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10-11-2010 08:46 PM  8 years ago
LonR

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Never said its a "flawed" system .They drink a pop in one hand and fly the FBL with the other .600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan
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10-11-2010 08:47 PM  8 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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It's the same thing here guys. Neither system is flawed, and winnings only speak to the pilot, not the equipment.
My point exactly. The only REAL benefit to FBL helis is the increase in power or flight time. That is indisputable and a real gain. Other than that it is preference.
If you get your kicks from from believing that your choice of flying system, be if FB or FBL, is more superior than the next, then more power to you.
Al,I am just offering the other side of the coin so to speak and trying to keep the discussion honest without misconceptions and innuendo........Ron

****EDIT*** You also get increased stability and ease of mechanical setup
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10-11-2010 08:56 PM  8 years ago
Al Austria

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My point exactly. The only REAL benefit to FBL helis is the increase in power or flight time. That is indisputable and a real gain. Other than that it is preference.
This is the most accurate statement I've ever heard from you Ron, way to go!
Al,I am just offering the other side of the coin so to speak and trying to keep the discussion honest without misconceptions and innuendo........Ron
Fair enough.
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10-11-2010 09:58 PM  8 years ago
Billebob

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eCCPM has interaction/cross coupling from servo speed variance etc, it would seem to me that a FBL gyro would remove that and feed the corrections to the rotor. In the case where any system needs a radio mix to fly accurately/pure the FBL stabilizing electronics could be of assistance. An out of phase rotor could reap some benifit. Tune the radio or tune the gyro bank. Then there is the feel difference due to lag and less pilot corrections. Some systems have very little delay these days.

Spank me with those paddles baby, there lay one benifit at least!

If you ask me I could give a rat's ass which type anyone flys, however there is more to it than meets the eye.

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10-11-2010 10:54 PM  8 years ago
Rogman88

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It's been several weeks since a good FBL/FB thread popped up.

Ok I've been FBL for about 3 months now on my 12S Trex 600 vbar and have recently thought that I may have been better off to this point not converting. It seems that since conversion, I've stripped TT gears 3 times, stripped an aileron servo horn once, had one of the cyclic servo plugs back out twice and just flew the heli for the first time in a month yesterday since having to replace frames from the last "unplugging" mishap. At this point I'm wondering if I'd have been better off staying FB. The heli always flew great and in 9 months never had a problem as a FB heli.

Do I want to put the FB back on? No, I've done the conversion, I like how it flies and I converted to a belt!
High Voltage just works better
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10-12-2010 12:08 AM  8 years ago
Aaron29

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Sounds like a TRex problem, not a FBL problem.

Try a Logo?
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10-12-2010 12:19 AM  8 years ago
helixangle

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Thank you Rogman88
The discussions thus far are good for the most part.

Couple of things...

ANYTHING improperly set up is just that, no need to beat this dead horse any longer, as FB or FBL set up incorrectly will result in fighting the flight.

More clarification on FAI, F3C, F3N allowing or disallowing FBL?

@rexxigpilot, No one is bashing Bert and Bobby, I respect there opinion, and would like to hear it, was told 1st hand how they don't like it, which is why you don't see them flying it.

But huge thanks the Rogman88 for refocusing the question.

I have not flown FBL on my own heli, only others, I have noticed Pirouette maneuvers being "disconnected" even after adjusting my sticking to the values in the bird, I have unfortunately NOT had the opportunity to fly VBAR which is the unit I'm looking to purchase, that is of course if the damn Germans would stop worrying about the packaging and just get it to the market.

please continue...
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10-12-2010 12:26 AM  8 years ago
Scott1115

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J-

If you would learn to fly better you wouldn't need the FBL to help you. FBL's are for helicopters what the Corvette is for the guys with the small noodles (except for sensei Benny).
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10-12-2010 12:30 AM  8 years ago
wc_wickedclown (RIP)

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Scott1115 J-

If you would learn to fly better you wouldn't need the FBL to help you. FBL's are for helicopters what the Corvette is for the guys with the small noodles (except for sensei Benny).
lol nice one
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10-12-2010 12:32 AM  8 years ago
Terrabit

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This is among the most pointless, irrational, disgustingly juvinile insults to reason I have ever had the bad fortune to read. This really belongs on the Jerry Springer show. Actually, it even falls short of that. And still somehow I can't stop reading. Damn you people!!!

Carry on!
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10-12-2010 12:52 AM  8 years ago
FlytilyaDrop

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What a great read, to me sooner or later they will make a system that fly's the heli all by the push of a button and all we have to do is sit back and push buttons and tell the heli what to do.

And I hope it comes with push button start too.
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10-12-2010 01:08 AM  8 years ago
helixangle

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Scott...are you drinking again? It's a weekday
FBL's are for helicopters what the Corvette is for the guys with the small noodles (except for sensei Benny).
and exactly how do you know what size noodle uncle benny has?
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10-12-2010 01:23 AM  8 years ago
DougsRC

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At this point I'm wondering if I'd have been better off staying FB. The heli always flew great and in 9 months never had a problem as a FB heli.
I try to tell myself on a consistant basis---- if it ain't broke, don't fix it--- resist
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10-12-2010 01:26 AM  8 years ago
hornet dave

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I've never been a big fan of paying $400 for a headache.I got a fever! The only prescription is MORE 6HV
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10-12-2010 01:31 AM  8 years ago
helixangle

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@ DougsRC
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
Amen...good point, I know Jersey Bob will be the first one to smack me in the back of the head if I take a perfectly good 700 and wind up with a headache
Be sure the juice is worth the sqweeze
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10-12-2010 01:31 AM  8 years ago
nickt919

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The only REAL benefit to FBL helis is the increase in power or flight time. That is indisputable and a real gain. Other than that it is preference.
The indisputable power increase is real and addictive..... it's the reason I have no plans to go back to the FB on the 600N.
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10-12-2010 01:56 AM  8 years ago
helixangle

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The indisputable power increase is real and addictive
The elimination of parasitic drag from the FB is real but...

doesn't the FBL unit limit the amount of cyclic and collective you can throw at it in a given condition? Kind of an auto collective manager and or an "e-ring"?

I fly with 9 on the elevator 9.5 on the aileron and 13 on the collective and it's up to me to manage that, not electronics.

couldn't this be perceived as power increase?
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10-12-2010 02:19 AM  8 years ago
Ronald Thomas

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+/- 14 on collective and +/- 8 on cyclic. It is not perceived, it is real without a doubt.
I've never been a big fan of paying $400 for a headache.
Stay away from crap FBL systems and you won't get one
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10-12-2010 02:44 AM  8 years ago
Terrabit

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couldn't this be perceived as power increase?
If you have to ask, then no. The difference between the T700N with fb and w/o fb was stunning. I set them both up with +/-13* of collective and 8* of cyclic governed at 1950.
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10-12-2010 04:04 AM  8 years ago
Sam2b

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For Aaron I'll say I have greater overall pitch capability with FBL. And no, I won't go back to a flybar if I can help it. It fits in my car better without one anyway. _Sam B_
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