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10-13-2010 09:09 PM  8 years agoPost 21
Philicopter

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Help has arrived
Well Danny at Esprit Model contacted me and has stepped up to help me out getting my Rave ENV back in the air. His generous offer will certainly take the sting of this unfortunate occurrence. Castle has of course already shipped a new controller to me. As much as we would all like the companies to pay for our losses they simply cannot afford to. I get that. If Castle or any other company bought us all new helicopters when their product failed they would all be out of business. Even just one would be precedence setting and every time someone crashed or a lipo or ESC caught fire or a blade delaminated or a bearing or motor seized it would be blamed on product failure and not user error. There is no real way to tell who is at fault in all cases and its just one of the chances we have to take in this or any other hobby. Hobbies can be expensive, especially this one. Sometimes we have to just take our licks and move on and learn from our experience and advise of peers. Oh one more thing I learned. Keep a fire extinguisher near by and ready to go. If I could have gotten the fire out sooner it may not have been so bad.

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10-13-2010 11:16 PM  8 years agoPost 22
LONEWOLF2440

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I still think Castle sucks

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10-14-2010 12:42 AM  8 years agoPost 23
iHover

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Anyone that is stupid enough to continue to try running what was obviously a totaly F ed up esc deserves to have thier **** burn right down to the ground. It sounds like the esc did everything short of slapping you in the face and demanding to be sent in for repair.

You had me at Hover

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10-14-2010 05:23 AM  8 years agoPost 24
Philicopter

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ea01bg Anyone that is stupid enough to continue to try running what was obviously a totaly F ed up esc deserves to have thier **** burn right down to the ground.
WOW. Really? How does a post like that in anyway help the hobby or community. I called Castle. I did what they told me to do. They have never steered me wrong in the past. Shame on me. I have heard of plenty of equipment failures from many brands, nearly all in fact. This is my first experience with an ESC bursting into flames. ea01big I hope you continue to have amazing good luck and perfect foresight because nobody deserves anything like this. Not even you.

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10-14-2010 11:57 AM  8 years agoPost 25
iHover

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I hope you continue to have amazing good luck and perfect foresight
How many times did your esc fail to work correctly before it caught fire? Foresight wasnt required just common sense.

You had me at Hover

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10-14-2010 01:29 PM  8 years agoPost 26
Ejeremy

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Some people are just ignorant Phil!! It obvious ea01bg didn't read the whole thread. Because he would of saw that castle told you to downgrade the software. Plus if you haven't heard or haven't seen this in person who would of ever thought this could of happen.

I'm sure castle gets phone calls all the time about this issue. If there product is defective (software hardware) they should step up and pull it off of the market. Ever here of a recall? Maybe there quality control needs to be looked over!

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10-14-2010 03:34 PM  8 years agoPost 27
iHover

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Actually I did read the entire thread. I read the post stating that the 1st Castle Support tech said to send it back. Subsequently another tech started the software downgrade upgrade fix which also didn’t work. At this point wouldn’t you start to think Gee maybe I should send this in for repair? NOPE Now he decides to try permanently downgrading the software and still run the defective esc.

Support centers usually work off scripts or expert systems. That’s not just this hobby but a general practice. They often have very little personnel knowledge of the equipment they support. If you press them into trying to fix a problem that isn’t part of that script or expert system you had better be prepared to run there solutions through you common sense filter.

You had me at Hover

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10-15-2010 04:01 AM  8 years agoPost 28
Philicopter

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I agree that I made a mistake taking the advise of the Castle tech however he was much more knowledgable and I trusted his advise. At that point I had no reason not to. The trouble seemed to be a simple software issue and others had success with that particular fix. The ESC did do strange things. Yes. However these strange things were consistent and testable. I thought the worst thing that could happen was it would reset. I have never had any experience with any component catching on fire. Still nobody deserves what happen nor disparaging comments by other members for an unfortunate instance.

Any words back on topic?

There is no perfect product in this hobby. Not every Castle ESC will catch on fire. It is actually very rare. There is tens of thousands of controllers out there more than most work just fine. There is horror stories with all brands even Kontronics catching on fire among other problems. There is just far fewer Kontronincs ESC in use so you don't hear as about it as often. I am going to give Castle another shot and hopefully I won't get BURNED. (pun fully intended) I was assured that QC and some management has had an overhaul. We shall see. It is their last chance.

Oh and take it from me. If your any brand ESC does something strange. Have it replaced.

Phil

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10-15-2010 09:46 AM  8 years agoPost 29
LONEWOLF2440

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Rare that Castles catch on fire now thats funny

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10-21-2010 09:23 PM  8 years agoPost 30
Buzzin Brian

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Phil,

If for some odd reason Esprit is missing something you need to get the bird back in the air let me know. I will do whatever I can to find you the missing items. I hate to see stuff like this. But will certainly help if I can.

Brian

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10-22-2010 05:58 AM  8 years agoPost 31
Philicopter

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Thanks
Thank you Brian. The support I have gotten from CYE in the past is second to none. So far I think I have everything to get the ENV back in the air. Danny at Esprit helped me get the parts I need. I haven't had the chance to put it back together yet because I have been busy building Sebart Models for Thunder Power to display at the iHobby Expo. I hope to rebuild it this weekend or next week. I really wont know if I have everything until I get started. I really appreciate the support from all who have stepped up. Its support like this that keeps me coming back.

Thanks again,
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10-22-2010 09:52 AM  8 years agoPost 32
LONEWOLF2440

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Which Esc are u gona use?

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10-31-2010 12:22 AM  8 years agoPost 33
Caliber-1

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Want a hasstle?

Buy a Castle........

#rd time the charm? Still ahead of a kontronics?

Not with all that dammage the fire did.

I was thinking of buying that new ice.....quite tempting it looks in the new case......over amped for my purposes........but after seeing this it sealed the deal.

I flew my ion x on an HV 110 for near 150 flights no prob. Speed controller always stayed cool and efficent. But once I jumped to 12s
from 10s
my ion x2 at the 16th flight put out a big puff of smoke inverted 20 foot from the ground as I was just ready to push inverted backwards flight.
Auto'ed bareley.......to my amazement the speed controller looked fine. It was the 400.00 actro motor that was fried. Why?
Simple....had a new castle 110HV never touched and was getting ready to put it in my FBless Ion x2 when I teasted it on a 6s Eflite power 60 and it skipped timing. The new speed controller seemed to work fine.
But thats all I needed to see after Jag72 was told when it happened to him on his first flight and destroyed his acro. He called them, and they said this to him...."running in gov mode on 12s is the limit pushing the controller and they are prone to fail.

There is a reason why kontonics are expensive. You simply cannot make the components cheap. Or they will fail. It cost money.
Ask the guys testing the new line of scorpions. They will tell you the same thing. And so will the guys I fly with.

Its tempting to save a little money.....it really is.....but for HV stuff you just can't skimp.

Hope this helps.

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10-31-2010 02:22 AM  8 years agoPost 34
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Thing I like about the JIVE is it is made in Germany with quality first and foremost. Do they fail sometimes, yes.. Near as much, no. Would never trust one on a 3-4k heli other then a JIVE or another high end one such as schultze or a few other high end ones. You can pay a few hundred less now or possibly pay a thousand later. Your choice. Thank gosh nice people like CYE/Espirit and other companies step up to bat to help the customer, when in turn the ccompany at fault should take responability. Would they be out of business, probably...Should they be? Maybe.

I know I would be out of a job if I wrote bad software the constantly failed without very tight QA. Different, but basically the same concept.

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02-15-2011 01:05 PM  7 years agoPost 35
Pistol Pete

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sorry about lost...

curious to know what head speeds were selected in set gov mode.

thanks

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02-15-2011 09:13 PM  7 years agoPost 36
Heliguychris

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Sorry to here it Philcopter, and i share your trepidation, of what to try next.

I smoked 120CC( just a puff), nuked a 125 Hacker(fireball), and just plain had the powerjive 120 die in the a$$.(constant cutouts, and then 7 flashes on plugin)

I was totally screwed on the concept. Nothing worked. They all failed, and half the heli world was saying "cause youve got to use X brand" whilst the other half is saying "use Y brand".

All ya wanna do is fly!

Glad to hear your getting it sorted mate

My personal last gasp attempt at having a heli like the pro dudes, was going for a German made Actro motor, and refitting a brand new Hacker speedie, which the Japanese National F3C team uses, despite having one of these fireball my ENV. Hacker masterspin 125.

Good news is i racked up like 300 flights on this combo now, and they seem to play very nicely together, even flying it stupid, trying to make it fail.

All the best mate, hope ya back in the air real soon

I guess the one thing we could all agree on, is none of the esc`s are perfect, and as such, we should perhaps look at mounting them on the peripheries of the airframe, as opposed to inside, where they cant be got out or ripped off in a hurry.

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02-16-2011 06:17 AM  7 years agoPost 37
Philicopter

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Yep it happens to even the best
The best is whatever your heart and mind say it is. Everyone has a reason for choosing a product or brand. It may be on good reputation. It may be because you like the way it looks. It may be because you like the experiences you've had in the past. You might like where it was made or a certain feature only it can do. Maybe because its the inexpensive one. You might even feel buying the one that cost the most must be the best, and maybe it is. It all turned out fine for me so far with Castle. The bottom line is Im still having fun.

Phil

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02-16-2011 01:30 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Pistol Pete

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. He called them, and they said this to him...."running in gov mode on 12s is the limit pushing the controller and they are prone to fail.
This is a very interesting piece of information.

Now im wondering even more as to the set gov settings involved. That and at what percentage was it indicating in software.

Hopefully ill get a reply. Phil?

~~Enjoying the hobby one flight at a time~~

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02-16-2011 10:09 PM  7 years agoPost 39
Philicopter

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Gov speeds
Hopefully ill get a reply. Phil?
At the time I was running 1750 1950 and 2050 with the 4035 560kv with a 12T pinion on new 12s 5000mAH 45c Thunder Power packs. I don't recall the margins. This was a common setup that many ran and still do with no issues. It was a defective ESC from the start(see the first few post in this thread).

The problem occurred immediately, while still in a hover. Right after lift off it seemed anemic. In one early test flight the pinion was slipping so that was my first suspicion. Sadly I was mistaken. It was the ESC going up in flames. gave it a pump of collective and right then noticed the smoke. The previous handful of flights went off without a hitch. Excellent power.

I hope that helps,
Phil

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02-16-2011 10:19 PM  7 years agoPost 40
Supercoolheli

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The problem occurred immediately, while still in a hover
Exactly the same with mine...and i was even in fixed endpoints!

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