 years agoPost 127
Ronald Thomas

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I'll attribute the wins to pilot skill and superior equipment
I agree completely. I was also a first when Kyle Dahl won with a 600 sized machine. It had to be superior in some way to keep the same "wow" factor that the 700 class machines had. The power and delivery that machine showed was nothing short of amazing. It truly made the lager flybarred machines look slow.
Sure they are sponsored, sure the manufacturer made them fly FBL but in the end, they won. Part skill, part equipment, all amazement.......Ron

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10-12-2010 03:34 PM  8 years agoPost 128
Rogman88

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I have not flown FBL on my own heli, only others, I have noticed Pirouette maneuvers being "disconnected" even after adjusting my sticking to the values in the bird
This too I have experienced. I was used to the cyclic/piro rates of my 600 as a FB bird. I am having to "retune" my brain and the vbar settings particularly with piro flips. It has been dificult however when the heli keeps breaking for one reason or another and sits on the bench waiting for parts. Hopefully I've got a working solution with the belt drive, secured the vbar plugs with very sticky tape and now have aluminum horns so no more stripping of plastic. If the heli doesn't break and I can keep it in the air long enough to get a solid 9 months of flying it like I did as FB then I hope the increased power/flight times will be worth it in the end. Right now it's hard to say that it's been a significant advantage due to the down time.

High Voltage just works better

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10-12-2010 03:43 PM  8 years agoPost 129
helixangle

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at Rogman88 RE: servo plugs

Many of the Vbar pilots I've seen apply a layer of Shoe Goo to the servo plugs after there connected to the Vbar to keep them in and together, this may be your solution

Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
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10-12-2010 04:35 PM  8 years agoPost 130
Terrabit

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It makes me sick to think people are rushing out to buy FBL systems just because the pros are winning comps with FBL helis, maybe the comps are fixed, the FBL manufacturers have enough money to see to that!
There's an app for that.

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10-12-2010 04:52 PM  8 years agoPost 131
helixangle

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There's an app for that
computer refrence from Seattle...didn't see that coming

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10-12-2010 05:06 PM  8 years agoPost 132
Qrrambero

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Flybarless for me and Electric.
No more Nitro or Flybar.
I have gone GREEN.

Ae

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10-12-2010 05:08 PM  8 years agoPost 133
RAK402

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Alhambra, CA

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"I have gone GREEN."

I am colorblind, so I can only go "Grey"...

Team KBDD/Compass Team Manger/Experience RC/Team JR Americas/WR Field Rep

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10-12-2010 05:21 PM  8 years agoPost 134
Rogman88

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West Monroe, LA

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I've seen apply a layer of Shoe Goo to the servo plugs after there connected to the Vbar
I've also heard of people hot glueing them as well. The hot glue will break off if you want it to as well. I replaced the frames here at work and all I had was sticky back velcro, so I cut a small 3mm wide strip and attached it down the length of the plugs. I had done this before but had to open the case to replace TT gears and inadvertently tugged on the plugs enough to losen them up. I also had to lift a corner of the tape to unplug the tail servo thus weakening the stick.

High Voltage just works better

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10-12-2010 10:44 PM  8 years agoPost 135
Alexm0324

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When you guys start arguing a Rotorless Heli, I'll be real interested. We can call it RTL technology.

You like raisins, I like grapes... I could carry that sentence on for weeks. Actually I like raisins and grapes, but I seriously doubt any of you care.

I have flown Mikado, Skookum and flybarred helis. I like them each for specific reasons. Much like the earlier post that said a manual transmission auto vs. automatic, both are good for specific reasons.

Lots of the fiddling with flybarless has to do with misunderstanding the system, much like those that don't understand how to properly set up a flybarred system. Setting up a flybarless system is different by quite a stretch. I'm not going to claim to be a guru of either, but I am experienced enough to know when I need help from a guru.

I have flybarless systems with logging capabilities and tend to miss log events that that point out the problems. I just plain forget to look at the logs half the time. I just upgraded a miniV from Express to Pro to find out that I probably have bad sensors in the miniV. I fought it from the day of purchase 2 months ago. It's going back for inspection now.

I'm posting this as a reminder. If you are fighting a flybarless system... don't forget the logs (if yours supports logging). They can tell you lots of interesting things.

If you have a flybar the only log you get is your neural synapse between your eyes and your brain to log the movement. And there's nothing wrong with that either.

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10-12-2010 11:16 PM  8 years agoPost 136
oldfart

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Alexn0324

Very well put. Two thumbs up!

Phil

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10-12-2010 11:21 PM  8 years agoPost 137
Terrabit

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computer refrence from Seattle...didn't see that coming
Sarcasm from NY...definitely saw that coming.

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10-13-2010 01:02 AM  8 years agoPost 138
jphilli

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Flybarless is better, for real. Sell your 600 and 700 and buy a damn logo already.

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10-13-2010 02:04 AM  8 years agoPost 139
rexxigpilot

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Florida

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^ +1 Logo 600 is a fine machine. However, a good FBL system will work well on almost any electric heli including the T-Rexes. A buddy of mine is putting the Mini V-bar in his new T-Rex 550E. I may get one myself if he likes it. He has flown mostly 500 and 600 Logos, so I would trust his opinion of the FBL 550E.

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10-13-2010 02:55 AM  8 years agoPost 140
helixangle

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@ alexm0324

very well put, eloquent

@ terabit

touche...I'm still laughing.

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