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08-16-2010 02:41 AM  7 years agoPost 1
jaync

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Hello, im not trying to start a war or anything but how can anyone justify paying 1000 more for the same size heli. I priced out a logo 500se and its double the price of a trex 600 fbl. I understand that logo is some pretty high end stuff, and I would use the mini vbar in the trex but I'm just a weekend flyer and not in competition. I'm just getting back into helis after a 4 year break and currently have a trex 450 pro and it flies great but I want something bigger with good performance. Should I just save longer for the logo or does the trex 600 fly good for a weekend flyer.

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08-16-2010 03:13 AM  7 years agoPost 2
NTM

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I like the logos because they're reliable, they need very little maintenance,they're quiet, won't wear out, and fly better than most helis. They are also lighter than most helis, which gives more in flight performance and more flight time.
The price difference is well worth it to me.

The logo is a better heli, period.
If you can afford to spoil yourself, go for it.
If the trex is more in line with your budget, go for that.

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08-16-2010 03:21 AM  7 years agoPost 3
jaync

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Thanks for the reply, hard to decide.......

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08-16-2010 03:25 AM  7 years agoPost 4
aviation

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Why a logo
I have owned both and if you want to get the Wow factor, you will wait for the Logo. The parts are readly available and the smoothness and agility is suburb to anything thing that I have flown. That is not to say that other helis are not good but my money goes for the Logo. The maintenance factor is also limited to the normal checks for safety reasons. I have the 500SE running on 12S with 3300 packs. Now I have the fever and will buy another Logo 600 or 600SE.

Fly what you can afford as long as you are enjoying it, this is the most important issue.

aviation

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08-16-2010 03:25 AM  7 years agoPost 5
aviation

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Why a logo
It went on twice by error.

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08-16-2010 03:59 AM  7 years agoPost 6
Blades345

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The Logo is a great flying model, with little maintenance, great power due to being lightweight, low parts count, and all around a great heli. If you can't afford it, just stick with the Trex 600, but if you can save some money and buy it then do it. It'll be worth it if you save the money and buy it.

I understand that Align is great because it comes with electronics in the package, but it will never be a Mikado.

When u don't feel like soaring through the air with a plane, beat it into submission w/ a heli!

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08-16-2010 04:14 AM  7 years agoPost 7
yannick

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hello

I have been an align flyer and had lots of them (500, 600N and E, 700N / flybarred and 3G). Now I have only 2 logos (400 and 500SE) with vbar5. I still have to solve a little vibe issue with the L500 but so far my experience with logos is amazing (and i had a lot of brand of helis before)

I would say that comparing a T600 3G with a L500SE Vbar5 is not possible as we are not at all speaking about the same thing.

The 3G T600 will fly very well.

The L500 Vbar 5 is different, smoother, quieter, it gives a strange confidence feeling in the air that I never got with the align or any other heli before (difficult to explain). You can set it very smooth and stable and have at the same time an amazing reactivity, and you get all that with low revs if you want...(impossible to imagine on a flybarred machine).

I will not say that it flys better but the pleasure to fly the logo (even the little 400) is WAY above the pleasure I got to fly anything else before. I think I love these machines

Anyway, if you go flybarless with any machine, do not compromise the servos, they must be fast, otherwise you will not get the best result of your FBL machine.

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08-16-2010 08:27 AM  7 years agoPost 8
Wogboy

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You said it yourself: high-end stuff! Unfortunately German engineering is not cheap, but you do get an awesome heli. Only have the 400 FBL myself, but it hasn't missed a beat in over 250 flights. Haven't replaced anything but a stripped main gear.

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08-16-2010 12:57 PM  7 years agoPost 9
mmc205

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I flew Hirobo, trex (250 and 500), and have flown other peoples trex 600's, raptor 50's and 90's and my logo 600 flies better than all of them.

Of all the others, the trex 500 was probably my favorite, but the high parts count and poorly made components made me fly strictly logos. I was even mentioning to a buddy the other day how little maintenance logo's need compared to other machines. They are designed to be as robust, light and simple as possible using the best amalgamation of aluminum and high quality plastic. Even items like bearings included in the kit are much higher quality that the ones align uses. I bought a few used and recently assembled my first logo 600se and the build was.....to quick so few parts and the thing went together so fast and easy that it was over before i started. Great parts quality though, better than i've seen on any other kit. Well worth the higher price.

If your going to get just one, i'd say get the 600. It it the most adaptable, and by most accounts flies the best out of any of them. and the conversion to a 500 (500-550) or 600 se (690's) is pretty inexpensive. If you build a solid 600, you can also jump to a 600se by only changing the boom, blades, belt, tr servo pushrod.

I can't say enough about them. They are built to do what they do. No bling for the sake of bling, and all in all, very reasonable part costs when you crash.

GO FOR IT, its totally worth it!!

***Logo 600 vbar***Henseleit TDR vbar***

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08-16-2010 01:03 PM  7 years agoPost 10
SGrim80

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IMHO a Logo isn't much more than a T600.

Take the electronics you had budgeted for the logo and then add a t600 kit, fbl head, and subtract what you could sell the align motor and esc for.

Prices should be similar then. Don't have time to do the math right now...

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08-16-2010 06:11 PM  7 years agoPost 11
KC

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08-17-2010 01:17 AM  7 years agoPost 12
64Bit

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The Trex 600 is a great flying heli. Its strong, Its reliable and it can do all the manoeuvres. It is very stable and easy to fly. Parts everywhere. Upgrades galore. You will not be disappointed.

So, why then did I switch to a logo 600. Its that much more fun and flies that much better.

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08-17-2010 03:45 AM  7 years agoPost 13
SGrim80

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...and you don't NEED upgrades

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08-17-2010 06:21 AM  7 years agoPost 14
jaync

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I appreciate all the replies. Wow you guys must either have a lot more patience than I do or make a lot more than I do. When I want something I want it all ready to fly. I dont know if I could torture myself buying a logo with the vbar and put it together and wait another couple months watching it sit on a shelf until I could afford the rest of the gear. Or I could sell my whole trex 450 set up and buy a speed control for a logo lol. Wow those things are expensive..

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08-17-2010 08:47 AM  7 years agoPost 15
ElectricSheep

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Two more things to note:

(1) When something is cheap, there's a reason it's cheap. Not my original thought/idea -- that's just the way it is for just about everything. Think about that when the bundled electronics are sold off for peanuts once you realize that's all they're really worth. Or the design and/or material deficiencies are so great that you almost have to buy "upgrades." Which add to the cost of the heli.

Remember, entire companies make a great business selling "upgrades." KDE Direct, G-Force, Microheli, RC Booya, etc. etc. Also notice that when someone (me included) moves over from a T-Rex to a Logo, one of the first questions asked is "What upgrades to I need." The "need for upgrades" is virtually a given. But for Logos in general, like SGrim80 said... Upgrades? None.

To be fair, Custom Heli Parts, Kaos, Quick UK, and HD sell Logo-compatible parts. I bought a Quick UK tail (~ $55?) for my 600SE, and a CHP gyro tray for my 400 ($8.99). But IMO the vast majority of those aftermarket parts are alternatives vs. necessary upgrades. And I'll bet that Logo parts are but a small fraction of their overall business -- not the majority.

(2) Some businesses hook you on the initial price, and make the bulk of their revenue and profits on the "consumables" or replacement parts. Think: laser and inkjet printer companies. Razors. So why was it so important that I have T-Rex parts readily available? Because stuff like main shaft bearings were shot after 40 flights. Or the screws/bolts stripped with just light/moderate torque ("Cheesium" metal alloy, as they say on RC Heli Nation). Or the umbrella gears on my torque tube stripped after the tail touched 3 blades of grass.

And the suggestion to consider a 550E:
and another alternative to consider is the trex550...personally I would take that over a logo 500, parts everywhere,
Break just one frame side and every hobby shop will gladly sell you a pair (and they only sell them in pairs) of 1.6mm CF side frames for $118.99.

Side note: I was at my LHS and these guys were fixing their crashed 550Es. I'm sitting there, looking at them doubling up the frames, and they say to me: "This is what the 550E pilots are doing now. Double them up -- that's a strong frame! It won't break!" I say to them: "I agree -- that looks pretty strong, but you just paid $238 for a replacement frame."

Anyway, if any other company said, "super-strong replacement frames available... Only $238/set" get ready for the sound of gnashing of teeth, and a thousand "WTF?" wails.

Just trying to provide some other things to think about.

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08-17-2010 01:09 PM  7 years agoPost 16
mmc205

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+1 above, interesting post, the thought of doubling up those 550e frames is pretty funny!

Definitely good comments though. Logos are made to fly, no upgrades necessary. If you want to see what a logo can withstand look at kyle dahls flying. With the exception of changing the belt every 100 flights or so (preventively) and the head dampers, i think most of kyle's machines have 100's if not 1000 flights with no appreciable wear, all on the stock parts.

pm or ask dave dahl for more details on this, i'm just re-iterating what i have heard from him. He's a straight up guy and will give you the low down on anything logo maintenance/repair related.

***Logo 600 vbar***Henseleit TDR vbar***

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08-17-2010 05:53 PM  7 years agoPost 17
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08-17-2010 07:56 PM  7 years agoPost 18
NTM

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So the downside of the $2000-3000.00 helis is that yes you have to pick out the components to get that performance, and yes you have to wait for basic parts in the summer because there are a lot of people out there who buy Logos and Min-airs thinking they will get huge performance gains every flight and then go push the **** out of them looking for monster gains in dumb **** moves like 'faster tic tocs' and other masturbatory 3d maneuvers that are hard on any heli......surprise, bad flying is bad flying and we are guilty of it sometimes.

The way the fancy schmancy heli works is, you spent 2-3 times more for one, then you realize that it costs a lot and then you start to treat it 2-3 times better and voila then you will get 2-3 times more life from it and then realize hey you could have done that with your trex too all along.

btw, the suggestion I made before to save a grand while building a two-grand heli requires some effort and patience ya know
Bang on with the jive comment.
Not sure I follow the logic of the rest of it...

I fly my most expensive logos the hardest, because I have confidence in their ability to stay in one piece and fly in a predictable manner, no matter how hard you push it.

Whether or not that reliability and performance is worth the money to an individual is really up to them. In the end I think you should fly the best that you can afford, time is precious, why waste it on a heli that's less enjoyable to fly ?
$1000 more is nothing at all if you figure how much the average person spends on this hobby over a five year period.

BTW the logo 500 is indeed a fairly large upgrade over the logo 14.
I owned several logo 14's, and put their components directly into the logo 500/600 when it was released and was immediately rewarded with more "pop" (from the full size servos), even though the helis themselves were heavier than the logo 14's had been.
Tail control is also much improved on the logo 500 when flying hard due to the different tail drive ratio. The old logo 14 was optimized for a mere 1900 rpm on the head.
The carbon side frame costs are pretty tough to swallow on the logo 14's too, I hated breaking those...
The logo 14 is still a nice heli, but the 500/600 generation is worth the extra coin if you're flying hard at all.

Regards,
Nathan

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08-17-2010 08:13 PM  7 years agoPost 19
misfits0311

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24 bucks is much better than 59 (half the 118 for the mandatory pair) bucks to me. http://www.readyheli.com/MIK4058-Le...00_p_35300.html

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08-18-2010 02:44 AM  7 years agoPost 20
rich m

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Because I have one for sale

https://rc.runryder.com/t603575p1/

Team Heli Wholesaler

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