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03-10-2012 06:13 PM  6 years agoPost 12961
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That's Exactly why People form Lines at McDonald's

Point at a Picture :

and GO : UGG!!------ and Momma goes UgG and Daddy Point's at a Picture and goe's : UGg - UgG - UgG and the little's - wiggle and wag their tails and go ugg/ugg/ ugg/ ugg

ANd they all sit in a circle pointing at a Picture-

Believing it is Wholesome Nutritious Low Fat and Low Sodium with some thing in it that look's like what was on the picture

UGH / UGH / UGH

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03-10-2012 06:16 PM  6 years agoPost 12962
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I am sorry you live in a world where helping each other, being kind, and loving each other doesn't exist. In the community I live, work, and breathe it does. Not just because we show up and clear debris after tornados, help orphans, clothe the poor, help widows, teach impoverished children, feed millions... Yes 100's of millions each year, but even when others don't return those efforts to me or others I serve with it doesn't take away what we have done. Naive, ok, if you wish to believe so, that's your call, it works for me. Every day you and I make decisions, some based on culture some on necessity. Each decision is an action and brings a reaction or result, and yes, sometimes, no decision is a decision in itself. If your standing on a train track and there is an oncoming train a decision not to act does have consequences.
I never said anything of the sort. Neither did David Starkey. What you have is people not "getting it".

We are selfish, whether we like it or not. The reason is due to Darwin, whether you like that or not is of no concern to me, it's the truth. Most people don't like the truth. You want to know what sense I mean? Read "Lord of the Flies", they all start well, but division grows and their selfish nature asserts itself, it's not nice.

Note that in Starkey's statement he did not mention religion or culture in any way whatsoever. He merely said that people don't like being freed, they have to do it by themselves. Most of the other panelists reactions were stupid to say the least.

In any human community there is always kindness and compassion and friendliness etc. . . as to be expected and observed - nothing new there. But our fundamental nature is one of selfishness because that's how we operate. If it were not so then there would be no need for capitalism and we'd all be living in a global socialist state, but we did not evolve to behave like that. Globally we have wars over scarce resources and we cover it up with all sorts of ideological "excuses".
As for God not showing himself, you are not looking very hard. He has shown himself in everything around you, in nature, in birth, in the universe, in science, in genetics, in physics, in quantum science, in medicine. Now, I am no genius, and only hold degrees in Aerospace/Mechanical Engineering with minors in Physics and Mathematics and fly jet fighter with multiple ratings, .....however, in comparison to what I know that God as shown me I am moron. One, little example of God in time..... What is the shortest distance between two points????? A straight line correct??? No, it is the same point. In Newtonian physics, maybe, but not in the real world. In the real world Gods world, time is irrelevant. As an object approaches the speed of light time slows down, correct???? Yes, sort of. Actually the distance between the two points shortens by way of time warping, bending to each point. Take a sheet of paper and put A point at either end. In the parallel plane the straight line is the shortest distance. Now, bend the paper and the points come closer to each other, this occurs as time warps.....until it warps to where the point coincide at the same point, therefore, the shortest distance between two point is the same point. This is all VERY provable and standard to known science. In Gods world, therefore, all things exist as PRESENT, so past, present, and future all coexesit as now....so how did God describe himself in the Old Testement when asked by Abraham .... Who shall I tell them sent me? God said "I AM" the ultimate description of eternal NOW. In the New Testament he says "I Am the Alpha and the Omega the beginning and the end, he's both points on the timeline and exists at the same time in both. God exists, and therefore must be as stated as he describes himself and thousands of years before WE knew the science God told us who he was and how it works, it only took us thousands of years to verify. Most importantly, a guy named Jesus....that God guy....showed us who and what God was like....and that is enough for me. I breathe in and out everyday, I don't see the air, unless you live in LA, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist....and I am glad it does. Everyone decides for themselves, but there is a preponderance of evidence that he has showed himself. Fly hard, love people, don't crash.
I know about geodesics, and topology etc. . and will probably be doing quantum mechanics and relativity theory this year, but the flaw in your argument is you stating the "God" does this and that, we have no evidence of that. An apple falls from a tree does not imply God, because if it did then I can make in imply an infinity of unfalsifiable constructs imaginable. And I know you're talking mainly rubbish regarding the physical nature of reality implying God because if it were so the top physicists would agree with you - they do not, the laugh at the world's religions, the top String theorists was quoted to say: "I don't care for all that silliness", which is the stance we hold here, with silly circus animals thrown in.

I never said that "God" or "Gods" or "whatever it is" does not exist, just that the major religions are lies and wrong and hence their God/Gods don't exist.

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03-10-2012 06:18 PM  6 years agoPost 12963
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That's Exactly why People form Lines at McDonald's

Point at a Picture :

and GO : UGG!!------ and Momma goes UgG and Daddy Point's at a Picture and goe's : UGg - UgG - UgG and the little's - wiggle and wag their tails and go ugg/ugg/ ugg/ ugg

ANd they all sit in a circle pointing at a Picture-

Believing it is Wholesome Nutritious Low Fat and Low Sodium with some thing in it that look's like what was on the picture

UGH / UGH / UGH
Grey, you've been eating onions again?

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03-10-2012 06:25 PM  6 years agoPost 12964
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That's Exactly why People form Lines at McDonald's

Point at a Picture :

and GO : UGG!!------ and Momma goes UgG and Daddy Point's at a Picture and goe's : UGg - UgG - UgG and the little's - wiggle and wag their tails and go ugg/ugg/ ugg/ ugg

ANd they all sit in a circle pointing at a Picture-

Believing it is Wholesome Nutritious Low Fat and Low Sodium with some thing in it that look's like what was on the picture

UGH / UGH / UGH
its exactly why we are still so violent and primitive.

Go into poor countries where starvation is common, and tell me we are still not animals.

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03-10-2012 06:25 PM  6 years agoPost 12965
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the general public is mainly made of morons who have no understanding whatsoever
That pretty much says it all. Sy your kindom of self is showing again.
I do not respect all what others say
Just more evidence of your kindom.
it's only a very small minority that can think,
Yes ,yes we know it's all abou you isn't it? Selfish selfish selfish. It's a shame you will never know the gift of truely giving of your self to help others. Your version of human nature won't allow it!

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03-10-2012 06:47 PM  6 years agoPost 12966
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Yes ,yes we know it's all abou you isn't it? Selfish selfish selfish. It's a shame you will never know the gift of truely giving of your self to help others. Your version of human nature won't allow it!
I never said it was about me. Was it about Starkey when he told the truth? No, it wasn't, he just told the blunt truth and most of the panelists refused to accept it.

Was it about Darwin when he told the truth? The fact of the matter was that Darwin WANTED TO BE WRONG, one of the few cases in the history of science where the discoverer did not WANT TO SEE WHAT HE SAW. He kept it secret for some time and only published because Wallace was about to give the idea out also. There is no doubt in my mind that both men did not like what they saw, but it doesn't stop what they say being true: you are in the middle of a horror story and you refuse to accept it.

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03-10-2012 07:09 PM  6 years agoPost 12967
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I usually avoid these discussions just because of the dialog as such. You star that man is inherantly selfish, I agree, aside from God I can be very selfish. There is no flaw in my science with regards to time space. The interpretation is up to each person to decide. However, you poo poo anything except your rational as being incorrect. This is a major flaw in your thinking, as a scientist does not throw anything out as a possibility based on their own bias. The theory of evolution is just that, it is not the Law of evolution. Horizontal adaptation is fact, vertical evolution in fancy and has NEVER been not only proven but has zero examples. The statement you make about being selfish due to Darwin is childlike. Darwin was an observer of nature and made postulates based on the observations. Many of these postulates have been proven not to be accurate in nature. One that atheists take forward with religious ferver is vertical species change, with being kind is bunk at best. Adaptation no one argues with.

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03-10-2012 07:44 PM  6 years agoPost 12968
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The interpretation is up to each person to decide.
no, it's not. that just shows your lack of understanding. if everyone can interpret things as they please then it wouldn't work. you are free to do this as regards your personal life etc. . . but reality is something we all share: if God exists then I'm involved too regardless whether I like it or not.
This is a major flaw in your thinking, as a scientist does not throw anything out as a possibility based on their own bias.
I never said to "throw things out", I said that there are an infinity of unfalsifiable constructs which is another thing altogether. If we were to be fair it would mean giving each of these possible constructs equal attention - we do not. You are, in fact, being biased because you already stated your position that the Bible is correct: how do you know that there is only ONE God? how do you know that all this is about going to heaven and hell? how do you know that "good" and "evil" actually make any sense at all? how do you know that death of a Jesus was a big thing to a supernatural entity who could probably play that trick an infinite number of times to gain emotional manipulation? how do you know that God, being all powerful and in charge of everything, somehow for some messed up reason (probably because he's a sick, disgusting emotional parasite) needs acknowledgment and respect from us just so he could give us what we want? none of this makes any ethical nor logical sense whatsoever.

I never SAID God does not exist - just that yours doesn't. Same for Darwin.
The statement you make about being selfish due to Darwin is childlike.
I never elaborated the context I meant it. I was trying to be as simplistic as possible, but I need go no further anyway because, ahem, we know that the Bible is full of crap. Same for the other religious works, because they were made up and progress just obliterated them and shown us the nightmare that we are in.
One that atheists take forward with religious ferver is vertical species change, with being kind is bunk at best.
I am not an atheist. never was.

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03-10-2012 07:55 PM  6 years agoPost 12969
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I usually avoid these discussions just because of the dialog as such. You star that man is inherantly selfish, I agree, aside from God I can be very selfish. There is no flaw in my science with regards to time space. The interpretation is up to each person to decide. However, you poo poo anything except your rational as being incorrect. This is a major flaw in your thinking, as a scientist does not throw anything out as a possibility based on their own bias. The theory of evolution is just that, it is not the Law of evolution. Horizontal adaptation is fact, vertical evolution in fancy and has NEVER been not only proven but has zero examples. The statement you make about being selfish due to Darwin is childlike. Darwin was an observer of nature and made postulates based on the observations. Many of these postulates have been proven not to be accurate in nature. One that atheists take forward with religious ferver is vertical species change, with being kind is bunk at best. Adaptation no one argues with.
most of this is all false based on ignorance on the subject at hand.

yes darwin got a few things wrong, since then however, the advancements made in medicine and biology are not only not up for debate, modern medicine relies on evolution on a daily basis.

Speciation has been observed, and there is millions of fossils that back speciation up.

Why is that 99% of trained scientist have no issue with evolution.

The only people that oppose evolution are those theist that are raping the wallets of the faithful for profit, like all the christian websites that feed off the religious.

there is no debate about evolution, there are only theist apoosed because it goes against mythology the ancient hebrews stole from mesopotamian mythology when they migrated from there.

I can explain to you exactly how jews made and created your god when they mograted from Canaan and Mesopotamia, very few jews ever came from Egypt and were never a enslaved race.

the world was not created in a week 6000 years ago as written.
Moses has no historicity and never lived
there was no gloabl flood
teh earth is over 4billion years old
homo sapiens are over 200,000 years old
the tower of babel is a myth
hebrews were in gfact polythesitic from there formation around 1200 BC until 622 BC when they became monotheistic to yahweh the warrior deity due to the fall of the temple to babylonains.

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03-10-2012 08:47 PM  6 years agoPost 12970
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Syn,

When a person has to resort to calling ones faith "crap" and such it exactly why I stay away from these forums. You think that by being ugly or slandering my faith will evoke some kind of response, it will not, we get plenty of that from Your lack of ability to debate and defend an argument is boring. Your statement that if God exist you are involved so that you are making a choice is correct. You do and are deciding what you believe. Free will is a real bear, it gives us mere mortals the godlike ability to decide what we be, do, liv, and die. That is the knowledge of good and evil, we asked for it we got it, and the rest is history. If you decide that God is playing a twisted game of chess that is your decision, yep, and it is your right as a free moral agent. However, you also have the right to look harder at what it is in your gut telling you that there is something more, better, kinder and fulfilling. I want that for you but will not waste my time in endless debates over meaningless trivia. In the end God is God and we are not, believe in Him or don't its your call and only you are responsible for that choice. Outhouse check your Internet research on the facts you listed most of them are inaccurate being quoted from web sites. The flood is easily proven in focil records as the topographic data on oil reserves due to "organic dumping". And your biblical history is simply wrong, of I also forgot to mention I was a bible scholar at an University prior to switching my major to Aerospace Engineering. You stated that most scientist believ in evolution, which is again totally wrong. Try to understand what most scientist believe in is horizontal adaptation not vertical evolution, very different. To say that there is no debate about evolution is funny considering the debate is raging in every school and university across the country. If this theory was settled it would be stated as the Law of Evolution, as is the Laws of Entropy ect...

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03-10-2012 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 12971
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"" it's just hard to get through to people who just don't understand""

you can say that again

""no, it's not. that just shows your lack of understanding""

wow, talking about the lack of understanding

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03-10-2012 09:04 PM  6 years agoPost 12972
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Jerry, good to see you here, but just to let you know> "Syn" has another person writing some "some" of his replies, if you go back 40 pages or so and read all his replies you will see what I'm talking about

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03-10-2012 09:06 PM  6 years agoPost 12973
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""We are selfish""

yes yes, we have seen that in you from your first reply

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03-10-2012 09:19 PM  6 years agoPost 12974
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""I never said that "God" or "Gods" or "whatever it is" does not exist, just that the major religions are lies and wrong and hence their God/Gods don't exist""

Grey, sounds like he believes there is a God or in his own words>> "whatever it is"

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03-10-2012 09:19 PM  6 years agoPost 12975
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Skippy,
please, please explain your self, you not saying there is no god, or whatever IT IS,, yet you call us names for believing

please explain your self

Jim
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03-10-2012 09:36 PM  6 years agoPost 12976
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Skippy,,
""how do you know that there is only ONE God? how do you know that all this is about going to heaven and hell? how do you know that "good" and "evil" actually make any sense at all? how do you know that death of a Jesus was a big thing to a supernatural entity who could probably play that trick an infinite number of times to gain emotional manipulation? how do you know that God, being all powerful and in charge of everything, somehow for some messed up reason (probably because he's a sick, disgusting emotional parasite) needs acknowledgment and respect from us just so he could give us what we want? none of this makes any ethical nor logical sense whatsoever""

Skippy, IF you understood Faith you would NOT have to ask those questions !!

key word there son>>>> Faith

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03-10-2012 10:12 PM  6 years agoPost 12977
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One Lord : One Jesus : One Holy Spirit : and That's / That !
All as ONE : Known as the { I Am's )

Look HIM UP Just finding the ( I AM's ) will keep you busy.

Then their are a just few other Cool Dood's that just went up - " One of those thing's - didn't come down ...... YET "

Lot of other neat Stuff :
LIKE Son's of the Prophet's
THEN
Not only do you have your: Regular Angel's

But ONE called a Seraphim

Now He BE One Angel

Not got just a regular pair of wing's

He's GOT 6 !!!!!!!

Now for some El - Stupido : From the Out House
The only people that oppose evolution are those theist that are raping the wallets of the faithful for profit, like all the christian websites that feed off the religious.
That's Why Their are over (80 ) SECULAR = Federal and State Tax supported
Social Help Organization's spending over a total of only 700 BILLION
tax payer's dollars a year

That mean's they owe me ???????

When They Talk SMAK about Beating JESUS to Death
A. He was Home Less
B. You Killed Him !
C.Yet He Still Lives
D. HE Did IT for US ! knew it long in advance

Never EVER get Melancholy on OUr Boy Jesus ! " THE I- AM's "

Find the TERM : Christian - The 1st Place it is used in the Bible

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03-10-2012 11:57 PM  6 years agoPost 12978
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Outhouse check your Internet research on the facts you listed most of them are inaccurate being quoted from web sites. The flood is easily proven in focil records as the topographic data on oil reserves due to "organic dumping". And your biblical history is simply wrong, of I also forgot to mention I was a bible scholar at an University prior to switching my major to Aerospace Engineering. You stated that most scientist believ in evolution, which is again totally wrong. Try to understand what most scientist believe in is horizontal adaptation not vertical evolution, very different. To say that there is no debate about evolution is funny considering the debate is raging in every school and university across the country. If this theory was settled it would be stated as the Law of Evolution, as is the Laws of Entropy ect...
Well I would love to have a resonable chat with you regarding hebrews polytheism before 622 BC during the period of second Isaiah.

As far as a flood, it never happened. there is no debate about this at all. Only a minor amount of theist argue for YEC and they have no validity at all. MOST theist follow OEC

Try as you might but you cannot refute the fossil record of the evolution of homo sapiens I have provided showing almost 7 million years of evolution.

You might want to take the time and figure out creation is outlawed from EVERY public school, while evolution is taught in every major university around the world as higher learning.

things have changed since you were in school. In the field of biology and theology

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03-11-2012 12:01 AM  6 years agoPost 12979
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You think that by being ugly or slandering my faith will evoke some kind of response, it will not, we get plenty of that from Your lack of ability to debate and defend an argument is boring.
I have tried to, it doesn't work with people like you.
Your statement that if God exist you are involved so that you are making a choice is correct. You do and are deciding what you believe. Free will is a real bear, it gives us mere mortals the godlike ability to decide what we be, do, liv, and die. That is the knowledge of good and evil, we asked for it we got it, and the rest is history.
for one Free Will has a concept has very subtle philosophical problems that we can't go into, so we'll leave that issue out. For another "good" and "evil" does not exist in nature - only "selfishness" as some kind of motivating force that drives behaviour patterns etc. . . and all that mess. I wouldn't even claim to be an expert there because it would be awful to go through it. and third: this is you talking, what you heard from some one/book etc. . . so it's circumstantial at best. If I talked to a Jew he would state his "excuses", if I talked to a Muslim he would give his version, if a Hindu etc. . . since all of you put forward unfalsifiable constructs you can't all be right. the only way to decide it would be for your God to show himself - he has not, and NEVER DID. You like you fairytales, that's purely your choice.

Even if I had Free Will I could not exercise choice, I did not choose not to believe anymore than anyone else, if your God shows himself then all atheists/agnostics and those of other faiths would have to admit that they are wrong with immediate effect and submit and say to themselves: yes, he exists and now I have the choice whether to follow him or not. Your God has not ever offered that option, all you have is circumstantial rubbish and talk behind documents and writing that any idiots could do. If that's insulting then so be it, because I'm sick and tired of this.
If you decide that God is playing a twisted game of chess that is your decision, yep, and it is your right as a free moral agent. However, you also have the right to look harder at what it is in your gut telling you that there is something more, better, kinder and fulfilling.
rubbish. total rubbish. all you have is an unfalsifiable construct, similar but not the same as all the other major religions, and you state this claim on similar lines. What justification do you have that you are right and they wrong? You're nothing but brutal sick fascists. Your God can solve the matter immediately by showing himself, he has not, and NEVER DID.

Why would God need to play a game at all? If the key to going to heaven would be to follow the teachings of the Bible and do what it says how then do you justify the exclusion of the mentally impaired who cannot comprehend, and also those of other religions or born into circumstances where they will NEVER get to hear of the Bible or of Jesus etc. . . ? do they have a "choice" whether to take in Jesus into their lives too? Should they work it all out that there is a God and it's the one of the Bible from first principles and do all this research and interpret all this "evidence"? there are those who are mentally impaired who cannot comprehend or even relate to others or process information in ways that most take for granted, do they have a choice too? do they have a responsibility to seek out God or else be sent to hell? or are you all just a bunch of morons instead.
In the end God is God and we are not, believe in Him or don't its your call and only you are responsible for that choice.
This is a retarded vacuous statement. What makes you think you can speak for God? What makes you think you KNOW what he's about and what he wants? because some silly book tells you and you agree with it? In fact, why are any of you speaking for him, surely he can speak for himself? he's never done so, so we'll have to conclude that he doesn't exist. He is free to change our minds by showing himself and the matter will be decided.

No, actually, I don't have a choice. I have a choice only when I see God, when he shows himself to me and everyone else and we all agree: yes, it's that God fellow alright, no doubt about that. The top mathematicians do not engage in this silliness, nor do the top physicists or biologists etc . . . the reason they don't is because they know its basically rubbish and silly.

we can all agree on the basics of gravity whether any of us likes it or not, the same ethically should apply to God. There is no agreement because he does not show himself. If, and when, he does I can make a choice, but taking history into account it has never happened. we are alone in this world and it hurts, it's just that some of us are honest about it and the rest deluded.

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03-11-2012 12:06 AM  6 years agoPost 12980
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For what its worth

I do get in the jesus myth forums and fight for the historicity of jesus with some of the world most prominent scholars.

talked with Earl Doherty and do not follow his work at all and told him so. [author of the jesus puzzle]

price is great but I bust his myth hypothesis easily. Allthough the man has somuch knowledge on teh subject its astounding. To bad all the schooling is worthless if the outcome is off the mark.

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