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12-30-2010 07:29 PM  7 years agoPost 2741
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I've never met anyone opposed to evolutionary theory who has actually demonstrated even a basic understanding of what it is.
Well golly gee whiz.

I wonder why that is when you have another science that disagrees totally with your science?

Don't you think others are going to choose and agree with a science that makes sense to them?

Not necessarily your choice either.

Maybe if you studied the other science a bit, you might come to the determination, that there is no determination.
Yes Hate dennis

hate of christians trying to block science and education.
BTW: At least you will admit the hate.

Just for your information; Hate shows a very high degree of ignorance. The same as you have been accusing others of being for weeks on end.

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12-30-2010 08:28 PM  7 years agoPost 2742
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You understand how science works right? Generally, an observation is made (a fossil is found), some hypothesis is made (ancestor of genus Homo, in common with other members of family Hominidae), hypothesis is tested against existing evidence (aka. observations), hypothesis is accepted if it fits the existing evidence, another observation (a different fossil is found) is made, current hypothesis is tested against that new evidence (aka. the new observation). If the currently held hypothesis doesn't fit with the new observation then the hypothesis is either discarded or it is adjusted to fit the new sets of observations. Wash, rinse, repeat. Once a hypothesis has been tested against all observable evidence, and adequately explains all of the observations it is eventually accepted as a Theory. In the event that an accepted Theory is challenged by new evidence, there will be much debate, much research and probably a lot of heart-ache. While I was not alive, I seem to recall learning that there was quite a bit of debate regarding the mathematics, formula and postulates of Einstein which challenged accepted theories regarding space, time, and gravitational behavior.

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12-30-2010 08:46 PM  7 years agoPost 2743
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If the currently held hypothesis doesn't fit with the new observation then the hypothesis is either discarded or it is adjusted to fit the new sets of observations.
Then, its obvious this hypothesis does not fit your observations and has been discarded:

Evolutionary history of life
Main article: Evolutionary history of life

The origin of life is a necessary precursor for biological evolution, but understanding that evolution occurred once organisms appeared and investigating how this happens does not depend on understanding exactly how life began.[229] The current scientific consensus is that the complex biochemistry that makes up life came from simpler chemical reactions, but it is unclear how this occurred.[230] Not much is certain about the earliest developments in life, the structure of the first living things, or the identity and nature of any last universal common ancestor or ancestral gene pool.[231][232] Consequently, there is no scientific consensus on how life began, but proposals include self-replicating molecules such as RNA,[233] and the assembly of simple cells.[234]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

Special Note In The Above:

Consequently, there is no "scientific" consensus on how life began

Speaking for myself, I won't be discarding that.

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12-30-2010 09:13 PM  7 years agoPost 2744
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Let me try to make crystal clear what is established beyond reasonable doubt, and what needs further study, about evolution. Evolution as a process that has always gone on in the history of the earth can be doubted only by those who are ignorant

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12-30-2010 09:14 PM  7 years agoPost 2745
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It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.

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12-30-2010 09:20 PM  7 years agoPost 2746
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It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun.
Then, you have denied the science that says:

The origin of life is a necessary precursor for biological evolution, but understanding that evolution occurred once organisms appeared and investigating how this happens does not depend on understanding exactly how life began.[229] The current scientific consensus is that the complex biochemistry that makes up life came from simpler chemical reactions, but it is unclear how this occurred.[230] Not much is certain about the earliest developments in life, the structure of the first living things, or the identity and nature of any last universal common ancestor or ancestral gene pool.[231][232] Consequently, there is no scientific consensus on how life began, but proposals include self-replicating molecules such as RNA,[233] and the assembly of simple cells

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution

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12-30-2010 10:04 PM  7 years agoPost 2747
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Would not hurt your case at all.

I don't see it. Apparently, no one else does either.
Well like I said, to most people, it's not news. It really comes down to whether such a headline would be good for any media outlet that may print it.
At least you are polite Dusty. That is appreciated.
Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you
If science is uncertain about the beginnings of man, and cannot be determined, isn't evolution science as has been said here practically every day? Or, is it something else besides science?
Science covers a wide range of subjects. Some of it man has been able to comprehend, other parts we are still discovering.

Abiogenesis is something they are working on, evolution is something that we can comprehend. I haven't noticed any scientist claim that they understand abiogenesis, but evolution of all life on earth is another matter entirely.

Man is just another species that has evolved from a common ancestor. That's not a question that scientists still ask, it's something they've been sure of for quite some time now. Just as sure as you are sure that you are reading these words on your pc.

What scientist would, out of the blue, decide to phone the press and suggest that evolution should be headline news, in this day and age?
Looks to me as though this issue is a simple matter of so called "evolution people" have broken from science
Not at all. Biological evolution is possibly the biggest part of the science of biology, one of the 3 major fields of science. The top biological scientists work at the top universities throughout the world. These people are the main authority in the science of biology, and are in no way a breakaway group.
and simply found ways to promote anger and hate for all Christianity and all people of Christianity for whatever reasons. Thats pretty much all of what I see here. They are promoting nothing but that anger and hatred and gaining nothing for themselves. There are no winners with hatred. None.
I agree, there are no winners with hatred. It's just something that some of us choose to express at times. If there were no religions though, there would be no religious hatred. Christian extremists would no longer hate their Muslim counterparts, and vice versa. Protestants and Catholics would no longer fight each other on the grounds of religion. There would be no more religious wars.

What people get from religion and belief in their God, is the belief that they will personally benefit, at least partly in the way of some sort of afterlife, depending on what the religion is. To me, that seems quite selfish, when it's obvious that there would be less hate in the world if there were no religions at all.

In saying that, I can see how religion still has it's place, particularly in the 3rd world. For those who have nothing but dirt, belief in an afterlife gives them something to live for. These people are unlikely to have access to all the information that we do though, so can carry on in blissful ignorance.

I have faith that one day in the not too distant future, the whole of the developed world will one day view religion the same as they do in Sweden, and as more of the world develops, more and more people will abandon religion. Note from the chart I posted the other day here, that the rest of the developed world isn't far behind, excepting the U.S.A. that is.
The Swedes were a God-fearing bunch until competition challenged the consecrated cartel in late 18th century. In 1860, a change in law allowed Lutheran Swedes to leave the church so long as they converted to another religion.

The right to stand outside any religious denomination was only established in 1951, in the Law on Freedom of Religion.
Nowadays...
It seems the ubiquitous Holy Spirit has met its match in Sweden. God would probably have a pretty hard time getting a personnummer, and it would take a real miracle to prove his credentials to Migrationsverket.

Quite simply, the majority of Swedes don’t think the big man exists. That’s according to a European Commission report from 2005 which states just 23 percent of Swedes believe there is a God. Only Estonia and the Czech Republic can wave their atheist flags higher. Contrast this with the United States, where a Harris poll from 2005 showed that 82 percent of Americans believe in the Big G.
http://www.thelocal.se/4579/20060811/

In any case, just supposing that there is some sort of afterlife, although I think it unlikely, we can't know for sure that there is not. Is it reasonable to expect that afterlife depends on where you were born? Because of course had you been born in a country where the predominant religion is Islam, it would be unlikely that you would be a Christian, etc. Or is it reasonable to expect that it would depend on whether you had used your free will, to arrive at the reasonable and logical conclusion that the God of whatever particular religion that others around you subscribe to, does not exist? A God worthy of respect would be a fair God, a kind God. That's not the God portrayed by any of the current religions that I know of.

Of course a fair God is not the same as a forgiving God. Although the message that if you have sinned then all is not lost, is a good one, the very fact that one knows he will be forgiven will not do anything to deter sinning in the first place.

That's why I hope that at least some of the religious people reading this thread, should take in all of the information that is now there for us all to see, and give up their selfish reasons for believing in their chosen religion, for the greater good of mankind, just like most of the rest of the developed world is currently doing. Time to catch up folks, you have little to lose and much to gain.

Oh, and of course the God portrayed in the Bible could not have created mankind. What a silly notion

Dusty

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12-31-2010 12:04 AM  7 years agoPost 2748
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Well like I said, to most people, it's not news. It really comes down to whether such a headline would be good for any media outlet that may print it.
Apparently its not worthy of the news as some areas of science are uncertain about the beginnings of life. So, there is no consensus.
Science covers a wide range of subjects. Some of it man has been able to comprehend, other parts we are still discovering.

Abiogenesis is something they are working on, evolution is something that we can comprehend. I haven't noticed any scientist claim that they understand abiogenesis, but evolution of all life on earth is another matter entirely.
You have said "WE" in the first paragraph as though you are a scientist. Are you?

So, do scientists refuse to recognize abiogenesis? Is that a quack science or what?
I agree, there are no winners with hatred. It's just something that some of us choose to express at times. If there were no religions though, there would be no religious hatred.
But, there is religion. Its not going away in our lifetime. I am confident that you are adult enough to realize that.
What people get from religion and belief in their God, is the belief that they will personally benefit, at least partly in the way of some sort of afterlife, depending on what the religion is. To me, that seems quite selfish, when it's obvious that there would be less hate in the world if there were no religions at all.
Selfish? To hope for an after life? No one is harmed by that.

I would call it Comfort" or "Security", but certainly not "Selfish". Especially if others are not harmed by it. If you feel others are harmed by that, then please explain.
I have faith that one day in the not too distant future, the whole of the developed world will one day view religion the same as they do in Sweden, and as more of the world develops, more and more people will abandon religion. Note from the chart I posted the other day here, that the rest of the developed world isn't far behind, excepting the U.S.A. that is.
Maybe so Dusty. I would not deny that its possible. But, I think it would be much more difficult and take far longer in America. A very large segment of our population is still sickened by the ones that are working hard to remove God form our culture. But, thats just me.
That's why I think all the religious people who might be reading this thread, should take in all of the information that is now there for us all to see, and give up their selfish reasons for believing in their chosen religion, for the greater good of mankind, just like most of the rest of the developed world is currently doing. Time to catch up folks, you have little to lose and much to gain
Again, the word "Selfish" appears in your comments towards others that wish to have religion. I just don't get that. Makes no sense to me.

As far as the rest of the developed world getting rid of religion, thats their problem. If there are those that dig that, then they might consider moving. In the end, I think they would be worse off. But, again, thats just me.

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12-31-2010 12:06 AM  7 years agoPost 2749
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So what?

Its still official.
I was only stating a fact, not implying anything was unofficial or invalid.

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12-31-2010 12:37 AM  7 years agoPost 2750
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Apparently its not worthy of the news as some areas of science are uncertain about the beginnings of life. So, there is no consensus.
The beginnings of life is abiogenesis
You have said "WE" in the first paragraph as though you are a scientist. Are you?
'We' in the first paragraph, referred to me as a man. Try reading it again
So, do scientists refuse to recognize abiogenesis? Is that a quack science or what?
No, they do not refute it. Unlike evolution, they are still trying to fully comprehend abiogenises.
But, there is religion. Its not going away in our lifetime. I am confident that you are adult enough to realize that.
Of course I am. Still, the less of it there is, the better.
Selfish? To hope for an after life? No one is harmed by that.
No one is harmed by others who's reason to cause harm, is religion? Seriously?
Maybe so Dusty. I would not deny that its possible. But, I think it would be much more difficult and take far longer in America. A very large segment of our population is still sickened by the ones that are working hard to remove God form our culture. But, thats just me.
Yes, I'm sure that it will take far longer in America. It's unfortunate that you so far behind the times in this respect, in comparison to the rest of the developed world.
Again, the word "Selfish" appears in your comments towards others that wish to have religion. I just don't get that. Makes no sense to me.
Selfishness denotes the precedence given in thought or deed to the self, i.e., self interest or self concern. It is the act of placing one's own needs or desires above the needs or desires of others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selfish
As far as the rest of the developed world getting rid of religion, thats their problem. If there are those that dig that, then they might consider moving. In the end, I think they would be worse off. But, again, thats just me.
Well again, look at the information that's out there. The U.S. has a far higher murder rate than anywhere else in the developed world, way more people locked up in jail.

In what ways do you think that belief in the Christian God, benefits the U.S. and/or your fellow countrymen?

Dusty

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12-31-2010 01:18 AM  7 years agoPost 2751
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Well again, look at the information that's out there. The U.S. has a far higher murder rate than anywhere else in the developed world, way more people locked up in jail.

In what ways do you think that belief in the Christian God, benefits the U.S. and/or your fellow countrymen?
Well, personally I believe it makes for a more civilized society as a whole. I moral code of sorts--- Love thy neighbor as you Love yourself---Thoult shalt not kill--- do onto others as you would have them do to you. Imagine just for a moment a totally Barbaric world where the strong take the weak without any remorse , little tiny guys like you and outhouse would quickly be snuffed out by Larger and stronger guys like me So you should Thank God for Christianity

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12-31-2010 01:26 AM  7 years agoPost 2752
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Selfishness denotes the precedence given in thought or deed to the self, i.e., self interest or self concern. It is the act of placing one's own needs or desires above the needs or desires of others
Still makes no sense to me.

A person that has religion, as a general rule, is always willing to share it with others. Some a bit to forcefully, of course. Others, when asked. A few don't wish to share at all. Even those that don't wish to share their religion with others is not harming others because of that.

So, how is that willingness to share with others placing ones own needs or desires above others Dusty?

Please explain.
In what ways do you think that belief in the Christian God, benefits the U.S. and/or your fellow countrymen?
I have never felt Christianity to be perfect. It has its faults. Same as any other major religion throughout the world. There seems to be no debate about that.

But, I don't feel we would be better off without it since our nation was founded primarily on the promise of freedom of religion. Since that is the promise, then freedom from it is a promise as well. Its up to the individual. Maybe someday the US will drop religion. Just speaking for myself, I don't think we will see that in our lifetime, if it ever happens at all.

When we have guys like outhouse and gimbulfan here to promote their hate and disrespect for others, it shows the very high degree of ignorance that they accuse others of having continually. Hate, is pure ignorance of the worst kind. I don't see the Christianity of today, as a general rule, in the US promoting that. Its no wonder to me at all that atheists are viewed as the most despised minority group in the US. To bad for them. It is what it is.

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12-31-2010 02:06 AM  7 years agoPost 2753
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It's my observation that Outhouse is 'schooling' those who are poking fun of his education level. - scoyle
This is my observation as well. In my opinion and the opinions of many others, he's doing an 'out'standing job of it.
Irony at it's best.
Also true -- although the multitudes of morons here are likely incapable of understanding what makes this sort of thing ironic. Ignorant people suck.
I love this thread.
Me too.

Best of all I love that the stupid ones -- especially Deet-de-Dennis & rcflyer09 (sorry... haven't yet found a clip which adequately portrays the vastly superior stupidity revealed by rcflyer_09) -- have no compunction nor hesitation about revealing their frightening levels of stupidity in public. It's a thing of great yet wondrously sad beauty, eh?

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12-31-2010 02:12 AM  7 years agoPost 2754
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Don't forget me GimbalFan. I'm as dumb as a box of rocks. My name is Jimmy and I am stupid.

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12-31-2010 02:14 AM  7 years agoPost 2755
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Don't forget me... I'm as dumb as a box of rocks. My name is Jimmy and I am stupid. - JimmyC
Do rcflyer_09's claims ring true with you, Jimmy?

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12-31-2010 02:17 AM  7 years agoPost 2756
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Does rcflyer-09's claims ring true with you, Jimmy?
Big Science + Lies = Big Money.....
Evolutionist get paid good money to turn a monkey into man.
How many Atheist groups donate millions to starving people? Cloth the poor, feed the homeless. None that I'm aware of. The salvation army is not a house of Atheist last time I checked.

Atheism & Science is nothing but a money racket. Just Another Job.

Idiots Atheist, love to accuse the church of taking money. They do, ever heard of over head? Utility? Rent? Heat? Phone?
And what ever they have left go's to the poor.

Everything that's good is this sorry pathetic world comes from God.
I would not want to live in a world that did not believe in God.
Anyone who is alive & still has a breath better get over yourselves and open your eyes, not a science book. And not your physical eyes, your spiritual eyes.

You can laugh and mock all you want, it will not change the fact, we are a created race of intelligent beings, who we put here for a reason. And that reason was to look for our creator. That's our test. And A lot of us are failing miserably.
No. Not at all.

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12-31-2010 02:18 AM  7 years agoPost 2757
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Does rcflyer-09's claims ring true with you, Jimmy?
No. Not at all.
Then there may be hope for you. Education is the answer. Get some -- soon.

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12-31-2010 02:23 AM  7 years agoPost 2758
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From your posts, which are 80 percent on this thread and the rest are lame-ass attempts at flight Don't beat yourself up-- its O.K. There will never be RC heli videos from outhouse or Dusty1000 on this RC helicopter forum - DougsRC
Have I ever posted a vid of me flying one of my helis on this forum? I really cannot remember whether I have on this particular forum or not. - Dusty
No need to concern yourself with the foolishness of DougsRC, Dusty. His standard retort to anyone here who seeks to correct a blatant lie or school a moron is to question their RC skills. Lame -- but par for his dumbass course.

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12-31-2010 02:30 AM  7 years agoPost 2759
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Then there may be hope for you yet. Education is the answer. Get some.
Pete,

I'm fine. What I believe and what you believe is completely up to the individual. I am not here to persuade you or anyone else as to how life begun or is going to end. If something works for me and something works for you then let it be. Attacking people is not going to persuade them even if you're correct. Try and be nice. I know you can do it.

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12-31-2010 02:33 AM  7 years agoPost 2760
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Attacking people is not going to persuade them even if you're correct. Try and be nice. I know you can do it.
No, he can't.

Not to anyone who disagrees with him.

No exceptions.

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