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08-29-2010 12:32 AM  8 years agoPost 21
gixxer

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Thanks for your prompt reply DougsRC! I do have a Rappy 30 and a Trex 450SE with 401 gyro, 9c radio but i feel it is too dangerous unless there is an open field. The crashed on these FP usually results in little or no damage.

I figure if you can fly with little preflight log and at home the more you will fly it.

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08-29-2010 12:36 AM  8 years agoPost 22
DougsRC

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The crashed on these FP usually results in little or no damage unless i'm flying stupid when i'm getting bored.
I hear ya 100 percent Check out HeliDirects Esky stuff, I really like the King 3 for backyard stuff--- you obviously already know how to fly.

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08-29-2010 01:23 AM  8 years agoPost 23
gixxer

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I fly but I don't fly very well. I can just zoom around the air.I've seen numberouse video here and you guys know how to fly with insane fast 3d without loosing orientation, wow. When i'm ready i'm going to ask what is the best starter 3d to minimize cost on crashes.

I was taught by someone whom stresses preflight logs because of the dangers of large helis with the risk of loosing control from mechanical failures increasing the chances of injury. Therefore I was more interested in the 450 size thinking it was safer. After seeing the insane rotor speed of my trex it seems more dangerous than the rappy due to the size and stability of the heli.

Now I'm stepping down to these smaller FP flyers. These in my opinion doesn't require preflights because the slow rotor speed that can't really hurt anyone if something happens.

I was thinking about a trex 250 and adjusting to a slow flyer but i fear the CP's high rotor speed would take the whole point of a safe heli away. I see a lot of they honeybee v2 on ebay but will check out that site you recommmended also.

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08-29-2010 02:14 AM  8 years agoPost 24
DougsRC

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gixxer, this is a vid from our very own "toolman18" flying an Esky FP heli and having a ball. Very cheap to crash-- racin06 also has alot of experience with the FP heli's so hopefully they will chime in at some point--- but in the meantime, enjoy this awesome viddy for inspiration !

Watch at YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fec_UChhGTk

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08-29-2010 02:58 AM  8 years agoPost 25
toolman18

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FP is great fun. Hard to fly in windy conditions. 20 plus winds in the above video. No mods. Completely stock. Great to learn on. Twice it crashed on its side from at least 40 ft up and i just pulled the blades out and flew off. Cant beat it. Although i cant go back now. Hung up on CP helis. CP makes it easier to fly in winds.

When you can outfly the FP then its time to go to CP helis.

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08-29-2010 03:17 AM  8 years agoPost 26
gixxer

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I just ordered from that site you recommended. That is a hugh open space for a fp heli. Hummingbird parts are harder to come by and I really like the design of the honeybee V2 and decided to use that as a replacement since my mini century bird is 5 years old.

I was considering the blade SR 120 but this hbv2 looks like it can handle more wind, better radio and less $$. I let everyone know what I think about the way this flies. I just hope the CG is more balanced on this V2 version 2 whatever this is.

This frame looks like it's from the honeybee king 2? Is it that big. Wish they made a brushless version for longevity.

True cp are the way to go with wind and more fun since they take off like a rocket.

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09-01-2010 05:28 AM  8 years agoPost 27
Proseph

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So ive been hovering around in the garage/yard for the last few weeks.
Started the side in hovers and im getting the hang of it.

I noticed the motor gets super hot after a 10-12 minute hover.
Anyway i decided to cut the HB cover so that the motor/heat sink is exposed to the wind created from the blades. It works great, the motor is much cooler and no longer hot to the touch.
Anyone else do this on their HB?

EDIT: Thanks to Dusty

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09-01-2010 09:28 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Dusty1000

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I've never done it to mine, but it sounds like a good idea and I'm sure it'll increase the lifespan of the motor. BTW 'engines' are what you get in nitro etc helis, electric helis have 'motors'

Sounds like you're having fun

Dusty

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09-02-2010 03:12 AM  8 years agoPost 29
gixxer

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Just received this bird and didn't have the time to take it outside before dark. I was a flying in the house and there is tail wag. This heli feels extremely sloppy and unresponsive. Don't know why but the hummingbird feels more balanced and precision. Is it because of the weight or long paddles? Will try some FFF and see how it handles. Hope the gyro doesn't do something crazy. If it doesn't fly well, I can always rebuilt my HBV4 with honey bee parts since I think it'll swap.

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09-02-2010 08:33 AM  8 years agoPost 30
Dusty1000

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Is it because of the weight or long paddles?
Flybar paddles without weights will make a big difference. The old HBFP came with removable weights. Some folk with the V2 have fitted a V1 flybar and V1 paddles with good results. Perhaps your hummingbird flybar and paddles would make the same difference.

Re the tail wagging, try reducing the gain pot on the 4 in 1.

Dusty

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09-10-2010 02:09 AM  8 years agoPost 31
gixxer

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I've concluded this thing flies terrible and not fun. It flies great hovering in circles but under FFF the thing turns so slow and flies like a pig. It is very fast but the response is ultra slow. Maybe it's too heavy for a fixed pitch? I must try the V1 paddle setup and hope that'll fix the problem. Overall I'm a little disappointed comparing this to the FP V4 hummingbird which in my opinion is a very balanced heli. So far for some reason these esky heli's center of gravity is off or the dynamics or something. My old century fp is running hs55 but I don't think those servos would make that much of difference on these fp heli's?

Ps this V2 Is insane strong, crash and no damage! But I've flown my friends esky V1 and I feel that with a quarter tapped flies much better.

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09-10-2010 02:28 AM  8 years agoPost 32
racin06

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I can't believe I missed this thread . gixxer, yes, learning to first fly an FP heli before jumping into CP helis is a good route. Toolman18 and I both cut our teeth on the HBFP prior to moving to CP helis. Sure, many jump straight into CP helis...there are many routes to learning to fly helis. We all are different.

Regarding the slow response...yes the HBFP certainly doesn't have the stick response of a CP heli; however, if you are first learning, a sluggish heli is better than a highly responsive heli. As my skills progressed with the HBFP, I did some things like moving the flybar weights in towards the center of the head to liven things up a bit.

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09-10-2010 02:53 AM  8 years agoPost 33
gixxer

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Rtf cp heli's are not for beginners since they are hard to fly. Good cp heli are good starters but the stress of not crashing it slows the learning process and takes the fun away. Not to mention the $1000 invested and expensive parts cost.

These fp heli cost under $100 and the crash repair range from 0-$5 dollars. They fly so different and I recommend these type of heli to my friend to learn the orientation and perception of flying with a real tail. Once mastered the fp you will save$$ on the cp to minimize crashes unless your learning 3d.

I don't know why everyone starts with a 450 since now I feel it's cheaper to learn going this route?

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09-10-2010 07:30 AM  8 years agoPost 34
Dusty1000

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As well as using the V1 flybar set up, check that the upper swash linkages are on the outer balls. 2 of the balls are further out from centre than the other 2.

The HBFP was tail heavy as well. Best thing you can do is position the lipo as far forward as you can get it.
I don't know why everyone starts with a 450 since now I feel it's cheaper to learn going this route?
It's not only cheaper, but allows you to get on with learning to fly, without much of the hassle. Then you can take your time choosing and building your first kit, learning how to set it up etc, since you'll have the HBFP to fly while you do.

Why so many choose to start out with CP helis I can only guess. Lots of folk choosing their first motorcycle will buy a top of the range sports model, even though they won't be able to take advantage of what it can do. It's something to have - seems like a better toy than a smaller bike. Maybe the same goes for helis

Dusty

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09-11-2010 01:00 AM  8 years agoPost 35
gixxer

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I pushed the weights in and it flies 75% better. Not as good as the century fp bird but much better and flyable. Actually you have to unscrew the paddles first before pushing in.

Unfortunately I freaked out when a car drove by and I cut the throttle and broke my swash. This is the first part broken but I should have bought spare parts instead on my red canopy because I don't like green since that blends in with the grass. With the slow rotor speed I feel it needs to be lighter to fly better.

Overall ok heli but the weights take a slow reacting heli into ultra unflyabe slow unless you plan to hover around instead of flying. Now the paddles has a large hole perhaps some v1 paddles will help the look and tighter paddle fit or I may use part off my old worn out hummingbird fp.

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09-11-2010 03:04 AM  8 years agoPost 36
racin06

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I thought I would post this video for you guys starting out with an FP heli. This is my first flight ever with a CP heli...the HBK2. Prior to this flight, I had been flying the HBFP for about 12 months. Yes, I took my time and I believe I could have made the transition to CP helis much sooner. Yes, the flight did end in a crash; however, this was simply because I lost orientation due to the overcast skies and snow-covered ground.

Watch at YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjRzPLEsy7k

Anyway, as you can see, I had no problem getting accustomed to the behavior of the CP heli on the very first flight.

It's been a while since I viewed this video and I'm LMAO about the large heli pad I assembled .

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09-12-2010 04:22 PM  8 years agoPost 37
DougsRC

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I remember that "whoops-se-daisy" well Jim. Those were the days when more than three people in the whole world flew the King 2

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09-12-2010 09:57 PM  8 years agoPost 38
toolman18

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Yeah. I remeber that video also. It was inspiring at the time and still is.

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09-16-2010 08:15 AM  8 years agoPost 39
Proseph

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So im nearly ready for forward flight.
Currently im flying the HBFP v2 with the EZ superblades (easy hover blades)
I heard they suck for forward flight so would it be smarter to switch back to the stock blades while learning FF?

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09-16-2010 11:38 AM  8 years agoPost 40
racin06

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Yes, just stick to the stock blades until you learn to hover in all orientations and can fly circuits and figure 8s in both directions.

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