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05-13-2011 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 5901
Rogman88

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first I would like tio point out you have trouble understanding the difference between abiogenesis and evolution.
Abiogenesis - life is formed from nothing...right? A=without, bio=life, genesis = beginning of...sorry I'm new to this...

Evolution - how things evolve and change from one species to another...for example an apes babies turn into humans if enough generations go by...
lets take this map of skulls, and then listen to your responce

what do you see???
Yep that's a bunch of skulls that have been dug up over time. I assume the DNA testing on the 100 million year old gorrilla skulls shows human DNA?
evolution has been observed in labs and in nature. This does not mean life was created in a lab
and
Oh that and something you may not understand, the DNA evidence for evolution.
A species has never been transformed into another species. We see mutations in virus DNA all the time. The cold virus mutates all the time. The cold virus has never morphed into an HIV or polio virus, and it sure hasn't morphed or "evolved" into a more complex organism such as a cell.
I asked you a direct question about the bible and I see you ignored it. Is this the oldest book you speak of???
This is the oldest book that I am familiar with, but I bet you are going to tell me another, so go ahead, I'd like to read the others as well. The chinese have some old literature. Maybe we can get a translation somewhere? I bet the literature doesn't say anything about Darwinds theory.

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05-13-2011 10:01 PM  7 years agoPost 5902
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""If evolution cannot prove how one skull evolved into the next, then evolution as the beginnings of man is false""

true
wrong again

fossils only carry a small amount of weight to show the facts of evolution

lets say your right, now please share with us your wisdom and explain why the fossils time wise go exactly from primate to man with a perfect timeline that matches evolution to a T?????

how did thos previous half primate half man fossils get there????

is that not in your bible OH NO!!! LOL

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05-13-2011 10:14 PM  7 years agoPost 5903
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wrong again

fossils only carry a small amount of weight to show the facts of evolution
The facts of evolution ????

The only "Facts" you have shown is pics of skulls. As though you are saying, "See I Told You So" And thats it.

You claim the beginnings of man with pics of skulls you downloaded from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.

Then, you post pics of charts that are not readable and infer the same thing.

Nice try. But, a rather lame one.
lets say your right, now please share with us your wisdom and explain why the fossils time wise go exactly from primate to man with a perfect timeline that matches evolution to a T?????

how did thos previous half primate half man fossils get there????
I have no idea and neither do you.

Thats because nobody knows. Nobody.

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05-13-2011 10:23 PM  7 years agoPost 5904
outhouse

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Yep that's a bunch of skulls that have been dug up over time. I assume the DNA testing on the 100 million year old gorrilla skulls shows human DNA?
I asked what you see in the photos.

how do you explain what is not in the bible???
The cold virus mutates all the time.
ah mutate is part of evolution

glad you believe in parts of evolution

http://esciencenews.com/articles/20...ld.virus.genome

Catching the common cold virus: BYU researchers coming down with the rhinovirus genome A new study by Brigham Young University researchers on the virus behind nearly half of all cold infections explains how and where evolution occurs in the rhinovirus genome and what this means for possible vaccines.

The study is reported in the April issue of the academic journal Molecular Biology and Evolution.

Evolution.

"There are a lot of different approaches to treating the cold, none of which seem to be effective," said Keith Crandall, professor of biology and co-author of the study. "This is partly because we haven't spent a lot of time studying the virus and its history to see how it's responding to the human immune system and drugs."

The BYU team studied genomic sequences available online and used computer algorithms to estimate how the rhinovirus is related to other viruses.

According to Nicole Lewis-Rogers, a postdoctoral fellow in the Biology Department and lead author on the study, the rhinovirus is similar to the polio virus, whose vaccine was announced in 1955. But while the polio virus has just three subspecies, the rhinovirus has more than 100 subspecies, which continually evolve.

"These viruses could be under the same constraints and yet change differently," Lewis-Rogers said. "That's why it is so hard to create a vaccine."

Through a computer program developed at BYU, Lewis-Rogers' team was able to identify the parts of the virus genome that enable resistance to drugs and the human immune system.

The immune system does a good job of recognizing viral contaminants and getting rid of them, as do new drugs, but the rhinovirus has responded to these defenses by changing its genome so that it is not so easily recognized.

"The virus is evolving solutions against the immune system and drugs," Crandall said. "The more we can learn about how the virus evolves solutions, the better we can rid the body of these infections."

Understanding where change occurs in the virus genome will help virologists who work to design drugs that target the rhinovirus.

"If you've got 10,000 bits of information, this narrows it down to a handful," Lewis-Rogers said. "Here is where you can start looking."

Lewis-Rogers and Crandall hope scientists will use these insights to build better drugs to combat the virus in the most effective way.

http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketsc..._cold_virus.php

How the common cold evolves - full genomes of all known human rhinoviruses

Ann Palmenberg from the University of Wisconsin and David Spiro from the J. Craig Venter Institute have cracked the genomes of all 99 strains, and used them to build a family tree that shows the relationships between them. Already, it has started to plug the holes in our understanding of this most common of infections. It reveals how different strains are related and how new strains evolve.
A species has never been transformed into another species.
wrong again bud

like I said your out of the current loop, probably due to your religious brainwashing that has stopped your learning cold in its tracks

this link below is only a small example of macro evolution that has been observed. without evolution the whole biotech industry would shut down

http://www.dbskeptic.com/2008/06/21...the-laboratory/

Evolution can easily be observed in the laboratory and in the world around us. We can see moths evolve their coloring to match the color of soot that covers their habitat, watch bacteria evolve antibiotic resistance in hospitals, and my favorite variety of grapefruit (that’s Rio Star) was made by scientists who exposed seeds to radiation to increase the mutation rate. In the face of such overwhelming evidence – including knowing the exact DNA changes effecting such change – it is impossible for the creationists to deny evolution with a straight face.

To get around the problem, creationists often try to separate evolution into two types, micro-evolution and macro-evolution. They argue that micro-evolution can make minor changes, but can¹t build new structures or make other major changes to organisms. Although “the attempt to differentiate between micro-evolution and macro-evolution is considered to have no scientific basis by any mainstream scientific organization” (according to Wikipedia), creationists often claim that a chain of small micro-evolutionary steps can¹t add up to a macro-evolutionary step.

Indeed, it’s hard to simulate our planet’s biodiversity in a laboratory, because all laboratories are much smaller than the planet and have been operating for a far shorter period of time. Nevertheless, we can now say that macro-evolution has been observed in the laboratory under carefully controlled conditions, and that the results can be replicated. The results are described in a paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences titled Historical contingency and the evolution of a key innovation in an experimental population of Escherichia coli.

In 1988, scientists at Michigan State University created twelve population lines of E. coli so that they could watch them evolve. Since then, the bacteria have been growing under carefully controlled conditions in a culture containing low concentrations of glucose and high concentrations of citrate. Under oxic conditions (that is, when oxygen is present), E. coli cannot grow on citrate and “that inability has long been viewed as a defining characteristic of this important, diverse, and widespread species.” Many traits were observed changing over time. Creationists dismissed these changes as micro-evolution. For over 30,000 generations, the E. coli in the experiment did not evolve the ability to grow on citrate. Finally, one of the populations evolved, and gained this ability.

Each population experienced billions of mutations in the first 30,000 generations. Since every possible point mutation was tried many times, scientists were either looking at a rare mutation (such as a large piece of DNA inverting) or a mutation made possible by the cumulative mutation history of prior generations. If this was just a rare mutation, then a sample of bacteria taken just before the trait first appeared would be no more likely to evolve the trait again than a sample taken from the other populations at the same point in time. However, if the ability to use citrate was from an accumulation of “micro-evolutionary” changes, then a sample from earlier generations of the E. coli would be able to evolve the ability to use citrate again.

Fortunately, the scientists had frozen samples of each population every 500 generations. Sure enough, when they revived earlier samples, they watched the citrate-growing ability evolve in the “micro-evolutionary” line, but not from samples taken from other lines.

We know that in one population, a series of changes that happened between the 15,000th and 20,000th generations laid the groundwork for a major evolutionary advance. Here we have a clear example of macro-evolution under carefully controlled laboratory conditions.
Maybe we can get a translation somewhere? I bet the literature doesn't say anything about Darwinds theory.
No they dont have a word about evolution.

I believe we have 6000 year old text from egypt, sumerian and from china and a little from europe and indus region [india continent]

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05-13-2011 10:24 PM  7 years agoPost 5905
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They're telling me I've got a patient....be back in a little bit...
thank you for your valuable time

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05-13-2011 10:38 PM  7 years agoPost 5906
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http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-misconceptions.html

Evolution has never been observed."

Biologists define evolution as a change in the gene pool of a population over time. One example is insects developing a resistance to pesticides over the period of a few years. Even most Creationists recognize that evolution at this level is a fact. What they don't appreciate is that this rate of evolution is all that is required to produce the diversity of all living things from a common ancestor.

The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples.

Even without these direct observations, it would be wrong to say that evolution hasn't been observed. Evidence isn't limited to seeing something happen before your eyes. Evolution makes predictions about what we would expect to see in the fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. The number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming.

What hasn't been observed is one animal abruptly changing into a radically different one, such as a frog changing into a cow. This is not a problem for evolution because evolution doesn't propose occurrences even remotely like that. In fact, if we ever observed a frog turn into a cow, it would be very strong evidence against evolution.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq...to-biology.html

Evolution is the cornerstone of modern biology

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05-13-2011 10:55 PM  7 years agoPost 5907
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The origin of new species by evolution has also been observed, both in the laboratory and in the wild. See, for example, (Weinberg, J.R., V.R. Starczak, and D. Jorg, 1992, "Evidence for rapid speciation following a founder event in the laboratory." Evolution 46: 1214-1220). The "Observed Instances of Speciation" FAQ in the talk.origins archives gives several additional examples.
Very nice. That still does not explain nor prove evolution as the beginnings of man.
Evolution makes predictions about what we would expect to see in the fossil record, comparative anatomy, genetic sequences, geographical distribution of species, etc., and these predictions have been verified many times over. The number of observations supporting evolution is overwhelming.
Very nice. That still does not explain nor prove evolution as the beginnings of man.

Making predictions about what we would EXPECT to see and proof are 2 entirely different animals.

That should be obvious.

Nobody knows.

Nobody.

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05-13-2011 11:22 PM  7 years agoPost 5908
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evolution is much more than a snake with 2 heads, that is a mutation,
even if you have 4 snakes or even 10 snakes of different species all with 2 heads that too is mutation,,
now, if you got 90 million snakes of the same species with 2 heads that may be evolution, unless it's from un-natural breading that comes by involvement, such as people breading cats and dogs, but then again you don't see 90 million 2 headed dogs running around do you,

sorry outhouse, but the Skulls you posted show me in the Evolution of Man there is more proof of un-natural breading then there is Evolution

Jim
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05-14-2011 12:16 AM  7 years agoPost 5909
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sorry outhouse, but the Skulls you posted show me in the Evolution of Man there is more proof of un-natural breading then there is Evolution
LOL dude you are freakin hillarious, ape, man monkey cannot interbreed

try explaining the skulls again because you fail at a grade school level.

why do all of the skulls and their skeletons show a transition from primate to man?

all in a proper time line going back 7 million years

why does the brain case size, get smaller the farther in time you go??

the further you go back in time you start to loose bipedalism, why?

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05-14-2011 12:17 AM  7 years agoPost 5910
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evolution is much more than a snake with 2 heads
glad you understand a small portion of evolution

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05-14-2011 12:18 AM  7 years agoPost 5911
outhouse

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remember, I have all of science behind me

you have only religion behind you which knows little to nothing about real science or biology

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05-14-2011 01:13 AM  7 years agoPost 5912
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why do all of the skulls and their skeletons show a transition from primate to man?
Better yet, show us how they did transition between primate and man. So far, you have not done so. The skull pics themselves do not explain that.
why does the brain case size, get smaller the farther in time you go??
So ah, how did one skull size evolve into a larger one there Mr arm chair scientist?

Or, are you simply expecting all to expect that it happened? Is that irrefutable proof of evolution being the beginnings of man? Of course not.
remember, I have all of science behind me
That is funny.

The beginnings of man cannot be proven.

Nobody knows. Nobody.

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05-14-2011 01:37 AM  7 years agoPost 5913
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Nobody knows. Nobody.
the rest of the world does.

Science knows and I know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

. Nowadays, the modern evolutionary synthesis is widely accepted by scientists.[14] However, evolution remains a contentious concept for some theists.

Evolution has led to the diversification of all living organisms from a common ancestor

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05-14-2011 02:10 AM  7 years agoPost 5914
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And Yet: The Power of Darkess Cannot Yet Drown Out the Word !!!!
The One True God - Spirit Son - We Believe

The Good Has Won

We Are Free - He Has Died and Lived Again

Deliver Us From Evil -The False Religion of Man

To Weak to Even Consider = - Not another empty prayer - again another false religion -

Of the 5 Types of Armor:

4 are Defensive:

Only ONE {1} is Offensive

Guess What It IS ???????????

ALL of it worn on the Front and None on the Back - Ever Wonder Why ??

Reading that may have some believing in Pixy Dust, Glitter and Uni- Corns

It's like Listing to a False Prophet:: Again and Over Again

Say's He can Stop the Bird's from Singing

NOT Buying IT

Lousy Sale's Man -

greyeagle

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05-14-2011 02:14 AM  7 years agoPost 5915
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blah blah blah

if you want to seem half intellegent you would atleast try and give a decent rebuttle.

blah blah blah is a sign of weakness

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05-14-2011 02:16 AM  7 years agoPost 5916
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NOT Buying IT
BS

when science suits you! you suck it up like the religion you pander to

when you have a heart attack or stroke, only science will save you

you typed your reply because of science

You live and die by science, like it or not.

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05-14-2011 02:17 AM  7 years agoPost 5917
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when you have a heart attack or stroke, only science will save you
Believing is one thing. Reading is another. Experiencing is priceless. I will take God (Jesus Christ) all day long over science. I'm not saying I wouldn't go to a doctor but I would leave my eternity in Gods hands.

JimmyC

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05-14-2011 02:48 AM  7 years agoPost 5918
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"""ape man monkey cannot interbreed""

I never said that

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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05-14-2011 02:48 AM  7 years agoPost 5919
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The Original Jet Setter : A Militant False Religion
Trying to Re Define Faith ??? Huh ???

Isolation is a Modern Day False Hood / You just keep a Hollering

Jet Setting About Back and Forth = To and Fro seem's just like the Ole Satan keeping you a bit busy isn't he ??

Better Pin Wheel and Peddle faster and faster as you flail about. Hate to see you trip : You got a pretty Lousy Center of Gravity -

Keep it up you may just get to see a miracle Like your analogy to a having a heart attack. See we call em Vapor Lock's
Maybe the day comes when your lying on the stainless you get to test it

A good shot of light to the HEart is usually a pretty good cure.

We get to see Faith Move Mountain's : Quite Often Too Your false doctrine doesn't.

Let's Hear some more from the prince of the world / the son whom rules over disobedience the Deceiver.

greyeagle

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05-14-2011 03:00 AM  7 years agoPost 5920
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My God Created Science.

The God I believe in Created Art.

What a marvelous Artist.

He Paints the Sky with Colors of blue, pink, white and various
shades of green.

We are not built from cellular structures of simple protoplasm
as Chuck Darwin once believed, but of such magnificent
complexity as to even in the viewing shall reveal His Majesty
to the receptive Soul and Heart!

God loves us. He made us. He is Our Father.

He sees our trouble.

Our trouble with rebellion, disobedience to His Provisions
and Protection, and our sin; That HE HIMSELF Had to DIE to
deliver us from Eternal Separation from HIS FATHER'S Love!

It is in the discovery of the Love of GOD in Christ that
we are blessed in it's reception, acceptance and belief.

Today, on the earth, in these bodies of Clay (The Very Dust
of the ground) we live by faith. Faith in His Love for us.

One day, we shall SEE HIM as He IS.

Eternal Light and Life.

We will be with Him forever.

We did not exist before we were born. We were not dead.

Twain was wrong...

But once given a soul, we have eternity written in our hearts
and souls. We WILL LIVE somewhere, somehow FOREVER.

I would prefer to dwell in the loving breast of my Saviour
who really did rise from the grave. This IS The Truth.

We have this life to decide for or against GOD.

Should we miss him, and life does go on, and hell is it's end,
we should have believed him, and wish forever we had...

.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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