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08-15-2010 10:56 PM  8 years agoPost 1
husafreak

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I read and saw with interest that Kyle Dahl competed with a Logo 600 and not a Logo 600SE. For us mere mortals, why is that?

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08-15-2010 11:11 PM  8 years agoPost 2
LaurenceGough

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I've read the 600SE can catch the wind a little bit too easily sometimes.

I feel personally that the 600SE is more for the very big air / light feeling stuff. Leave the regular Logo 600 to the hard 3D .

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08-16-2010 12:06 AM  8 years agoPost 3
NTM

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The 600se can lay some pretty good smack too.
Kyle's se is a bit underpowered as he's running 10s on his 5020-450. 12s really wakes that motor up.
If I wanted to fly very aggressive 3d, I'd reach for the regular 600.
If I wanted to fly a bit of everything, I'd reach for the 600se.

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08-16-2010 09:28 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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Go to "All My RC" forum (the IRCHA 2010 coverage videos...they are the first to get some good ones posted...others will follow of course), and watch Kyle's Logo 600SE demos, and then watch his "One" competition flight.

You will see the SE can be flown aggressively, and will do it all. But the standard 600 has a slight edge when it come to collective "pop".

Now put the SE on 12S and raise the head speed and that's a different story. But then you get into flight parameters the SE is not designed for.

The videos will show the difference (-:

dave

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08-16-2010 01:26 PM  8 years agoPost 5
NTM

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You don't even need to raise the headspeed Dave.
1800-1900 is fine, it's just that the power system won't load up so badly.
Sneak some 12s packs from someone to try, you'll be impressed.

For whatever reason, the 5020-450 is kind of weak on an 11 tooth with 12s, if you give it a go, use a 12 tooth and dial the gov % back.
It's strange, because the pyro 700-45, having the same kv, is very powerful on an 11 tooth.
The pyro is also very smooth on power delivery, smoother than a 5020-450 on 10s, if durability with 12s is a concern to you.

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08-17-2010 02:54 AM  8 years agoPost 6
husafreak

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Well thanks as allways, and I'm glad Mr. Dahl chimed in, I will watch the videos. Now, if someone were to fly a 600 and 600SE with the same lightweight setup and 600mm blades would he notice a difference? I mean the only difference would be a 25mm longer tailboom... I don't think I could tell the difference.

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08-17-2010 04:16 AM  8 years agoPost 7
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I subscribed to Allmyrc and it is a nice site. I was able to watch several of Kyle's XFC flights with a yellow/green Logo but could not find SE demos and the search function was no help... I did enjoy the music Kyle flew to! He can load my Ipod anytime. It didn't hurt that I just saw Rush perform "temples" with my 15 year old son last week

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08-17-2010 03:32 PM  8 years agoPost 8
RCSavager

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Here's a little help. The announcer is annoying but the flight is great. It really shows off the SE machine and what it can do in the hands of a very skilled pilot.

Watch at YouTube

And here you can compare it to the 600 standard. Not a whole lot of difference really. I'm sure Kyle is more used to the 600 after flying it for so long but I'd guess that he'll be competing with the 700 come 2011.

Watch at YouTube

And of course his "One" flight (to rule them all).

Watch at YouTube

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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08-17-2010 05:42 PM  8 years agoPost 9
husafreak

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Hey, thanks a lot for doing that, for taking the time and all. Maybe I need to get more computer savvy and learn how to find and embed videos too...
The 600SE does have the look and sound of a 700 class heli and the 600 does seem more like my 600's in sound and maybe less floaty. They both perform the same maneuvers and all, just with a different feel. I noticed the SE flew for one minute less and nothing left for an auto, pretty short flight time.
Is there a site where we can see Kyle's setups? Probably here somewhere, I'll look for it. I did gather from the announcer that he used 10s 45c packs, Kontronic 120HV Scorpion 5020-450 motor and Edge blades at 1850rpm. The announcer was annoying! Pretty typical of the breed though, Kyle is cutting the grass and this guy is shouting lower, lower... I do prefer the yellow and green canopy, it is much easier for me to stay oriented and avoid confusion if I can see a big black canopy against a light background.

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08-18-2010 09:29 PM  8 years agoPost 10
dahld

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Quote, "I noticed the SE flew for one minute less and nothing left for an auto..."

The reason the SE flew only around 4 minutes in the above video, is that at 3:51 (although it is hard to see in the video), Kyle bumped the tail fin in the grass going backwards, and jammed the tail gearbox forward slightly, loosening the belt. It resulted in the belt skipping when he used the tail hard, and although he tried a maneuver or two to see if it would hold...the tail was mushy, so he landed early.

No damage to the heli, and the belt was fine, even after skipping some. I just tightened it back-up, and away it went for the rest of the event.

Kyle normally gets 5:30 with his SE, using 5000mah packs (10S).

As for autos with the SE, don't let the video fool you. Due to the heli being lame, Kyle hit throttle hold and just hovered the heli until the energy was gone, and plopped it down. Due to its lighter disc loading, the SE has far more energy in autos than a standard Logo 600.

(-: dave

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08-18-2010 09:33 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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And that's why we (me & Becky) own both the 600 and the 600SE).

Cuz they BOTH are the best of Mikado and we couldn't have spent our coin more wisely.

Once you try steak, is hard to go back to hotdogs.

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08-19-2010 07:34 AM  8 years agoPost 12
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Cool story bro! Thanks for sharing a pretty amazing event. It looked like the flight was cut short but I mistakenly thoyght it was a fading battery. I may just get an SE and decide whether to run 600 or 690 blades based on my own experience. If i got 10s 4500 mah and the right motor I could go either way.

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