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05-30-2011 11:42 PM  9 years ago
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I think if Christ was reading this thread he would say to Dusty and outhose, "if thou 2 are without sin, let thou be the first to judge and cast-out thou's typing fingers, as thou will anyway"
if there was a real historical jesus [good chance he was real but its not certain]

he was probably mentally ill from tweaking on peyote and other drugs out on his 40 day fast's.

by the parables he spoke if its not fiction ,, he was a nut who wanted to become a martyr.

son of god LOl,,, no such thing ever existed allthou there have been many of those type charactors through out ancient human history
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05-31-2011 12:44 AM  9 years ago
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This illogical concept of only those who 'believe' are saved, would seem to exist mostly in America. Which of course is where you find most Christians who believe in all this creationist fundamentalist BS.

As the Bishop of Oxford says, Christians in Europe from Germany to the U.K., have accepted that man evolved from simpler life forms for the past 150 years. Also, beliefs regarding who gets into heaven vary widely.

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Do only Christians go to heaven?

Main viewpoint #1
Yes- only Christians go to heaven -Only those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, accepted His death and resurrection will go to Heaven. All others will not.

Main viewpoint #2
No- All Good people go to Heaven regardless of religion- According to Christian belief, no matter what your religion is, whether you have been christened or not, you will go to Heaven if you have been a good and decent person is life but will go to hell if you've been a very nasty and evil person.

Here are some opinions from Christians:

There is no real definition of what a Christian should be. Just because you go to church every Sunday or read your Bible every day doesn't mean this is a one-way ticket into heaven. It's by our actions that we may, God willing get into heaven. People have different belief systems, but my beliefs are that God is forgiving and that if we learn from our mistakes, help others, try to be the best we can and contribute something back to society I'd say that's a pretty good start.

God is willing and has power to heal and lift and inspire each and every one.
It does not matter if you are a Christian or not, or whether you believe in God or not.

I am a Christian and every Christian I have come across in the UK, do not believe that only Christians go to Heaven.

Anyway whoever told you Christian believe that only "they" go to Heaven has told you wrong information. We dont believe that at all

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_only_Ch...#ixzz1NrN7BORa

Other denominations, including Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians, tend to go one of two ways:
(1) It is not necessary to believe in Christ to go to heaven. In fact, there are many paths to heaven and although Christ is unique (being God incarnate) He is not the only path to God. Other holy people such as Buddha, Mohammed and Gandhi were prophets who led people to heaven. Therefore, one does not have to be a Christian to go to heaven.
(2) Christ is indeed the only Saviour of the human race, and His death and resurrection have brought salvation and eternal life to everyone - including Jews, Hindus, Muslims and so forth. It is not necessary to accept Jesus personally to be saved - as all were saved 2000 years ago. They are called to realise this and to accept the salvation gained by Christ. However, this does not have to mean an explicit acceptance; acceptance may also be implicit by the way a person lives his/her life. Thus, it is perfectly possible for a non-Christian to enter heaven.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_Christi...#ixzz1NrOxMb5s

So, which of the above are the 'true' Christians?

Dusty
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05-31-2011 01:38 AM  9 years ago
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boy Dusty,, you sure got a problem with all thisJim
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05-31-2011 01:41 AM  9 years ago
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boy Dusty,, you sure got a problem with all this
dusty just gets off on paragraphs full pf keyboard bullsh*t.

Practice makes perfect.

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05-31-2011 01:43 AM  9 years ago
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like pulling short hairs, you got to have the nack haa Jim
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05-31-2011 02:03 AM  9 years ago
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like me I suppose

he would love to see ignorance wiped out.

makes it hard when the sheep wont learn due to primitive brainwashing methods used by the church are still in use. And the sheeple are blind to it.

You just dont understand how primitive religion is ATM
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05-31-2011 02:08 AM  9 years ago
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I do think its funny you guys are getting hammered from 2 sides and a few other welcome contributions.

And you cannot gain headway or build any steam at all.

you sheep make a peep and get slammed instantly with reality.

probably why creation/ID is outlawed and kept from impressionable young minds in school.

Sad thing is you wont wake up to the truth and will carry misbelief to your final dirt nap
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05-31-2011 02:16 AM  9 years ago
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hey Dennis,, you know the "man in the sea story" the guy was waiting for God to save him,, well it goes this way with outhouse and Dusty,, it's 60 years from now and outhouse and Dusty have died and are standing at the Golden Gates, and Saint Peter tells them they can't get in,, and outhouse asks why didn't God give me a sign, and Saint Peter says "he did, remember that 400 page thread on RR 60 years ago, well God sent many to teach you the truth, but you could not see"Jim
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05-31-2011 03:29 AM  9 years ago
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LOL your fear based myth doesnt scare me the way it does you

ooooooooOOO the boogy man at the pearly gates lol

you guys are just suckers ,,,, falling for primitive mans fiction lol

that would be fine if you kept to yourselves

atleast your creation/ID trash is outlawed
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05-31-2011 03:42 AM  9 years ago
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remember that 400 page thread on RR 60 years ago, well God sent many to teach you the truth, but you could not see
Let me introduce you to RR Christian missionary team. Helicopter, Grey, Thomas, and Gearhead.

Dear God, is that the best you could do? LOL. These guys are doing a better job of pushing me away than bringing me into the fold.
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05-31-2011 04:00 AM  9 years ago
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Dusty Good Solid Question's - Again : LEt's See If we can Work With It.

This illogical concept of only those who 'believe' are saved, would seem to exist mostly in America.

MAYBE : But their are pocket's every where of True Followers's

{ Actually it's some what Logical } - European Churches have become largely empty testimonial's - Their population cultures have some what (accepted) or lowered their expectation's and behavior of mankind = They just live with It.

It's sad as many - {most} of them were the cornerstones of churches prior to coming to the America's. Their is however becoming a new scholarly awakening starting. Many are going back to the teaching's and Word of the Cannon as it was originally presented.

What is sad some what : American's seem to be turning to the church for some pretty illogical reason's. -- When dealing with tragedy, loss, or looking for answers ( after the fact ).

- Then they will look for answers for loosing their way in the wreckage of their lives. . One of the most common question's a man of Clergy is : ?? Why - Why did this happen ??? When a response is given such as --- { Did you Ask Him } The look is astonishment !! As what is really being asked is did you search your heart and soul ?? God has never been in your life so why now ??
Some times' their are no answers ---- but maybe their will be a opportunity.

Grace and Love is a much more pleasant walk if you do not wait to reach in the times of a turmoil or wait for a rescue. It was sinless love that became a man. Why wait treasure ??? and blessing's ?

Which of course is where you find most Christians who believe in all this creationist fundamentalist BS.

I wouldn't call it BS - More like a discovery - for a different way, a spark, - a way that makes more sense than what everything they have been presented with, that seems such a mess. Creationism some times is actually one of the later thing's that many examine (after) they discover trust worthy expectation's and result's of the Word of God.
Then after the Truth of the Spirit is Discovered Inside: the Wonder's of Creationism is pretty simple and elemental. FAITH ! FATHER IN HEAVEN !

As the Bishop of Oxford says, Christians in Europe from Germany to the U.K., have accepted that man evolved from simpler life forms for the past 150 years. Also, beliefs regarding who gets into heaven vary widely.

So True / Many have lost the ability to listen with their sense's - to be still --to hear with their heart's. Painfully true - SAD

Quote:

Do only Christians go to heaven?

Main viewpoint #1
Yes- only Christians go to heaven -Only those who have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, accepted His death and resurrection will go to Heaven. All others will not.

True : BUT MANY { so called Christian's } ALSO WILL NOT ! -- They like to play with their food sort to speak ( See what the various churches and denominational politics have done to the Original Word. Hence a rising of good Bible Based Churchs is starting. Sad what they have done - Just how many level's are their for a LIE ???

Main viewpoint #2
No- All Good people go to Heaven regardless of religion- According to Christian belief, no matter what your religion is, whether you have been christened or not, you will go to Heaven if you have been a good and decent person is life but will go to hell if you've been a very nasty and evil person.

My view point is YES they will ! But CAN YOU FIND ANY ???? In the KINGDOM ??? NO ---- This was actually tested several times in the Bible - Failed Every Time ! EVERY TIME .

Here are some opinions from Christians:

There is no real definition of what a Christian should be. Just because you go to church every Sunday or read your Bible every day doesn't mean this is a one-way ticket into heaven. It's by our actions that we may, God willing get into heaven. People have different belief systems, but my beliefs are that God is forgiving and that if we learn from our mistakes, help others, try to be the best we can and contribute something back to society I'd say that's a pretty good start.

Absolutely True ! BLESSING"S

God is willing and has power to heal and lift and inspire each and every one.

Absolutely True - ABSOLUTELY

It does not matter if you are a Christian or not, or whether you believe in God or not.

False: You must acknowledge: GOD THE FATHER -

RE : NOT - If you Worship or Follow the way's of the Fallen One

I am a Christian and every Christian I have come across in the UK, do not believe that only Christians go to Heaven.

SAD : They are trying to achieve or believe some thing for nothing - IT IS NOT an entitlement program unless they do believe!
SORRY no room for Pagan's

Anyway whoever told you Christian believe that only "they" go to Heaven has told you wrong information. We dont believe that at all

SAD : They will be standing in a long line wondering what happened!

Other denominations, including Catholics, Orthodox, Anglicans, Methodist, Lutherans and Presbyterians, tend to go one of two ways:

They GO MANY WAY"S AND THEN SOME !!!!!

(1) It is not necessary to believe in Christ to go to heaven. In fact, there are many paths to heaven and although Christ is unique (being God incarnate)

FALSE !!!

Pitiful what they have done to the Gospel or the Word of GOD. They seem to believe they can re- right the rules of the sacrifice.

He is not the only path to God. Other holy people such as Buddha, Mohammed and Gandhi were prophets who led people to heaven. Therefore, one does not have to be a Christian to go to heaven.

FALSE : Those GRAVES CONTAIN BONES ! JESUS has ARISEN !
Christian's do not say : We Buried him their - he's missing , he die'd, some one ran off with the remains. Their was a reason his tomb was heavily guarded - and sealed with a large boulder ---by the Roman's. Beginning's of absolute FAITH ! He did the impossible ! Against ALL the Odd's - Keeping the Promise's HE made .
THE CHRIST IS ALIVE - Deep to Understand - but you WILL understand.

(2) Christ is indeed the only Saviour of the human race, and His death and resurrection have brought salvation and eternal life to everyone - including Jews, Hindus, Muslims and so forth.

True : MAN - as MAN

It is not necessary to accept Jesus personally to be saved - as all were saved 2000 years ago. They are called to realize this and to accept the salvation gained by Christ.

TRUE

However, this does not have to mean an explicit acceptance; acceptance may also be implicit by the way a person lives his/her life. Thus, it is perfectly possible for a non-Christian to enter heaven.

I would say TRUE -- {BUT} !!! FIND ONE THAT LIVES BY THE VALUES AND TEACHING OF the CHRIST !!!!!! WITH OUT SIN -- IMPOSSIBLE !!! SO IT IS FALSE !! ONLY ONE GOD / ONLY ONE WITHOUT SIN !!!!!!!!!!

So, which of the above are the 'true' Christians?

Dusty
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05-31-2011 04:16 AM  9 years ago
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hey Dennis,, you know the "man in the sea story" the guy was waiting for God to save him,, well it goes this way with outhouse and Dusty,, it's 60 years from now and outhouse and Dusty have died and are standing at the Golden Gates, and Saint Peter tells them they can't get in,, and outhouse asks why didn't God give me a sign, and Saint Peter says "he did, remember that 400 page thread on RR 60 years ago, well God sent many to teach you the truth, but you could not see"
Than its a very long free fall back with a very nasty landing.

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05-31-2011 05:41 AM  9 years ago
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Simple Question's ?? // Where ? Or How ???
Commonality of many that seem to ask ---- how ??? to Begin ??
How do I look for a bit of PEACE ? Walking ???

For Those That have Asked

Recommendation's:
Beginner and looking for help on the way ?

For a Neubie :

Start with a GOOD Christian - Nation Wide Rock Radio Station
You'll find it leaves you Hungry. A good development for thirst

KLOVE can be dialed up almost any where in the Nation - Real Rift's - Real Voice's - Raw Talent - a Monster in the Music Industry for Artists

If your Still Hungry and Like to Explore - you will need your first of {many} Teaching or Student Bible's Then you can also become involved in various Road Map's for the Bible OH BOY !!

One of the Best is a John MacArthur - SOLID for the Beginner - SOLID

If your a Romantic/ Love the Written Word :
Fall into a KJV "Study Bible " a bit of sweat equity required

If you like to take a trip pick up a Chronological !!!

If your a messy person : Grab a fully A Water Proof FUN - Can't Hurt EM

If you can't Read or Lazy ??? " C.D.'s "

Lot's of EASY BIBLES too !!!

NEVER EVER - BE A AFRAID TO WRITE OR MAKE NOTES IN YOUR BIBLE !

SOme of the BEst Ole One's have great hand written notes !!

You almost get to know the previous owner
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05-31-2011 06:16 AM  9 years ago
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MAYBE : But their are pocket's every where of True Followers's
you are no one to judge anything.

I say im more true a follower then you. I know the bible "all of it" not just the portions I want to believe in,,,,, was written as allegory and never ment to be taken literally.

Only idiots believe in a literal bible and im sure I get more of the true meaning then you brainwashed thumpers.

to believe in a literal bible one has to believe in the flood and a 6000 year old earth and that we are all inbred from hebrews.

we know it didnt go down like that because we are not ignorant mythical ancient hebrews who knew nothing of the natural around them when they created their god figure.

You now steal their concept and pervert it for your own means staying no where close to its original intent.
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05-31-2011 06:22 AM  9 years ago
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The rest of your long winded reply like the rest you have put forth, holds no real content.

id like my 1 minute back after reading the dribble
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05-31-2011 06:41 AM  9 years ago
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05-31-2011 07:26 AM  9 years ago
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lets learn instead

watching is for the ignorant
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05-31-2011 12:24 PM  9 years ago
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MAYBE : But their are pocket's every where of True Followers's
Yes, but with all the different sub-sets of followers who believe they are the 'true' followers, there remains quite a wide variety of beliefs, that are claimed to be 'true' beliefs. Now, out of all of those different points of view, which would you say are the most humble? I would say that the points of view which claim that everyone is saved are the most humble, because if the same happens to everyone when they die, then we are all equal in that respect. Being humble enough to believe that we are all equal when we die, applies to both atheists, and such humble Christians.

What do you reckon causes the discrepancies between these various beliefs, and their levels of 'humbleness'?

It's unreasonable to suggest that everyone who doesn't have exactly the same set of beliefs as you, has 'lost the way', and I highly doubt that you have studied the Bible more than anyone else, or even enough to claim that your set of beliefs is correct beyond any reasonable doubt, and everyone else's is wrong. Anyway, who are you to judge?

Just consider the geographical distribution of the different beliefs that Christians have for example, and the fact that Christians in the U,K. who believe in creation are so few and far between that I don't remember ever having come across one. Yet we have a far lower homicide rate and a far smaller proportion of Christians locked up in jail than you do. That evidence right there suggests that the average Christian in the U.K. is more of a 'true' believer than the average Christian in the U.S.

A more likely explanation to explain the various discrepancies in beliefs and their levels of humbleness, is that man interprets religion to suit his own image, to reflect upon his own personality. As the average personality in the U.K. will obviously not be the same as the average personality in the U.S., neither is the average set of Christian beliefs.

James 4:6
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

So, Christians who believe that we are all equal when we die, are the ones who are the real 'true' believers.

Dusty
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05-31-2011 01:33 PM  9 years ago
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Humbleness leads to less anxiety:

Peter 5
6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time. 7 Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you.

'Death Anxiety' Prompts People to Believe in Intelligent Design, Reject Evolution, Study Suggests

So, cast off your anxieties, be as humble as an average Christian in the U.K. or as any atheist is, and you will also be a 'true follower', and you will no longer have to try to keep up the delusion to convince yourself that your God created mankind.

Dusty
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05-31-2011 05:19 PM  9 years ago
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Dusty you deceive yourself with you analysis of your last two post. Being a true Christian can only come from following the Bible as it is written. Anything added or subtracted is of man and will not stand in the end to determine if you will be saved or not. The problem is people that think they know the bible (yes even some who can recite every word) do not understand what thebible is saying because they don't believe it to be the true inspired word of God. They prejudge what is says before they read it so they can't comprehend it's meaning at all.
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