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06-05-2011 12:40 PM  8 years ago
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Christ's priestly office consists of these two parts, (1) the offering up of himself as a sacrifice, and (2) making continual intercession for us.

When on earth he made intercession for his people (Luke 23:34; John 17:20; Hebrews 5:7); but now he exercises this function of his priesthood in heaven, where he is said to appear in the presence of God for us (Hebrews 9:12, 24).

His advocacy with the Father for his people rests on the basis of his own all-perfect sacrifice. Thus he pleads for and obtains the fulfillment of all the promises of the everlasting covenant (1 John 2:1; John 17:24; Hebrews 7:25). He can be “touched with the feeling of our infirmities,” and is both a merciful and a faithful high priest (Hebrews 2:17, 18; 4:15, 16). This intercession is an essential part of his mediatorial work. Through him we have “access” to the Father (John 14:6; Eph. 2:18; 3:12). “The communion of his people with the Father will ever be sustained through him as mediatorial Priest” (Ps. 110:4; Rev. 7:17).
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06-05-2011 12:45 PM  8 years ago
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lets not forget the Holy Ghost role here either.

“Christ is a royal Priest (Zech. 6:13). From the same throne, as King, he dispenses his Spirit to all the objects of his care, while as Priest he intercedes for them. The Spirit acts for him, taking only of his things. They both act with one consent, Christ as principal, the Spirit as his agent. Christ intercedes for us, without us, as our advocate in heaven, according to the provisions of the everlasting covenant. The Holy Spirit works upon our minds and hearts, enlightening and quickening, and thus determining our desires ‘according to the will of God,’ as our advocate within us. The work of the one is complementary to that of the other, and together they form a complete whole.”

the Father
the Son
the Holy Spirit ( Ghost)

=== triune God
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06-05-2011 04:17 PM  8 years ago
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correct, the law was not abolished Christ fulfilled it.
Your problem is you don't even know what the Bible says.

Do you even know what 'fulfil' means?

Definition for fulfil:
carry through: put in effect; "carry out a task"; "execute the decision of the people"; "He actioned the operation" . More »
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Think of any law that has been abolished, such as the death penalty in certain states in the U.S. In states in which that law has been abolished, that means it no longer applies. In states in which it has not been abolished, means that it does still apply. Simple.

Therefore, the fact that He said the law has not been abolished, means it still applies. That is what the Bible says.

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06-05-2011 04:45 PM  8 years ago
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Do you even know what 'fulfil' means?
This is why you do not understand the bible dusty.

To "Fulfil" in the normal sense and to "Fulfil" in the spiritual sense are 2 separate matters entirely.

Without knowing these things, you cannot possibly get the meaning of the bible.

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06-05-2011 05:52 PM  8 years ago
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Dusty the "law" is not only rules as we think of today but was also promises that God gave to the Jews of things to come in the future. Unless you study the bible as God has instructed you will never get it's meaning correct. It is all there in the Bible and if you truly want to study what it says there are plenty of sites to help you in this.
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06-05-2011 07:18 PM  8 years ago
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most people dont have a clue of how the context applys.

written for ancient man by ancient man of another time long gone.

now misinterpreted by 33,000 different types of christians.

oh and please dont mix up the holy spirit and ghost, they are two different created things.

holy spirit is OT and the ghost is never mentioned in the OT at all.

the bible is not a science book and it knows nothing at all of the natural world around us.

burn it!
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06-05-2011 07:30 PM  8 years ago
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To "Fulfil" in the normal sense and to "Fulfil" in the spiritual sense are 2 separate matters entirely.
DEET

Read my post again. The operative word is not 'fulfil' but abolish.

DUH

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06-05-2011 07:33 PM  8 years ago
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Dusty the "law" is not only rules as we think of today but was also promises that God gave to the Jews of things to come in the future.
Thomas, try again. Here are some alternative passages:

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
Unless you study the bible as God has instructed you will never get it's meaning correct. It is all there in the Bible and if you truly want to study what it says there are plenty of sites to help you in this.
We are taking the Bible literally are we not?

Are you saying that you know better than Christ?

If not, it's perfectly clear that every bit of every letter of the OT law still applies.

Why would Christ say such a thing, if He didn't mean what He said?

Why would you try to twist His words?

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06-05-2011 07:34 PM  8 years ago
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most people dont have a clue of how the context applys.
Yeah I know, but it's funny to see them try to explain it.

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06-05-2011 08:50 PM  8 years ago
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Read surrounding scripture Dusty. I have told you this over and over. And yes I am reading the bible literally as it is ,not as you are adding your own ideas. Read the verse before:

Matthew 5:17-18

17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets ; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill .
18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away , not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished

You fail to listen to anything about what I have said about the time we live in now. If you study and understand this part of the puzzle you will see the truth. I cant explain it any Better to you because you are blinded by your sin nature. The devil loves you because he doesn't have to do much to keep you in his grip.
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06-05-2011 09:09 PM  8 years ago
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holy spirit is OT and the ghost is never mentioned in the OT at all.
Out I know you are a great biblical scholar but you are incorrect on just about everything you say here about the bible. You can't learn anything about the bible by checking only athiest web sites

Here is one that will show you some of many passages in the OT that talk of the Holy Spirit, Ghost,Spirit of God all of which are the same.

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/holyspir.htm
oh and please dont mix up the holy spirit and ghost, they are two different created things
Oh so now you do believe in creationism

They are the same being
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06-05-2011 09:22 PM  8 years ago
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Out I know you are a great biblical scholar but you are incorrect on just about everything you say here about the bible. You can't learn anything about the bible by checking only athiest web sites
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06-06-2011 03:25 AM  8 years ago
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""most people dont have a clue of how the context applys.

written for ancient man by ancient man of another time long gone""

""burn it!""

what gets me about these "haters",,, is,,, even if there is no God these guys are bashing a book that was written in good faith, written to help and teach people how to live a good clean life with out disperse and hate, and give people a reason not to fear death,,,,,,, (aaaa a good thing there),,
it must have been so terrible to live back then for the average person, they could only have hope things would get better, people must have feared death so much, death could come at any moment for them and to live knowing that it must have put so much stress on them,,,, hey,, don't go down to the river you have an 78.32 % chance to get mugged, so just set here and don't think about your thirst, and don't go to the market tomorrow, remember that's how your dad died, we will just eat Blue Jay tomorrow again,,

these haters need to separate the Bible from the Catholic Church, yes the Catholic Church (IMO) is happy to take your last dollar, but you can not blame the Bible for that !!
Jim
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06-06-2011 03:37 AM  8 years ago
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outhouse, let me ask you something ,,

do you feel you are better than the average person that has Faith ??
Jim
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06-06-2011 05:13 AM  8 years ago
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Same as It' Has Alway's Been -- and Will Alway be UNTIL ::
Has your Conscience ever asked you to Walk ?? Or ask how Frail your Heart Really Is ?? Have you EVER CALLED OUT ??? EVER ???

Is It more than your Strength ??? He love's you anyway - the thorn's = the sweat - Even Judas - He Still Loved.

The MID WEST is going to suffer a tragic event that is EPIC and Yet the Nation New's has yet to tag on TOO ! GOD of Wonder's is going to Test this Nation like It has NEVER Been Tested.

Million's and Millions of property value and livley hood's are about to be sent south on a torrent of water. SO Far FOUR States will be effected and what will happen down stream is yet unknown. When It get's too the Mississippi . It will effect all .......

What is more divine is how man is treating man, and whom is stepping up to put up the good fight. And Whom is Not ! True trial's among man are taking place . Tragic .

Quite Frank: We are seeing a GOD Sent Heart Revival - Many whom never have - are starting to take a Knee. Reality is settling that material's are nothing ::: after they loose millions in personal possessions.

If you ever get the chance Settle Out Of Court !!!! With the gift of Salvation !!

You Never Want to Stand In front of THE Judge for the Verdict of the Court.

Hell is at the End of a Christ Less Life -No Matter how you laugh you way IN !

When I here the Barking Seals that spend their life with a turd in their pocket -- Stand By and Watch!!

We are going to show what Faith can do - We are making miracles and moving mountain's - over coming the odd's by the hour's.

I do not know how many have the strength to rise - but they do IT every morning.

We are defending against a Hostile River Upper here !! and will Hold our Beach Head !

Many Wonder about the Mystery of The Gospel -

Take account :::Your Destiny is is Determined By Your Action's.

Soon as the New's breaks to the Nation You will no doubt ask WHY ???

How Great Is Our GOD !! EVERY DAY IS A BLESSING

YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT TILL YOU SEE IT --

Put IN Good Word's : PLEASE
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06-06-2011 06:40 AM  8 years ago
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Out I know you are a great biblical scholar but you are incorrect on just about everything you say here about the bible. You can't learn anything about the bible by checking only athiest web sites
funny, I dont go to atheist sites to learn anything.

I am a active member in a religious forum with scholars though.

it makes it easy to see your lack of biblical education coming and goind.

the bible itself is its own worst enemy.

the only thing required for the bible is ignorance
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06-06-2011 08:03 AM  8 years ago
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Read surrounding scripture Dusty. I have told you this over and over.
I've read it, which is why I'm telling you there's more than one way to interpret it, same as with the rest of the Bible. Why do you think all these denominations exist, if not because each one interprets the Bible differently?
You fail to listen to anything about what I have said about the time we live in now. If you study and understand this part of the puzzle you will see the truth.
Err, no, all I see is how you interpret a bunch of lies.
I cant explain it any Better to you because you are blinded by your sin nature. The devil loves you because he doesn't have to do much to keep you in his grip.
What you fail to see is that your beliefs are a reflection on your own character. A Christian I've previously mentioned who posts on another forum, and who I and most other atheists/agnostics on that forum have the utmost respect for, says this:

''How many times must Christ appear after his resurrection, for some Christians to realize that the second coming has already occurred?''

See, that's his interpretation, and I'll bet he knows his Bible just as well as you do. He believes that since the 2nd coming has already occurred, everyone is saved, no matter whether they are a Christian or not. He believes that all there is to do now is to be thankful, and this belief reflects on his admirable personality.

By stark contrast, your beliefs suck. You believe that you're better than non-Christians, because the rest of us are evil. You should realise that you only know what goes on in your own mind. If you think you are basically evil, and that Christianity is the only thing that makes you good, then you are speaking for yourself, and only yourself.

I'm sure you'll probably remain caught up in your imaginary world of spirits and demons for the rest of your days, but you should realise that people who don't believe what you do, think more highly of other people than you do. No wonder religion is responsible for so much hatred in the world today. The more people who realise that not everyone has an evil a mind as themselves, the less hatred there will be.

Dusty
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06-06-2011 08:11 AM  8 years ago
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do you feel you are better than the average person that has Faith ??
LOL LOL LOL Put your thinking cap on, and step it up a gear. We recognise that we are all equal. Just that people who adhere to any of the various religions, are fooled by whatever particular religion they adhere to.

Plenty of Christians believe they are 'better' than 'the average person', because they believe that the 'average person' is 'evil'. Try reading what Thomas just posted, for example.

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06-06-2011 10:13 AM  8 years ago
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You believe that you're better than non-Christians,
we all have the same sin nature.No I have never said I am any better then anybody else. but I can say that I am forgiven.
Why do you think all these denominations exist,
This is all man's doing.
A Christian I've previously mentioned who posts on another forum, and who I and most other atheists/agnostics on that forum have the utmost respect for, says this:

''How many times must Christ appear after his resurrection, for some Christians to realize that the second coming has already occurred?''
He can only come to this conclusion by adding or subtracting to the Bible.
He believes that since the 2nd coming has already occurred, everyone is saved, no matter whether they are a Christian or not. He believes that all there is to do now is to be thankful, and this belief reflects on his admirable personality.
Go ahead and put your faith in this person.It will lead you to your final destination.As for me my faith will only be in God alone

If you truly study scripture you will find that this is incorrect.
I am a active member in a religious forum with scholars though.
Really! thats great. let me know where. I would love to listen in
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06-06-2011 10:19 AM  8 years ago
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Try reading what Thomas just posted, for example.
Dusty your truly are a legend in your own mind.

Read what i said not what you add to its meaning. I can see why you struggle with the Bible.
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