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05-15-2011 09:10 PM  7 years agoPost 6021
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, it would be easy to infer to you that it was some sort of 7'10" homo neanderthall...
actually it would be impossible for a scientist to make that mistake.

a neanderthall has many features that make it unique over a large homo sapien giant.

its a night and day difference.

I have a YEC here at work that says neanderthalls are just people that live outside to long
It's got to be some new species altogether.
there are many different species of the genus homo. this is a fact.

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05-15-2011 10:49 PM  7 years agoPost 6022
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The cheekbones are obvious, the forehead bulges, the jaw is enlarged and facial lines prominent. The forehead and overlying skin is thickened, which may lead to frontal bossing (an unusually prominent forehead sometimes with a heavy brow ridge).
Hmmm sound's like a primitive human...maybe it is? One with Acromegaly perhaps?

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05-15-2011 11:43 PM  7 years agoPost 6023
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only if the palentologist has down syndrome

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05-16-2011 12:03 AM  7 years agoPost 6024
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An evolutionist is one who put's blind faith in Darwin's principles that started to be adopted (100 year celebration of his book) and taught in the 1960's...about the same time drugs became main stream in the USA co-incidentally.
Well, like I said, to be using the term 'evolutionist' means you've been getting your 'information' from creationist websites.

By your logic, the overwhelming majority of mainstream scientists are 'evolutionists'. In fact, mainstream science itself would be 'evolutionist science'.

Evolution has been widely accepted ever since Darwin first published his works, in the mid 1800s. He was so highly thought of in the U.K. at that time by the church, it's congregation, and the state, that he was one of only 5 or so non-royals to be given a state funeral in that century. He was buried at Westminster Abbey near Sir Isaac Newton. Your statement that his 'principles only started to be adopted in the 1960s' is blatantly untrue.
No actually you are embarrassing yourself blindly believing in something that hasn't been proven. It is THEORY that you are stating as fact.
This has been covered many times. The fact that we evolved has been undisputed in the mainstream scientific world since Darwin first published his works. It was widely accepted by geologists and therefore scientists, well before Darwin's days, that simpler lifeforms were older than more complex lifeforms, due to the simple fact that they had to dig deeper to get to their fossils, and so were able to construct a relative timeline. This was (and is, of course) a worldwide phenomenon. Darwin's Theory merely attempts to explain WHY simpler lifeforms are older than more complex lifeforms, not IF they are older, i.e. it attempts to explain why the timeline exists, not if it exists.
Documentation from various peoples who had very little to do with each and were in different languages all were written in roughly the same time period.
What I'm asking is, aside from the Bible, how do we know how old these documents are?
Great article Outty. I found this in it.
Relative dating methods determine whether one sample is older or younger than another. They do not provide an age in years.
Of course they don't. By definition, relative dating methods only tell you how old something is relative to something else, i.e. which is older, and by what factor. However, radiometric dating is not a relative dating method, it's an absolute dating method, which does provide a date in years. How else would we know that the earth is billions of years old?

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05-16-2011 03:03 AM  7 years agoPost 6025
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Dusty well Written !
This is the quandary : Many year's spent during my formal education with those " other's" based in the physic's of the = ****'s, that finally came to the question of finality :

What is the Absolute ??? What is the entity ? or the unity : We all came to at least some form of subtle agreement . /// / their is no absolute. After 5 year's of grinding on the known's of Mass and Time based up the information of empirical : It just kept opening larger Pandora's boxes that required linkage to the previous to operate. It is still reaching farther out and out farther today ....

More than once I saw student's breakdown after a hour or so sitting atop a 14' ladder at 3AM in 20 degree air with the panels open on a almost non- parallax nite. It was allway's a private moment for them.

Last big step was Hubble - (No Bigger Number than 0)

Some went after the unified field theory some after Nik's work, some are trying to either dig it from the numbers while others are searching for it through child like innocence.

The conclusion was/ their is definitely some thing absolutely huge missing, some thing we did not trip over as human but a few did and then lost it, " an accident that was too" - "but then did not" - occur.

Confirmation of void in the physical science's or art's run's absolute parallel with the scripture's as presented and written does exist.. Hence the very reason that it is continuing. Many of the traditional Astro Physic;s circle are deep follower's of the Trinity. Hence: Faith in the Father & Obedience

It can not be defined, but a large portion of the community feel their is a definite missing link and still strive and struggle for it. RE : " CERN " { God Molecule }

Most recent, the use of the ultra modern technology science's, with isotopic dating & application's such as GPS during middle east archeology dig's and cartography.

Most recent actual physical evidence discoveries will frighten some and yet are faith confirmation yet to many. The discoveries have almost completely knitted it all together. A recent exposure of a series of physical artifact's has more than a few trembling and it has since disappeared into trusted hand's.
I hope that the one with the so called key's doesn't get really pissed off. It is period where as the clock or unit doe's not count - :: does not count.

Associates of my early years, agreed we will not get back to defining {0) point. But agreed, we just maybe we overlooked something in our hungry starvation to move forward at such acceleration pace, that the basic's were abandoned. My self defined: fall into the Child Like Innocence and Faith Category / w Prophecy / Interpretation/ and the Context as when, why and how. More of a hand's on Nicola guy.

Some of the greatest interpretation's or quotes came from guy's like Story hanging on a tether : While buttoning up panels - " God Please Let Us Not Screw It UP " - others while standing in the grey flour looking back at a precious blue marble for the first time as a singularity human - even in the emptiness they KNEW they were not alone ! and were not afraid - feeling a definite connection. Such effect's are still a major concern during the discipline and training.

They fall forward into the voice of the truth - listen - and confirm their faith and grace for they know they will then be safe.

God's Time Is NOT : Linear as we human's understand or comprehend.

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05-16-2011 04:39 AM  7 years agoPost 6026
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God's Time Is NOT : Linear as we human's understand or comprehend.
Grey, how do you know this? Or are you just suggesting that?

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05-16-2011 04:47 AM  7 years agoPost 6027
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Welcome to Mormon.org Chat.
A missionary will be with you shortly.
Agent [Bryan] is ready to assist you.
Bryan: Hello. My name is Bryan.
Bryan: What brings you to Mormon.org?
Me: Hello Bryan
Me: and I came here, because I have a question
Bryan: Ok what is your question?
Me: Well, we know God is good
Me: and the Devil is evil, right?
Bryan: Yes
Me: But
Me: Why is the Devil evil, if he punishes the bad?

The chat session has ended.

"point" watch the religious run when you hit them between the eyes with a real question lol

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05-16-2011 04:55 AM  7 years agoPost 6028
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Many of the traditional Astro Physic;s circle are deep follower's of the Trinity. Hence: Faith in the Father & Obedience
really lol you have a link for that psycho babble???

if you ever want to talk about how man made the trinity as its not taught in 1 gospel, you can step up to the plate and talk english, i'll be here waiting. look for the blue guy in the corner
They fall forward into the voice of the truth - listen - and confirm their faith and grace for they know they will then be safe.
psycho babble with a handfull of imagination.

did a wee bit to much LSD as a child??

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05-16-2011 05:24 AM  7 years agoPost 6029
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Assumming you are sincere :
Their are at least 8 or more individual " actually many " declaration's thru out the Scriptures both on the O.T. Side and the New Convenient Side. I just fall on the major's - but I suppose their's a scribe somewhere that know's the dot's and tittle's.

They are seeded abundantly by ALL recorded parties and referenced in just about all the prophetic word. The book it self is one giant lesson in the art of time, timing, practice, going forward's - history or backwards, prophetic history - future and the result and cause of following.

If you are going to plunge into that arena - I alway's felt the individual should have a basic prime feel or conceptual idea on man's - unit's -as we measure the event as we know it.

From the Angstrom to the Parsec to the gravity wave which we seek.

Most can under stand a thousand, or ten, or maybe just barely visually comprehend or imagine a mil, but after that man has no sense or acuity of the immense / the concept kinda fall's right off the table. Hence long comes scientific notation and greek numerology to bring it back to a unit he may grasp as a representative unit. Faith is yes - Yet a Scientific Foundation .

To give you a simple analogy :

Let's say you must walk to Antarctica ?
Or you must find a penny you dropped in the Pacific?

Or you squirt the Blue Marble into the Void.

We are less than a Atom sitting here in the galactic plane of the Milky Way. Our galaxy is less than the penny in the larger scope.

We are here for a definite purpose and reason, not even measurable in the proposal - except for the knowing LORD OF GLORY ALL MIGHTY and his purpose.

Man has and alway's will ponder and fret, their is a way - to grasp it - it is very difficult however for a common man to step out of the boat, and try to see the horizon.

Here's a clue : Take your shoe's and sock's off -He thinks it just funny as a cob { Ask my Dad }

The complexity of life is proof .

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05-16-2011 05:35 AM  7 years agoPost 6030
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FAst Huh ???
Look Up Opp'ies Last Word's just after - they punched it and it lit.

I know a living witness to the MIKE shot / 1st doped Hydrogen device - on the water "in range" and way under it an actual friend on one hand and I purposely keep few - He will tell you about the wrath of GOD! Yes they all prayed - as they knew it got away on them.

Look / Hear / SEE what is globally been taking place for the last 15 year's - I'd say it's time to plumb it up a bit and all need to stop sticking their hands out. Go ahead and ignore the message's / that's what is causing it.

Pray for em along the Delta - Never Be the Same.

SOrry Guy's Had to Edit : Where do you think the Identifier TRINITY came from ???

You need a Baby Wipe :

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05-16-2011 06:36 AM  7 years agoPost 6031
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captain I think the ship has run a ground.

a sailor has dropped way to much LSD after his lunch break at los alamos.

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05-16-2011 03:04 PM  7 years agoPost 6032
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http://www.familyradio.com/index2.html

Stop it already and enjoy your last 5 days.

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05-16-2011 04:57 PM  7 years agoPost 6033
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I dont even need to read that link to know your talking about harold camping

what a whack job that guy is.

you should see the dates he puts to biblical events.

hes another piece of YEC trash that thinks that adam and eve started about 11,000 years ago.

this is the second time he predicted the world would come to a end and failed the first time in the 80's.

he even stated in his firt book he may be wrong lol

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05-16-2011 05:34 PM  7 years agoPost 6034
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He is stating 11,000 years vs. 6,000 years? I need to see why that is.

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05-16-2011 06:22 PM  7 years agoPost 6035
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his wiki page explains his weird dating method

heres material from another forum

the bottom two are common knowledge but not dead set as a exact date's

Creation (about 13,000 yrs. Ago) 11013

Creation of Adam 11013

Birth of Seth. Adam was 130 when Seth was born (Gen. 5:3) 10883

Birth of Enos. Seth was 105 when Enos was born (Gen. 5:6) 10778

End of Enos Period 905 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:11), which is the year Kenan was born and which began his period 9873

End of Kenan Period 910 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:14). This is the year Mahalaleel was born and the beginning of his period 8963

End of Mahalaleel Period 895 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:17). This is the year Jared was born and the beginning of his period 8068

End of Jared Period 962 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:20). This is the year Enoch was born and the beginning of his period 7106

End of Enoch Period 365 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:23). This is the year Methuselah was born and the beginning of his period 6741

End of Methuselah Period 969 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:27). This is the year Lamech was born and the beginning of his period 5772

Birth of Noah. Lamech was 182 when Noah was born (Gen. 5:28-29) 5590
The Flood (about 7,000 years ago). Noah was 600 when the flood came (Gen. 7:6) 4990

Death of Shem 502 years after the flood (Gen. 11:10-11). This is the year Arpachshad was born and the beginning of his period 4488

End of Arpachshad Period 438 years after his birth (Gen. 11:12-13). This is the year Shelah was born and the beginning of his period 5050

End of Shelah Period 433 years after his birth (Gen. 11:14-15). This is the year Eber was born and the beginning of his period 3617

End of Eber Period 464 years after his birth (Gen. 11:16-17). This is the year Peleg was born and the beginning of his period. 3153

Tower of Babel. During Peleg’s patriarchal period, the division of the continents occurred. The Tower of Babel must have been between these dates (Gen. 10:25) 3153-2914

End of Peleg Period 239 years after his birth (Gen. 11:18-19). This is the year Reu was born and the beginning of his period 2914

End of Reu Period 239 years after this birth (Gen. 11:20-21). This is the year Serug was born and the beginning of his period 2675

End of Serug Period 230 years after his birth (Gen. 11:22-23). This is the year Nahor was born and the beginning of his period 2445

End of Nahor Period 148 years after his birth (Gen. 11:24-25). This is the year Terah was born and the beginning of his period 2297

Birth of Abram to Terah. Terah was 130 yrs. old at the birth of Abram. 2167

Abram Entered Canaan 2092
Circumcision of Abram when he was 99 yrs. of age 2068

Birth of Isaac. Abraham was 100 yrs. of age at the birth of Isaac (Gen. 21:5) 2067

Birth of Jacob. Isaac was 60 years old at birth of Jacob (Gen. 25:26).

Entrance into Egypt 1877 B.C.

Exodus 1447 B.C.

Foundation of temple laid 967 B.C.

Division of kingdom 931 B.C.

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05-16-2011 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 6036
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By your logic, the overwhelming majority of mainstream scientists are 'evolutionists'. In fact, mainstream science itself would be 'evolutionist science'.
Main stream science is teaching evolution theory as it is fact. It is easier for man in his own mind to use his senses to derive comprehension. The sense of sight for example. We want to attribute phenomena to things that we can see. We can't see God so we, tend to rule out his possible contributions to how we've come to be.
A human can see a bunch of skeletons randomly found throughout the world. The skeletons are old and deformed from thousands of years of decay and petrification by the minerals in which they were buried in. It's easy to measure the amount of decay with radio nucleotides and not consider that the external minerals that permeated/petrified the bone (since organic matter has been long gone hence no DNA) when determining the age of the fossil. When one finds a set of fossils in one layer of sedementary rock (that used to be mud of some sort) and another found at a higher elevation that was buried in clay (different set of minerals will permeat the bone and petrify it), the scientist who is publishing the article may falsly attribute the fossils that test older when the test is actually flawed to to the type of minerals that permeate the bone. The skeleton that was found in a deeper layer of rock may be falsly labeled as 60,000 years older than another that really may only have been 100 years older.
Humans do make errors, hence the phrase "human error". Some errors get published as fact then young influential minds take things as fact without considering what may in fact, be fiction.

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05-16-2011 07:20 PM  7 years agoPost 6037
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You have gone off the deep end with this post

from start to finish
Main stream science is teaching evolution theory as it is fact.
DUH because it is
It is easier for man in his own mind to use his senses to derive comprehension
WRONG it is not for someone ignorant in science to judge it.
We can't see God
correct, we cannot see ancient mans imagination
A human can see a bunch of skeletons randomly found throughout the world. The skeletons are old and deformed from thousands of years of decay
Im sorry but they have not deformed at all, this is your ignorance showing in the subject you know nothing at all about.

thats like saying all dinasaurs are deformed. funny how the 200,000 year old homo sapien skeletons look exactly like us without a hint of deformation.
Humans do make errors, hence the phrase "human error". Some errors get published as fact then young influential minds take things as fact without considering what may in fact, be fiction.
humans do make errors, this is not up for dispute.

That is a horrible excuse to try and butcher at will, science you know nothing about.

geology has come a long way and the only people who try and knock down dating methods are silly ignorant religious nut jobs who cant see past ancient religious text that were written in a time when myths reigned.

people only believe what they do because of the geographic place they were born. NOT a personal relationship with a deity that exist NO WHERE out of a mans imagination.

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05-16-2011 10:54 PM  7 years agoPost 6038
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Dusty well Written !
Thankyou.
It can not be defined, but a large portion of the community feel their is a definite missing link and still strive and struggle for it. RE : " CERN " { God Molecule
Ever since mankind developed curiosity, we have been searching for all sorts of answers. Of course, that is why people become scientists in the first place. As you suggest, it's also why people turn to religion, because religions are designed to provide the answers. There are loads of them that include a creation myth. Here are a few for starters:

http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/creationmyths.htm

Being that all the creation myths are all different, there is no rational reason to think that any one of them might be true, when they all fly in the face of what science has discovered. In this day and age, we really should know better.
God's Time Is NOT : Linear as we human's understand or comprehend.
Whatever you think of 'God's time', time as we experience it IS linear, so it's not hard to measure.
A recent exposure of a series of physical artifact's has more than a few trembling and it has since disappeared into trusted hand's
What artifacts are you talking about?

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05-16-2011 11:23 PM  7 years agoPost 6039
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Main stream science is teaching evolution theory as it is fact.
That mankind evolved from simpler life-forms is a fact. The Theory of Evolution attempts to explain how and why that happened.

Are you suggesting that something different from the above, is being taught?
It's easy to measure the amount of decay with radio nucleotides and not consider that the external minerals that permeated/petrified the bone (since organic matter has been long gone hence no DNA) when determining the age of the fossil.
You seem to misunderstand what radiometric dating involves. What do nucleotides have to do with radiometric dating, and what is a 'radio nucleotide.? Are you sure you don't mean 'radionuclides'? Even so, uranium radiometric dating is not carried out on fossils themselves, or on the rock they are buried in, since of course fossils are generally found in sedimentary rock, and you would want to use uranium isotope particles in igneous rock for dating purposes, since of course they are formed when the rock is first formed, and will not be affected by contamination of minerals or any other such matter.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosi...micclocks.shtml

The layers of rock that are normally used for radiometric dating purposes, are the ones immediately above and below said fossils. By this method, we get an accurate date range in which the fossils would have been buried, i.e. the dates between the ages of the two layers of rock.

You will also find that many dating methods are often used on any one fossil, and that fossils belonging to the same species are found in various places, and all belong to their particular date range. What would throw the whole thing up in the air would be that, like you seem to be suggesting, if a fossil from a homo erectus was discovered to date back say only a few thousand years, and/or if the fossil of a modern human was to date back to 1.5 million years, when homo erectus lived. That simply doesn't happen though, not even close, which is why even we laymen should realise that radiometric dating is accurate.

Or...do you think that perhaps this does happen, and no scientist has ever told us, because every one of them is involved in a conspiracy?

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05-17-2011 12:59 AM  7 years agoPost 6040
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Hawking: 'There is no heaven'

Stephen Hawking, the famous British physicist, called the notion of heaven a "fairy story"

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...eaven?GT1=43001

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