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10-16-2010 03:19 AM  8 years agoPost 121
billybob

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I'll ask it again, how does outsourcing BENEFIT this country? No disrotations, just answer the question

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10-16-2010 03:31 AM  8 years agoPost 122
lfalsetto

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Outsourcing drives down the cost of domestic wages and drives up the cost of domestic benefits, Less people paying into insurance pools drives up cost of benefits.

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10-16-2010 06:03 AM  8 years agoPost 123
fla heli boy

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I've known MANY, MANY people that got paid 30-40 bucks an hour to do a 10 dollar an hour job. THAT is why things get outsourced.

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10-16-2010 11:41 AM  8 years agoPost 124
billybob

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i'll agree with that, but, again how does taking jobs out of this country benefit the U.S.A. i've heard alot on how it benefits the company.

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10-16-2010 02:27 PM  8 years agoPost 125
fla heli boy

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NOBODY is saying that. That's just obvious. The problem is the government gives most companies no incentive to keep the jobs here.
With the group in power now, it's all about tax, tax and tax some more.
This country has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. Plus, the cost involved with complying with the US tax code is enormous.
Everybody should read the book by Neal Boortz - "Fair Tax". A very good read and a great solution to a lot of our problems. The only problem with such a system is that it would put many CPA's and tax attorneys out of business (and almost eliminate the IRS) and they're just not going to let that happen. You can thank lobbyists and lawyers (once again) for that one.
Can't everybody just imagine: if you didn't have to file tax returns anymore and if when you got your check, you got every penny you earned (less your insurance,etc.)????? I was skeptical until I read the book. It's doable.

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10-16-2010 03:21 PM  8 years agoPost 126
billybob

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whats obvious? this country spent sixty years fighting communism, now we help it grow it's economy by sending our jobs there. china's ecomomy is growing, but do think the 20 cent an hour workers lives are improving??? tax breaks for unemploying american worker???sounds like a good plan...for the excutives, they certainly seem to benefit.
do you think maybe large corporation have lobbyists in washington swaying law maker's to thier agenda's,hmmm. tax won't go way, it's the way intrest is paid on the i.o.u's that the government borrows from the federal reserve. large corporations is the government and would love to have the same type of work system here that they have in china and others, it's just those pesky unions that keep getting in the way.

and my quetion has still not been anwsered, other than it's "obvious", if it's obvious than please explain it.

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10-16-2010 07:09 PM  8 years agoPost 127
TheWoodCrafter

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i'll agree with that, but, again how does taking jobs out of this country benefit the U.S.A. i've heard alot on how it benefits the company.
I don't think it benefits the country directly but it does benefit the company by keeping it in product that is competitively priced. Again, the only reason a company would manufacture offshore is because it is cheap to product the product. If they didn't do that they would not be able to sell it because the competition is cheaper. They just could not sell it.
The only way it benefits the country, the way I see it, is if a company did not manufacture offshore they would go out of business and tax revenue would go down and fewer "office" people would have jobs.

It is pretty much a matter of survival for these corporations. Manufacture offshore to lower costs so they can stay competitive or go out of business.

Thanks, TheWoodCrafter

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10-17-2010 07:06 AM  8 years agoPost 128
dkshema

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How does it benefit the country?

Would you rather that corporation simply close its doors forever and let a foreign corporation move in and take over that sector of the market permanently?

That US corporation still has plenty of jobs here in the US and it still pays its share of taxes. The employees still here in the US continue to pay THEIR taxes and they continue to buy products, thereby keeping the economy moving along.

You seem to think that the government is giving tax breaks to corporations for outsourcing jobs. The government is DRIVING corporations to outsource by its predatory an confiscatory tax policies. There IS a difference there.
this country spent sixty years fighting communism, now we help it grow it's economy by sending our jobs there.
Gee, have you bothered to take a look at what we have in Washington, D.C. at present?

We have a President who IS at least a socialist, if not a flat-out communist. He has surrounded himself with cabinet members, advisers, staff, "czars of every description" and has filled many department head positions with people who can only be described as "very left, if not radically left, politically."

The President raided General Motors and Chrysler, gutting the companies after first villifying their management, nationalizing them, and then finally handing their control over to the Unions who supported him. This was payback for the union support of his campaign.

The President has continually publicly villified Wall Street, the Pharmaceutical Industry, Insurance companies, the Banking Industry, and anyone who does not agree with his policies. As you demonstrate by your posts here, it is very easy to get people to believe that corporations are evil, their leaders corrupt, and therefore, need to be done away with (nationalized, gutted, and the remains passed over to the unions who supported the campaign).

Nancy Pelosi -- Speaker of the House, Harry Reid -- Senate Majority Leader, very very left leaning, again espousing socialist principles, and governing not as a Representative Republic, but as a soft tyranny.

The President, apparently believes as you do, that the country was built on the backs of the poor and downtrodden, and that he must now give them their due. He continually attacks corporations of all sizes, portraying them and their leaders as villainous, shady, and crooked. After destroying a particular corporation, dismantles it in the name of the "people" who were betrayed by the corporation.

He demonizes that which he wishes to destroy, using class-envy as a powerful tool. His tactics are directly out of "Rules for Radicals" written by Saul Alinsky. Those "rules" require an organizer to use a process combining hope and resentment to create a "mass army" that brings in as many recruits as possible from local organizations (ACORN, for example), churches, services groups, labor unions (SEIU, for example), corner gangs, and individuals (George Soros, for example). If you have followed the news since our current president has been in office, he has been very very close to Andy Stern, who until recently was President of the Service Employee International Union (and who apparently suddenly resigned when it was reported that he is being investigated for corruption)....

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10-17-2010 01:43 PM  8 years agoPost 129
billybob

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ok, first off i'm not right, left or even realy middle, who ever is in power will drive policy to thier agenda.
i know, the current regime is anti corporation and supports the dead beats(read all my posts). I know the last regime was very pro corporation and heavily supported outsourcing,yes,yes i know clinton signed NAFTA, but it was the right who got the ball rolling. as you say people like me have been hoodwinked into believing that "corporations are evil" (please quote me where i said corporations are "evil", i simply don't agree with the way major ones are managed and it's the workers that pay for it while the brass gets bonuses for poor performance). people like you have been lead to believe that these "poor,poor companies" are doing everything they can, and outsourcing is just the lesser of two evils. i believe there are ways to bring jobs back here and get people working again, but thats going to cut into the brass's pocket and we cant have that. unions support the left's campaigns to get what they want? well guess what, major corporatons support the right's campaigns to get what they want. answer me this, jobs are going away and NOT coming back, if jobs go away, how is the GDP going to grow, how is the economy going to heal, more on welfare, putting this country deeper and deeper in debt, it's a downward spiral and YOU seem to support this. where i work, i know some middle managment guys pretty well and they are very good people and agree with me, but they just work were they work and see it also, so it's not just us "Evil union guys". banks, wich are CORPORATIONS have been loaning money to stupid people that they full well knew could not pay them back but did it anyway and it was the law makers that "forced" them to do it, WELL, the law makers ARE the bankers, example, senator rockafella, guess who his brother is yup, david rockafella, geuss what he does for a living?? i don't expect you to agree with me as i will never agree with you or any others that see it as you do, but this has been an interesting debate non the less, have a good day.

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10-17-2010 02:16 PM  8 years agoPost 130
shawmcky

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History
will no doubt one day show what happened when capitalism handed production to communism,good or bad, so the communists could become capitalists Everthing is about money and power.

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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10-17-2010 02:42 PM  8 years agoPost 131
fla heli boy

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the only solution, as we all know. is drastic cuts in Federal spending along with lowering of taxes, both corporate and personal. It's the only way to get the economy off the snide. Some companies could actually hire right now, but will not do so because of the imminent rise in cost of doing business. Heck, the people that passed the laws don't even know what they passed. How is a small corporation supposed to figure it out??? It's easy, they won't even try. They'll stick with the status quo and see how it shakes out. Then when they see how it shakes out, they'll probably end up laying off more people. This group is killing American business and they know it.

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10-28-2010 04:49 AM  8 years agoPost 132
dkshema

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This thread kind of died, but this evening, as I was driving home from work, I was listening to the local radio stations. Since we're less than a week from the mid-term elections, the political ads between radio segments were hard to miss. Actually, they've been hard to miss for the past week or so, the tempo has picked up.

What struck me suddenly, in the middle of evening rush-hour traffic, was that all of the ads for the democrat incumbent were trashing their republican challengers using the same talking-point rhetoric.

"Don't vote for my republican opponent because he/she voted for billions in corporate tax cuts for companies to send tens-of-thousands of jobs overseas".

One attack ad would have been OK. But all of them no matter where the radio station happens to be located (different congressional districts), the ads use the same rhetoric. Talking points. Nothing but useless political talking points with no basis in reality.

That sounded much like billybob's initial entry into this thread. It led me to wonder where billybob got his info about this from...

So, I decided to look up "corporate tax breaks to send jobs overseas" (or several differently worded search phrases) to see WHAT legislation these people were talking about. I got zillions of hits, most all of them by a democrat accusing his republican opponent of this dire action.

It appears that the most recent incarnation of this idea, and the one against which the ensconced democrat party keeps railing about with respect to their opponents, is based on the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004.

That led me to researching THAT topic. Lo and behold, this was a one-year long experiment by Congress to allow multinational corporations to defer a large percentage of their taxes on earnings from their overseas operations, those taxes would eventually be paid when the earnings were finally "brought back home" where the taxes would be paid.

Research in THAT area shows that what has been attributed as a "failed Bush policy" simply wasn't. Rather, the Congress has been dabbling in this kind of tax law since at least the early 1960s. This tax repatriation business has been around for at least 50 years, and of those 50 years, the Congress has been primarily run by the democrat party who wrote those tax laws.

It seems that the most recent batch of rhetoric about corporate tax breaks and sending jobs overseas is nothing more than a political falsehood perpetrated by the current administration and its allies to paint all who oppose its tax and spend agenda as wackos, evil, and greedy. The rhetoric, however, doesn't really support the real facts.

FactCheck.org does a pretty good job at explaining exactly what is going on, what the arguments are, and how the ideas being used by the democrat party to paint republicans as evil are a smoke screen.

On the surface, the charge that "so and so voted for the rich corporations while sending jobs overseas" sounds like something that should be avoided at all cost. But it's all political rhetoric and has no basis in fact, in light of what is actually happening. The people levying this charge are banking on the idea that the voting populace is lazy, ignorant, and simply will believe what they hear.

If one takes the time to stop, think, research, and understand what is going on, one learns this is just more political spin that is being whipped up by a political party that is on the verge of experiencing what has been characterized as a "tidal wave".

It would appear that by November 3rd, we will all have a good understanding of how useful "faith, hope, and change" has been.

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10-28-2010 05:45 AM  8 years agoPost 133
ScaleBrad

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I've known MANY, MANY people that got paid 30-40 bucks an hour to do a 10 dollar an hour job. THAT is why things get outsourced.
You must be referring to management, and their ultimate manager, the CEO ??

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10-28-2010 07:00 AM  8 years agoPost 134
philip 01

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banking on the idea that the voting populace is lazy, ignorant, and simply will believe what they hear.
been working a long long time.
You must be referring to management, and their ultimate manager, the CEO
it's a big picture. work for yourself for a few years, you'll see it.

you get to be the janitor and ceo.

and do it in something that still pays after you quit doing it. not easy but rewarding.

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10-28-2010 07:51 AM  8 years agoPost 135
Flying Brian

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it's a big picture. work for yourself for a few years, you'll see it.

you get to be the janitor and ceo.
Well said!!

"I just don't Listen" "

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10-28-2010 12:59 PM  8 years agoPost 136
billybob

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been working a long long time
so you're a voter then
The people levying this charge are banking on the idea that the voting populace is lazy, ignorant, and simply will believe what they hear.
seems to work for the right very well also.

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10-28-2010 01:35 PM  8 years agoPost 137
fla heli boy

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You must be referring to management, and their ultimate manager, the CEO ??
No Brad, not at all. I'm talking about somebody running 4 bolts into an intake manifold per vehicle. Or maybe snapping on 2 pieces of window trim on an Oldsmobile. I grew up in Lansing. A lot of my friends worked for GM and most of one side of my family. My grandfather was a plant foreman for a power company. Believe me when I say, I've seen it and lived it, generations deep. The problem starts at the bottom.
My GM friends LIVED to get laid off back in the day. That plus their lives revolved around changeover.

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10-28-2010 01:51 PM  8 years agoPost 138
billybob

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i would have to agree, the us auto factory workers have worked hard at putting themselves out of work, i'm sorry, but slapping bumpers on cars and trucks is not realy a skilled labor and getting 30 bucks an hour to do it...well, but the flip side is that these "overpaid" under worked employees are keeping the local ecomomy going wich are business owners so they must like these "overpaid" workers...makes there life good. ofcourse, these workers would not be making 30 bucks an hour if it was not for those "evil unions". you see...unions are good for business too until it becomes inconvieniant, then it's all the unions fault.

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10-28-2010 02:14 PM  8 years agoPost 139
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Guys, there is still money to be made in healthcare. The baby-boom generation in getting older, and someone needs to be there to care for these people. It's pretty hard to outsource wiping someone's butt to a factory in China. We are importing countless nurses and doctors from India, the Phillipines, Kenya, and even China because apparently Americans do not want to work in the healthcare field. But if you're willing to work for an hourly wage, and you're willing to do work which is sometimes dirty and gross, there is still money to be made here in America.

You can go to school and become a Licensed Vocational Nurse in 12 months. LVN's make about $18-$20 and hour. There are LOTS of job openings for LVNs. There is lots of overtime available.

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10-28-2010 02:28 PM  8 years agoPost 140
fla heli boy

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billybob: unions are fine, right up to the point where they quit listening to their members. I've seen lots of strikes where the members are very unhappy about being on a picket line. Your choice??? Cross the line, be labeled a scab for the rest of your days.
My biggest problem with unions is them striking and putting themselves out of work. Happens all the time. If I'm a flea, do I really want the dog I've been riding for 10 years to die??? The workers may care, the unions rarely do.
If you can get reasonable people running a union and reasonable people running a company, I believe you can make a company stronger and more prosperous as a team. The problem is that one side or both, just doesn't care to listen.
We all should admit that unions are a big problem in politics. Way too much influence on elections. When you have the SEIU which is very pro Dem, being in charge of the polling machines in Nevada, YOU HAVE A VERYYYYY BIG PROBLEM. Watch the problems crop up there in a few days.,

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