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10-11-2010 06:57 PM  8 years agoPost 81
red_z06

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Although it says rotated 90deg, I don't think they mean on a roll axis.
Label face up/down excludes side mounting with label on side.

It seems like a unit with a separate sensor or side mountable units have a bit more flexibility.

Mounting flexibility

V-Bar
uBeast
3G

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10-11-2010 07:51 PM  8 years agoPost 82
Gernejr

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The seperate sensor from the unit is the only thing i like about 3g but i see no problem with performance on SK720. Total G was flying great this weekend. we still need to do some more fine tuning on elev,alvi to sharpen the cyclic up, thats just few clicks on atv . I do like that Tg is mounted firmly and strapped down tight vs SK720. As always the govenor was easy to setup ,performs flawless. Im waiting patiently for sk720 governor.

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10-15-2010 08:22 PM  8 years agoPost 83
towertsk

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Any updates on the FS600??? Cant wait for the review?

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10-17-2010 01:02 AM  8 years agoPost 84
red_z06

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Repairing and finally replacing my mother's PC got in the way.

Hopefully, it will be done mounting during the next week and be able to start testing starting next weekend.

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10-17-2010 02:02 AM  8 years agoPost 85
knightofcarnage

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opps

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10-17-2010 02:23 AM  8 years agoPost 86
knightofcarnage

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opps.

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10-21-2010 06:42 PM  8 years agoPost 87
red_z06

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FS-600 Update

Airframe: Aeolus 50
FBL System: FS-600 v3
FBL head: Align 600 FL head
Blade: SWE 620dcw heavy blade for now and will test 630dcn 3d blade.

FS-600 v3 is mounted on the Aeolus 50 nitro heli. Since this heli wasn't designed with large gyro in mind, it was hard to located a spot to mount on.

I chose to mount in upside down on the bottom of the electronics frame. I will try to post a video when the wire mess is dealt with.
I still have to mount a regulator and the receiver battery.

Hopefully I will be able to get a first flight done this weekend if the weather corporates.

Looking at the menus, few things caught my eyes

1. pitch to rudder mix (sort of like a revo gain pre HH gyro era )
2. piro optimization (don't know how this will work)

Based on my other system experience, I am going against the mfg suggested double taping and using thin single tape for the first run. The vibe may force me to go to mfg recommendations but we shall see.
This should prevent the gyro from moving independent of the frame on hard swash moves.

This gyro uses H3 swash like Align. I would have preferred H1 mode where the mixing only occurs in the gyro system.

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10-22-2010 02:28 AM  8 years agoPost 88
Trace

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Wildwood, MO

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Red,
Your probably going to have vibration drift. This unit does not like to be hard mounted, however it doesn't like to be mounted too softly either. So you will probably have to play with the tape to find a happy spot. I'm running this on a frenzy 90, the mfg suggested tape config was too soft, it wobbled with fairly low gain. I went with 2 layers of thin grey 3m - metal plate - thin foam provided and that seemed to work very good. 2 thin 3m - metal plate - 2 thin 3m was too hard and showed slight vibration drift. Make sure and go through all the menus and set them to default, for some reason they ship the unit with funky numbers in a few of the menus and it will act weird if you don't set them.

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11-01-2010 09:07 PM  8 years agoPost 89
red_z06

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FS-600 Update

The first flight with default setup was crappy at best. I assumed perhaps my insistence on thin mounting had something to do with it. So, I pulled (pulled back cover off ) it off and added another thick layer with metal in between.

It did not feel any better. So, the first setup change was cyclic gain from 30 to 50 which caused severe wobble/hunt.

So I backed it down to about 35 where it got rid of all wobble.

While 3G and MicroBeast flew at 95% of final setup, this is no way near flyable as is.

while it was in hover, full piro caused almost 30deg roll by the time the one fast piro finished.

I'll hit the manuals and try to figure out what parameters I want to adjust next.

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11-19-2010 02:54 AM  8 years agoPost 90
red_z06

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For now, I've given up on FS-600 on a 50 nitro. I will come back and retry after testing another unit in the same Aeolus 50n heli.

I just mounted HC3x in the same place.
For this unit, PC programming is mandatory. After installing the program, connected the USB between the unit and PC. It shows yellow "connecting" but never actually connects. I tried it on another PC and it is the same thing.

After talking to Esprit (distributor), they thought it might be the USB cable. They were correct. After connecting the replacement cable, the PC is now linked and programming starts.

I'll keep you updated on HC3X and see if this one is more tolerant to vibration.

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11-22-2010 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 91
LonR

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Macomb,Mi

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Any updates?

600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan

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11-22-2010 10:41 PM  8 years agoPost 92
red_z06

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I have a 960us tail servo and a new MKS BLS980 servo has been ordered as HC3X is not compatible with 960us servo.

Hopefully, I'll be able to get a HC3X airborne this weekend.

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11-22-2010 10:55 PM  8 years agoPost 93
Heli 770

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You still using a LogicTech?

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11-22-2010 10:56 PM  8 years agoPost 94
red_z06

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Most of our FB helis still have LogicTech 6100T gyro.

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11-26-2010 12:17 AM  8 years agoPost 95
dairik

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Falls Church, VA

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MicroBeast quality and life span?
Hi, I'm just now reading up on this topic. I am working in Germany currently and just talked with a local hobby shop owner.

I was dead-set on buying the MicroBeast for the price and some good reviews, but he started telling me about problems with the internal component quality and the life-span of the unit. He mentioned that on a nitro bird, the vibration would cause the MB to degrade in a relatively short time (like 6 months). Are any of the FBL systems going to be more or less vibration resistant than the others?

Can anyone speak to this? I want a FBL system for my Synergy N9 and I have no problems spending some more $$ to get a good system. I just don't want to crash because of a problem with "cheap" components.

Thanks for any input you might have on this!

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11-26-2010 12:22 AM  8 years agoPost 96
red_z06

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Our MicroBeast on 700N has been flying since IRCHA 2010. That is only 3 months. However, 6 months is some what vague. It would be better if one says 100, 200, 300 flights etc for life span.

I keep my eyes open for any signs of deterioration.

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11-26-2010 09:00 AM  8 years agoPost 97
Peterr

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I'd trust any German product to be more reliable than anything from Tiawan, or almost anywhere else , any day ...

I imagine that hobby shop didn't stock BeastX ???

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11-26-2010 10:32 AM  8 years agoPost 98
dairik

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MicroBeast reliability
Thanks Peterr and Red. Peterr I believe they are selling them (in large quantities like everyone else!). However I believe his personal experience only comes from using the VBar system and maybe a few others. He has not flown the BeastX.

His belief is that if you are going to fly top of the line helis, then you should only use the best equipment. I agree with that to some extent, but I am not an equipment snob. I believe that if enough people agree that a product is good and reliable (via hands on experience), then it can be used regardless of the price. Price does not always dictate quality.

I do like the maturity of the VBar and the features of the TotalG (built-in governor), but I don't know if the MB measures up. It is making it a tough decision! I want to do it right the first time.

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11-26-2010 02:04 PM  8 years agoPost 99
red_z06

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Here is a measure of a good company.

Unlike a mechanical component, electronic device mfgs rely on component mfg to provide parts needed for their design. While you do best to screen part defect, it is not always possible and sometimes it shows up in the hands of users.

Knowing this, companies have warranty policy to cover defects. I do not know the length of BeastX warranty or if the said faulty product was returned and repaired (if in warranty) or if the user paid a reasonable repair cost (out out warranty). When this is not followed, then it falls on the mfg being the issue not the part mfgs.

If there are faulty component found, a good device mfg will replace the item even after the warranty period. At the same time, that mfg will search for a better component mfg to replace the bad one. No company wants their device to fail prematurely. So, if the design foundation is solid, sourcing a better component isn't that difficult.

If the device does not function as intended, that is entirely different story. But, I don't see this being the case. Otherwise, I would be the first one to yank it out of Justin's heli.

Since mine hasn't failed, I can't say one way or another. But, I would be interested in knowing how the said faulty device and the user is treated. I am in the process of choosing a brand of 3G systems to go with as soon as my testing is done. Choosing a brand that has a good reputation takes a big part of the decision making.

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11-26-2010 03:03 PM  8 years agoPost 100
merlin3

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my personal opinion, I just uninstalled my total g in my rave and installed a beastx and the heli actually flies like it's supposed to now. I got sick of messing with the settings in the total g and it still never felt right. It flew horrible during any piro manuevers and just got annoying. Well we installed a beastx in it and just did basic setup and it flys absolutely awesome now. It flies like it has a flybar but with more power and quicker. I highly recommend trying out the beastx for anyone on the fence or if you worried about it because of it's low price. It really does fly great.

Justin - Team Horizon, Team Byron
2-700x, Trex 700n, small helis

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