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03-11-2012 09:16 PM  6 years agoPost 13001
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Dusty,,
""Why did it not create homo sapiens until around 200,000 years ago?"'

Dusty, how do you know there has not been people on other Planets for 90 million years ???

ask another dumb question

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03-11-2012 09:43 PM  6 years agoPost 13002
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and the Bears and Wildcat became friends

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03-11-2012 09:52 PM  6 years agoPost 13003
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Dusty, why has Evolution come to a stop ??
It hasn't.
you still have not told me why the Alligator has not evolved in the last 60 Million years, surely he can become more efficient for his surroundings,
Read this:

http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/types...rocodilians.htm

In what way(s) do you think alligators could become ''more efficient for their surroundings''?
Dusty, how do you know there has not been people on other Planets for 90 million years ???
I don't.
ask another dumb question
Go on then.

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03-11-2012 09:56 PM  6 years agoPost 13004
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When you actually get some education, we can talk. I have never condemned you or anyone. What you refer to you don't even have the integrity or intelligence to defend. In the Bible you so hate, Jesus, when confronted by your type said he didn't condemn anyone, people make their own choices to believe or not. If you are so terrified of what you don't understand, you might want to find out about it a little more.
you're talking BS. The error here is about a story of someone long ago. If this someone, who you claim is supernatural and responsible for EVERYTHING, wants something from me, he can jolly well speak to me HIMSELF, in PERSON, and I would be in no doubt - nor anyone for that matter - who said what, what means what, what is what etc, etc. . . hearing it from you or a book does not cut it, it's wrong, ethically and logically. You also have no right to refer to him when he does not show himself. he needs to show himself - he has not done so. no excuses.
.it is amazing that a persons personal beliefs can be so terrifying to you, since after all the are just fantasy. Only a simpleton would be tormented by what others think if what they propose to be true is false. It doesn't bother me in anyway what a Hindu, a Muslim, or anyone else believes.
a person's beliefs is not terrifying to me per se, it is terrifying to me that they use it to justify sick, disgusting actions in this real world - what you lot do in your own imaginary world I don't give a jot for.
First, for you to definitively call my God imaginary shows your utter ignorance. In that you yourself said it can't be proven that God exists therefore the contrary must also be true that you can't prove he doesn't, therefore, in critical thinking your statement is foolish jibberish by an uneducated mind. Sorry that simple logic evades you.
well yes, your God is imaginary, IF and ONLY IF his existence depends on the validity of the Bible and the actions of Christ etc. . . along with all the moral and ethical implications they entail.

as an unfalsifiable concept you have the right to your claim that I cannot in anyway claim your God is imaginary, but then again I can't claim Santa Claus is imaginary, nor Zeus, nor Thor, if they were purely unfalsifiable concepts. The only problem with unfalsifiable concepts is that there are an infinity of them, and THEY can't be shared. not in the strict sense, because it's down to personal construction.

you didn't personally construct this, you read about it, extrapolated "evidence" and put forward implications to support this construct - which was not yours - and you went along with it. If we put you in a time and place where none of this was around (say 10,000 years ago) would you this arrive at the same conclusions, or would you say that your tendency to your beliefs was arrived at capriciously?
Sorry, you are wrong and too uneducated to do some kind of pocket psychology of what I believe or feel and why. Don't need your assistance in this matter. Just because it is your experience, and I am sorry for you in that matter, it is not mine. Once again you presume to be putting yourself as god deciding what is true and not, sorry to inform you, you are not.
you know nothing of my experience because I cared not to tell you about them. God, if he/it/they exist, can do as he/they/it pleases. As an unfalsifiable construct I cannot attack its properties if it has no bearing on reality. But the Bible has bearing on reality in its claims and what it imposes and from that we can chip away and destroy it, thereby destroying its validity and making its claim null and void: this has already been done. nothing more to do here.
They were secularists that shut people up that didn't believe as they did, only you are exhibiting hat kind of behavior here not me. Who is talking about sexuality, you got something on your mind? I don't judge anyone, you seem to be an expert Pharisee.
this is the point I'm trying to make: inconsistency. Quite a lot of priest are adamant that the Bible says that homosexuality is "wrong". I don't know where you stand on the matter since you have not said anything about it. In all likelihood you are probably against it but I'm not sure. If you are not I'm going to wonder exactly what it is you are reading and interpreting because it seems to me that everyone interprets the Bible different in which case that's another point against it.
Well I hope you find that avenue before you meet him face to face. Read the story of the man that dies and goes to hell and begs for God to send someone to tell his brothers not to walk that path....you may understand.

Finally, why faith and not just God show us himself. Simple because we walked away of our own free will, we are not longer in his direct presence. We asked for the knowledge of good and evil, we got it, we are sentient beings. God asks us the hardest thing of us we can ever do, trust him in faith. Believe, in the one that he sent to set the record right, something we cannot do.
BS. Total BS. You have no right to speak for mankind and say that we asked this and that of God simply because you've never met it/him/her/them.

I'm not going to see him face to face because your God doesn't exist if his existence depends on the validity of the Bible. Why do I need to die and be sent to hell before I can conclude that he exists? That's retarded. He can show himself to me now and we'll get it over with, all the rest are excuses.

you claimed that we walked away of our own free will? did we? when was Adam and Eve? about 50,000 or so years ago or later? The Australian Aborigines have their religion dating back 100,000 years or more. so your claim is BS. Why would what my ancestor's ask for have any effect on what I want? Why make this construct on their actions, don't I have a say on what I want?

I didn't ask for knowledge of "good" and "evil" (a retarded concept at best ), you have no right to claim this nor speak for me, you don't have that ethical right. You also don't have the ethical right to "claim" what God asks of us when you cannot provide proper proof of his existence, and if it is a purely unfalsifiable construct you claim, they you have no right at all.
Now if you don't believe that, that's your right, however, it doesn't change the facts.
as an unfalsifiable construct you CANNOT claim they are FACTS, because that is what an unfalsifiable construct is by definition. The moment you claim they are facts you are forced to provide proper, irrefutable, irrevocably evidence that EVERYONE will have to agree upon. You do not, hence you are a liar if you follow this route.
The last refuge of the simple minded is to resort to your standard tactics moron, stupid, ..... Blah blah blah, you are the 99. I actually am a Wildcat not a mongoose.
no, it's due to impatience but also the fact that people delude themselves silly and it gets silly. mongoose for you, Jerry.

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03-11-2012 10:36 PM  6 years agoPost 13005
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""It hasn't"

you are going to have to show me something that has *Evolved* in the last 500 yeas to prove that

""In what way(s) do you think alligators could become ''more efficient for their surroundings''?""

oop, another stupid question, besides simply being stupid, what does it matter what I think (in what ways) Alligators could become more efficient,,,, but I will take a stab ,,

1) longer or shorter legs

2) thinner or flatter body,

2) longer tail,

3) thinner tail,

4) larger brain,

5) lighter body,

6) fins,

7) extra legs,

8) 2 tails,

9) eyes in the back of it's head,

10) whatever,

""I don't""

Ok then, you can't say people have not been around for 600 million years because YOU don't know

Dusty, another question, how do you know people didn't live on Earth 400 Million years ago ??? please don't say because no fossils have been found

Jim
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03-12-2012 03:07 AM  6 years agoPost 13006
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WOW - As ArCHie Bunker Would Say :

HOLY CRAP ! Wild Cat !

That is some of the very Best Philosophical Theology - I Have EVER READ ! and That's That !

You must have studied under Ravi Zacharias !

Solid grounded undeniable precepts. That IS The heart Teaching's of JESUS !

WWJD ? just have another cup of coffee maybe see if attention is needed elsewhere as thing's seem to be going pretty good around here!

Maybe some scripture needed on those that witnessed from just a few that where their { As It was Written ) they wrote it down

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03-12-2012 03:49 AM  6 years agoPost 13007
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you're talking BS. The error here is about a story of someone long ago. If this someone, who you claim is supernatural and responsible for EVERYTHING, wants something from me, he can jolly well speak to me HIMSELF, in PERSON, and I would be in no doubt - nor anyone for that matter - who said what, what means what, what is what etc, etc. . . hearing it from you or a book does not cut it, it's wrong, ethically and logically. You also have no right to refer to him when he does not show himself. he needs to show himself - he has not done so. no excuses.

He has, your not listening. He is right now.....that is why you keep jousting, if you didn't care you would not bother. Try as you might to explain it away.

a person's beliefs is not terrifying to me per se, it is terrifying to me that they use it to justify sick, disgusting actions in this real world - what you lot do in your own imaginary world I don't give a jot for.

Yes, sick things like feeding the poor, clothing the poor, taking care of widows, mentoring poor kids, giving out appliances to the impoverished, sitting at hospital with the sick and dying, sending people to Africa to work in AIDS wards, digging wells, building schools, providing free medical care by volunteers from our congregation, taking care of battered women, getting girls out of sex trafficking providing them shelter and an education, giving hope to the hopeless, providing meals to the elderly, .....all done by my the men and women of the church I attend and that doesn't scratch the surface. All done by men and women who love God. I know you've got some twisted reason for this but I really don't care what you think about us. It doesn't fit in your "everyone's selfish" world view.

well yes, your God is imaginary, IF and ONLY IF his existence depends on the validity of the Bible and the actions of Christ etc. . . along with all the moral and ethical implications they entail.
as an unfalsifiable concept you have the right to your claim that I cannot in anyway claim your God is imaginary, but then again I can't claim Santa Claus is imaginary, nor Zeus, nor Thor, if they were purely unfalsifiable concepts. The only problem with unfalsifiable concepts is that there are an infinity of them, and THEY can't be shared. not in the strict sense, because it's down to personal construction.

You simply can't simply argue a concept and honestly your lack of intelligent thought is now just boring. If you definitively state that God does not exist, you are commenting from a totally indefensible position, unless you are god....and ya ain't. I will give you one last thing to think about, no matter what you say God still loves ya, right up till the end, accepting his gift is your choice.

BS. Total BS. You have no right to speak for mankind and say that we asked this and that of God simply because you've never met it/him/her/them.

I didn't say it, you really need to read the posts, be calm, and read them thoroughly. IN THE BIBLE, Adam and Eve chose that path.

I'm not going to see him face to face because your God doesn't exist if his existence depends on the validity of the Bible. Why do I need to die and be sent to hell before I can conclude that he exists? That's retarded. He can show himself to me now and we'll get it over with, all the rest are excuses.

Once agin my friend, be calm, read the posts. It was a parable from the Bible....if you don't know the contexts I am tired of trying to get you to read.
"There once was a rich man, expensively dressed in the latest fashions, wasting his days in conspicuous consumption. A poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, had been dumped on his doorstep. All he lived for was to get a meal from scraps off the rich man's table. His best friends were the dogs who came and licked his sores. "Then he died, this poor man, and was taken up by the angels to the lap of Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried. In hell and in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham in the distance and Lazarus in his lap. He called out, 'Father Abraham, mercy! Have mercy! Send Lazarus to dip his finger in water to cool my tongue. I'm in agony in this fire.' "But Abraham said, 'Child, remember that in your lifetime you got the good things and Lazarus the bad things. It's not like that here. Here he's consoled and you're tormented. Besides, in all these matters there is a huge chasm set between us so that no one can go from us to you even if he wanted to, nor can anyone cross over from you to us.' "The rich man said, 'Then let me ask you, Father: Send him to the house of my father where I have five brothers, so he can tell them the score and warn them so they won't end up here in this place of torment.' "Abraham answered, 'They have Moses and the Prophets to tell them the score. Let them listen to them.' "'I know, Father Abraham,' he said, 'but they're not listening. If someone came back to them from the dead, they would change their ways.' "Abraham replied, 'If they won't listen to Moses and the Prophets, they're not going to be convinced by someone who rises from the dead.'" (Luke 16:19-31 MSG)


you claimed that we walked away of our own free will? did we? when was Adam and Eve? about 50,000 or so years ago or later? The Australian Aborigines have their religion dating back 100,000 years or more. so your claim is BS.

Not fact, sorry dude go back to the Internet. I won't even go into the numbers because you don't have a grip on dating, dating techniques, focil records, ect...

Why would what my ancestor's ask for have any effect on what I want? Why make this construct on their actions, don't I have a say on what I want?

I will keep this one easy, if you parents live in Brazil....and they love it there, but they are forced to leave and never return because of a crime they committed. If you were then born in the country of you exile you are a citizen of that country you live in. We left the presence of God for a sin of our first parents, they of there own will were separated from God. We are born in that new state with no possibility of return.

I didn't ask for knowledge of "good" and "evil" (a retarded concept at best ), you have no right to claim this nor speak for me, you don't have that ethical right. You also don't have the ethical right to "claim" what God asks of us when you cannot provide proper proof of his existence, and if it is a purely unfalsifiable construct you claim, they you have no right at all.

Sorry you don't like the state of affairs but it is what it is, take it up with God. I didn't like the way my father raised me and I scars to prove but I carry with me the remnants of being his child, so do we being the children of Adam. The rest is up to you.

as an unfalsifiable construct you CANNOT claim they are FACTS, because that is what an unfalsifiable construct is by definition. The moment you claim they are facts you are forced to provide proper, irrefutable, irrevocably evidence that EVERYONE will have to agree upon. You do not, hence you are a liar if you follow this route.

By your definition you are a liar, because you have stated their is no god....you cannot prove that, you have made statements about the person of Jesus...once again you cannot substantiate your claims therefore your own arguements shows that you have no concept of logical reasoning.

In general I will be prayin for you. Love ya man, good luck in the future.

Jerry

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03-12-2012 04:01 AM  6 years agoPost 13008
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In general I will be prayin for you. Love ya man, good luck in the future.
Keep talking to these guys Jerry, and I promise you that you might still pray for them, but you will not love them.

Thats a promise.

They are far from being the lovable types.

In more ways than one.

Liberty once lost, is lost forever.

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03-12-2012 05:43 AM  6 years agoPost 13009
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If you definitively state that God does not exist, you are commenting from a totally indefensible position,
False

stating god is real is one of a indefensible position.

We actually have a very clear and accurate picture of EXACTLY ho wancient hebrews created their gods from Canaanite deities and from Mesopotamian deities. Yahweh gos back to the Shasu tribe that pre-dates Israelites, and El predates them all in the Mesopotamian culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histor...srael_and_Judah

The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like many Ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on the cult of the ancestors and the worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers".[77] The major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god in the early period

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03-12-2012 05:53 AM  6 years agoPost 13010
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By your definition you are a liar
No Jerry

You sir are a liar and much worse.

Dumb people like yourself breed ignorance due to theism.

You drag humanity down and make each person you meet dumber just by being in your presense.

You are the exact reason why creation is outlawed from public schools.

had you kept all your BS to yourself we would have no issue, but when you want to talk about the origins of humanity, you better come educated or will will put you in your place. You had a good education but how many decades ago was that?? 5 maybe? well alot of things have changed since then.

Your real problem is your age and lack of ability to keep a open mind. Your so set in your ways you will not learn due to the brainwashing theism has caused.

You only believe in your god's due to the location you were born, had you been born in iraq, you would in fact worship alla.

You still have not refuted all the skulls I posted earlier in this thread NOR CAN YOU because not everything is in this life is in the bible.

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03-12-2012 11:04 AM  6 years agoPost 13011
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Out,

If you has the courage to debate me on an open stage I would gladly take you on. My name is Jerry Conley, I am 50 years old, I am a Christian, I hold degrees in Mechanical/Aerospace Engineering with minors in mathematics and physics, commercial pilot, fly fighter jets, helicopters, attended a seminary college, served as a combat specialist and machine gunner in the USAF, was a police officer, wrote computer software for FLorida State University, designed systems for Martech, DOD, USAF, US Army, did research with NASA/USRA and spent my best years raising four children. Now, your turn if you got the guts.....I doubt you will. We have been here before. And we all know you ilk. For you, of all people, to call anyone a name is proof Darwin was wrong. Countering your arguments is like shooting a fly with a howitzer and a waste of time.

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03-12-2012 11:21 AM  6 years agoPost 13012
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By your definition you are a liar, because you have stated their is no god
No, that is not what he said. You not only ignore what he did say in this respect, but you ignore his rational as to why.
In general I will be prayin for you. Love ya man, good luck in the future.
You would come across as more sincere if you simply apologised for calling him a liar.

Dusty

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03-12-2012 11:23 AM  6 years agoPost 13013
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If you has the courage to debate me on an open stage I would gladly take you on.
This is your stage. Go for it.
My name is Jerry Conley, I am 50 years old, I am a Christian, I hold degrees in Mechanical/Aerospace Engineering with minors in mathematics and physics, commercial pilot, fly fighter jets, helicopters, attended a seminary college, served as a combat specialist and machine gunner in the USAF, was a police officer, wrote computer software for FLorida State University, designed systems for Martech, DOD, USAF, US Army, did research with NASA/USRA and spent my best years raising four children.
None of which has anything to do with the topic.
Countering your arguments is like shooting a fly with a howitzer and a waste of time.
In other words, you would not ''gladly take him on.''

Dusty

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03-12-2012 11:24 AM  6 years agoPost 13014
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Seriously Dusty, really.....wow.

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03-12-2012 11:35 AM  6 years agoPost 13015
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I put my cards on the table, it has everything to do with it in a debate. If you don't see that sorry. I have spent weeks in the past with this Internet cut and paster that can't put a logical arguements together. He either resorts to slander, maligning, trash talk, and the like. The typical response of the uneducated scoundrel. The Internet has bread a bunch of keyboard cowards that hide in the dark furiously typing away in anonymity. They take no responsibility for their actions and are cowards. So, you know who I am, you know what I do, you know my background, and my history.....put up or shut up. I will stand toe to toe with a man, but will not waste anymore time on cowards and trolls who's level of debate is na uh, na uh, moron, stupid, liar, and cutting and pasting crap from sites they look up with google. Not even knowing what they re posting or the context. So, why is it relevant. Because, if he or syn were serious they would come out from the dark, be honest, state their credentials, give texture and context, and talk like men instead of throwing insult from behind mommys skirt. I enjoy a good debate, and trashing things out is healthy, but only if there is intellectual honesty. I don't play with children, I am too busy their nonsense. If they want an education let them pay or one like the rest of us.

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03-12-2012 11:36 AM  6 years agoPost 13016
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you are going to have to show me something that has *Evolved* in the last 500 yeas to prove that
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/dise-cn.htm
oop, another stupid question, besides simply being stupid, what does it matter what I think (in what ways) Alligators could become more efficient,,,, but I will take a stab ,,
1) longer or shorter legs
2) thinner or flatter body,
2) longer tail,
3) thinner tail,
4) larger brain,
5) lighter body,
6) fins,
7) extra legs,
8) 2 tails,
9) eyes in the back of it's head,
10) whatever,
Very good. Rather than go through them one by one, what I will say is that if alligators were ''intelligently designed,'' then why weren't they ''designed'' with any of these features?

The article I posted concludes:

Today's crocodiles and alligators are little changed from their prehistoric ancestors, a telling clue that these reptiles were (and remain) extremely well adapted to their environment.

....which seems to be the most reasonable explanation as to why they have not evolved significantly in the last 60 million years.
Ok then, you can't say people have not been around for 600 million years because YOU don't know
Of course I don't. As no life on any other planet has yet been discovered, nobody knows anything about what life there might be on other planets.
Dusty, another question, how do you know people didn't live on Earth 400 Million years ago ??? please don't say because no fossils have been found
Because life on earth had not evolved to such an advanced stage at that point in time.

Dusty

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03-12-2012 11:41 AM  6 years agoPost 13017
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I put my cards on the table, it has everything to do with it in a debate.
No, it does not. If you think it does, then why don't you explain your reasons as to why?

Dusty

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03-12-2012 11:43 AM  6 years agoPost 13018
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For example, take this question:

Do you imagine that you believe that your god exists, more, or somehow differently, than a Hindu believes that his gods exist?

Please explain why our backgrounds make us any more or less qualified to answer this.

Dusty

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03-12-2012 11:46 AM  6 years agoPost 13019
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Read above.....done, and you?

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03-12-2012 11:50 AM  6 years agoPost 13020
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Read above.....done, and you?
I had initially thought you were here for honest debate. I see that I was mistaken, as it looks like you are only here to preach.

Won't you even acknowledge that you were wrong to call synodontis a liar, by claiming that he said there is no god?

Dusty

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