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12-31-2010 12:54 PM  7 years agoPost 2781
DougsRC

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No need to concern yourself with the foolishness of DougsRC, Dusty. His standard retort to anyone here who seeks to correct a blatant lie or school a moron is to question their RC skills. Lame -- but par for his dumbass course.
Well Excuuuusssse me, this is primarily an RC helicopter forum. In the past these type of no-win religious or "God" threads have been closed due to the bashing that always happens, but this one continues on for whatever reason. Enjoy your ride on the merry-go-round

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12-31-2010 03:01 PM  7 years agoPost 2782
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So, how is that willingness to share with others placing ones own needs or desires above others Dusty?
Willingness to share isn't why you believe in God though, is it?
But, I don't feel we would be better off without it since our nation was founded primarily on the promise of freedom of religion.
Yes, but I am asking, in what ways do you think you are better off with it? Or to put it another way, in what ways do you think you would be worse off without it?
When we have guys like outhouse and gimbulfan here to promote their hate and disrespect for others, it shows the very high degree of ignorance that they accuse others of having continually. Hate, is pure ignorance of the worst kind.
What is it that you feel outhouse and GF are ignorant of? What is it that you know, and they don't?
I don't see the Christianity of today, as a general rule, in the US promoting that.
Well Christians of today in the U.S. hate those who don't agree with them. Is that not obvious by the fact that non-believers are the most despised minority in the U.S. today? Who are they despised by, if not Christians?

Another example that springs to mind is GWB citing one of the reasons for invading Iraq as being that God told him to. It would seem that the God portrayed in the Bible is still used as an excuse for war, death, and destruction. Or do you disagree, and hold God responsible for the war, directly?
Its no wonder to me at all that atheists are viewed as the most despised minority group in the US.
Ya know, I didn't even realise that until now. That is quite a surprise. Over here, people who don't believe in a God are the overwhelming majority. If the remaining Christians chose to despise non-believers, like Christians in the U.S. do, we would just laugh at them. I'm not saying that doesn't happen already but we generally don't despise each other for what we do or don't believe in.

This sheds some light on why outhouse and GimbalFan feel as strongly as they do. I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a minority that's despised by the majority, for no other reason that their lack of belief in an imaginary God.

This would also go some way to explain why so many people in the U.S. identify themselves as Christians. It's surely easier for an individual to identify with the majority, rather than to be despised for not doing so. I admire those who are not afraid to stand up for what they have discovered, particularly if they are in a minority.

This reminds me of what we read about when Galileo first discovered that the earth is not the centre of the universe, and was despised by the Christians of the day for having discovered that what they believed at that time was not true. I'm sure it would have been easier for him just to have kept his discovery to himself, but I'm sure we are all grateful to him for letting the rest of us know the truth.

When I said the U.S. was backward in comparison to the rest of the developed world, as far as religion is concerned, I didn't realise just how backward.

Dusty

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12-31-2010 03:15 PM  7 years agoPost 2783
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Well, personally I believe it makes for a more civilized society as a whole. I moral code of sorts--- Love thy neighbor as you Love yourself---Thoult shalt not kill--- do onto others as you would have them do to you.
You quoted 2 sentences from my post. Did you forget the first one by the time you had read the 2nd one?

Do you think it strange that the rest of the developed world manages to have a far lower murder rate, far less people locked up in jail, than in the U.S? Yet you are the ones who live by religion, and we are the ones who don't. Do you really believe that Christians in the U.S. would be incapable of living a moral life, if they didn't have a religion to live by? If so, what a sad and pathetic outlook upon your fellow countrymen you have.

Or is this just a reflection on your own character?
Imagine just for a moment a totally Barbaric world where the strong take the weak without any remorse
Do you spend much time imagining this sort of thing?
little tiny guys like you and outhouse would quickly be snuffed out by Larger and stronger guys like me So you should Thank God for Christianity

Dusty

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12-31-2010 03:20 PM  7 years agoPost 2784
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No need to concern yourself with the foolishness of DougsRC, Dusty. His standard retort to anyone here who seeks to correct a blatant lie or school a moron is to question their RC skills. Lame -- but par for his dumbass course.
So he likes digging holes then Maybe some of his fellow Christians will pray for him

Dusty

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12-31-2010 03:27 PM  7 years agoPost 2785
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When I said the U.S. was backward in comparison to the rest of the developed world, as far as religion is concerned, I didn't realise just how backward.
Too sadly, frighteningly true, eh?

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12-31-2010 03:36 PM  7 years agoPost 2786
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Too sadly, frighteningly true, eh?
Indeed. Not surprising you want the rest of them to catch on too. I suppose all you can do is keep trying to share what you know with your fellow countrymen, just like Galileo did

Dusty

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12-31-2010 03:44 PM  7 years agoPost 2787
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But, others need to understand, that as far as the scientific community as a whole, there is NO agreement on the beginnings of man. In fact, according to you and what other areas of science claim, there is a very clear disagreement. There is NO consensus. - Dennis
That's not correct. The scientific community as a whole DO agree on the beginnings of man. The consensus is that we evolved from other life forms.

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12-31-2010 03:58 PM  7 years agoPost 2788
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Dennis and co. know NOTHING.

Dennis, on the other hand, wants to defend people's rights to "believe in what they WANT". And that, as a concept, is of no concern to science.

It is a concern to science if "what one believes" conflicts with scientific discoveries, and seeks to bury all the progress we've made. Mencken was sickened and angry over the Scopes Trial, his famous saying was that when any original man had the courage to come out with the truth the idiots would bury him. The same happened to the mathematician Galois, being done by the stupid masses is not a funny thing at all.

Dennis also, rightly, puts out that we don't know how life started. In much the same way we don't know what happened before the Big Bang. But both of those issues are of no concern to the arguments here: that the Bible etc. . is nothing but the imagination of man etc . . .

Not knowing what happens before the Big Bang does not alter the theory of gravity, or electrons, or that the earth orbits the sun. Not knowing how life actually started does not really alter the theory of evolution. Just how many times does this need to be explained to you lot?

If you want to believe in Santa Claus, fine. If you want to believe in tooth fairies, fine. But if your belief conflicts with scientific evidence then it's time you question your beliefs - and you should, for reason of your sanity at least.

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12-31-2010 04:50 PM  7 years agoPost 2789
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When the time comes to retire, I'm moving to the UK. Clearly the percentage of sane thinkers among the general population is significantly higher there.

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12-31-2010 04:59 PM  7 years agoPost 2790
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When the time comes to retire, I'm moving to the UK. Clearly the percentage of sane thinkers among the general population is significantly higher there.
Best for you.

Keep us posted as we just might celebrate seeing you off.

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12-31-2010 05:25 PM  7 years agoPost 2791
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Dennis, on the other hand, wants to defend people's rights to "believe in what they WANT". And that, as a concept, is of no concern to science.
Never asked it to be a concern to science.

Seems that a lot of you guys get off by putting words in others mouths and explaining what they do, say, or feel.
But if your belief conflicts with scientific evidence then it's time you question your beliefs - and you should, for reason of your sanity at least.
And now my sanity is questioned because my beliefs conflict with science? Please, give me a break. I am comfortable with my beliefs and have seen no reason what so ever to change them. If I was in any level of life to conflict with science, I would not do so. But, rather encourage it as long as it was used for good. Same with many others. Using science to promote intolerance of others beliefs, anger, and hate is definatley, in my mind not using science for good. But, rather showing a very high degree of ignorance. The same thing Christians are accused of being.

Thats not saying Christians are perfect and do not do the same. They do as Dusty's view of those surveys of atheists in the USA. He has some good points on that issue. But, from what I see here, I am not seeing the atheists here conduct themselves much better.

Just to clarify before more words are put in my mouth and my way of life described as a "Christian" again, and as mentioned here in this forum and others many times, I do not go to church. I do not worship God with others. I do not scream and shout in the aisles. I do not speak in tongues. I do not abuse children. I do not preach to others my faith in God. I am not part of the Christian community as others have described I am here. I am not Catholic as has described here. I have said that many times. But, I will defend my faith in God and the fact (I feel), that Faith is its own evidence that God does exist in my mind and others as well. I have no idea if God created man. I have no idea that science has the answer to man's beginning. No one here has convinced me. Nor will they ever because I don't think that evidence exists.

Also, I have to admit I do get a kick out of giving outhouse and gimblenuts a hard time. Thats just me and I have no apologizes for it. There is no doubt in my mind they feel much the same about me.

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12-31-2010 05:38 PM  7 years agoPost 2792
outhouse

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Dennis and co. know NOTHING.

dont we know it.

all he can do is be old and bitter to the changing world around him.

This wonderfull life is short for him and his stubborn ways wont change

he wont be happy until everyone is a ignorant religious republican.

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12-31-2010 05:42 PM  7 years agoPost 2793
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he wont be happy until everyone is a ignorant religious republican.

If you really think I feel that way, then you are just as ignorant as you claim me to be. After all, if we were all the same, then I would not be having fun giving you a hard time.

Or, are you just being silly?

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12-31-2010 06:32 PM  7 years agoPost 2794
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Dennis still doesn't get it. . . .
Seems that a lot of you guys get off by putting words in others mouths and explaining what they do, say, or feel.
tell me, Dennis, if I made the statement that the earth is round, or that it orbits the sun, would that be "putting words in your mouth and explaining what you should do, say, or feel"? No, it would not, it would be an IMPARTIAL observation that we can ALL agree with, regardless of what other beliefs or assumptions we may have.

Do you get that or not? Because that's what science is about. It's not about telling people what to think, feel or putting words into their mouths.
Using science to promote intolerance of others beliefs, anger, and hate is definatley, in my mind not using science for good. But, rather showing a very high degree of ignorance.
I didn't think when Darwin set out to learn about evolution did he ever consider that it might conflict with his beliefs at the time. It was only later that he recieved the shock.

If you believe in Adam and Eve and state that that's how the human race started then you are a lair. There's no hate, anger or controversy in stating that, just an impartial statement of FACT.

Your problem is that you think the science knows it all. It doesn't. Not possible, because of the human condition that we are in. There are holes, but those holes DO NOT allow Christianity or the major religions any credibility anymore. That's the problem. Always was.

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12-31-2010 07:08 PM  7 years agoPost 2795
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ease up on dennis

hes just a grumpy bitter old man who's failed buisiness has left him in a bad way and hes getting ready for his dirt nap in a few years.

every farm has a jack azz out in the field that makes a bunch of noise and the folks down the street hate him for this, but hey you give him a apple and he does shut up for a minute or two as long as his old set in his ways world isnt changing for the better.

out with the old and in with the new

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12-31-2010 07:24 PM  7 years agoPost 2796
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out with the old and in with the new

You are stuck with me outhouse.

I will live long and prosper.

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12-31-2010 07:45 PM  7 years agoPost 2797
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dont blow a gasket dog

we dont wany you having a heart attack and then have to watch science save you

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12-31-2010 07:53 PM  7 years agoPost 2798
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dont blow a gasket dog

we dont wany you having a heart attack and then have to watch science save you
Don't stress yourself over my health outhouse.

According to my last exam 2 weeks ago at the VA hospital in Portland, Or, I am in excellent health except for the harmless form of leukemia (CLL) I received from agent orange while serving in the Navy in Vietnam.

Even with that, my chances of living long and prospering are "excellent".

I will always be here to rib you and help you get your panties in a wad, you little tird.

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12-31-2010 08:36 PM  7 years agoPost 2799
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Do you spend much time imagining this sort of thing?
More like 5 or 10 seconds Dusty, I guarantee you if we met face to face you would all of a sudden "magically" be a different person but since you know that probably won't happen, you can be an "internet tough guy".

Oh YeaH, in my "imagined Barbaric world" GimbalFans Fat-ass would be utilized and rendered down as "lamp-oil" At least you would serve a purpose GimBall.

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12-31-2010 09:45 PM  7 years agoPost 2800
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Dennis and co. know NOTHING.
I know what you mean but at least Dennis is prepared to discuss the OP (to a point). Far better that than quoting scripture or being like Doug the thug who went to the trouble of searching through my posts to try to discredit me, then when that failed resorted to being virtually violent

I can see some sort of mutual respect between outhouse and Dennis, reading between the lines, and I have to say that in this discussion, Dennis has earned my respect too, for what it's worth.

Dusty

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