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08-11-2010 12:47 AM  7 years agoPost 21
Dennis (RIP)

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So stealing is wrong, but extortion is ok? (187% increase in the price of gas, health care up 78%, college, housing, etc, etc during the reign of George the 2nd) Before ol' Georgy took office, I considered my self middle middle class. Paid my bills, put money into savings, had dough left over for this silly RC addiction. Now? Not so much...
Well then.

According to you, Bush is an extortioner and its all his fault. He extorted your heli budget.

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08-11-2010 01:45 AM  7 years agoPost 22
ErichF

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US Government Spending as Percentage of GDP

Last I heard, Canada's federal spending vs GPD was only 28%

We are now at 43.85%!!! That's up from 36.94% in 2008 and 32.56% in 2000. Yeah, GWB fought two wars and gave away plenty of our money to all forms of charity countries...but spending only went up 4.5% in his 8 years, while BHO increased spending 4% more in 18 months! More to come...

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08-11-2010 02:31 AM  7 years agoPost 23
baby uh1

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How did GB spend all of that money when congress has the checkbook? Now the same irresponsible congress has an even more irresponsible president to waste money with!
Bush tried to stop the banking crimes but the banker's democrats wouldn't let him.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-11-2010 03:53 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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How did GB spend all of that money when congress has the checkbook?
+1

Yes, congress sets the budget. The president, the "Executive Branch" simply executes whatever legislation congress passes.

It still strikes me how many people do not know how the government works. Which is why they get away with so much.

We are not in a monarchy, believe it or not. The president has limited powers but only those who bother to read the constitution realize this.

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08-11-2010 03:59 PM  7 years agoPost 25
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Yes, congress sets the budget. The president, the "Executive Branch" simply executes whatever legislation congress passes.
No he don't. The president merely signs the legislation and it goes back to the legislative branch to make it law. The president either signs the legislation or vetoes it. If he vetoes it, it goes back for more debate and another vote. Usually, it dies in debate after a presidential veto. But, sometimes, the presidents veto is overridden by vote and made into law without the presidents signature.
It still strikes me how many people do not know how the government works. Which is why they get away with so much.
Yup

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08-11-2010 05:34 PM  7 years agoPost 26
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No he don't. The president merely signs the legislation and it goes back to the legislative branch to make it law.
Sure he does.
Section 3.
He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States.
I think we're saying the same thing. My real point is that the President doesn't write law. There is no provision for any law to be written by him, as was intended all along. He can recommend things and that is all. And choose to veto things until he "gets his way," but since this veto can be overridden anyway, the executive power is not absolute.

By the way, checks and balances is the reason the line item veto does not, and should not exist...it would give the Executive branch the power to write law through selective deletion. There is a reason the constitution is written as it is. Don't mess with it!!!

Oh and as for focusing on the President when things go poorly...
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Long quote, but my point is, whenever you are unhappy with any of the above, it is not the President doing this to you. It is Congress.

The only part the President has in this is in his executive veto power, which can be overridden anyway.

So anything relating to the list above, after 2006, when the democrats started controlling congress, has less to do with Bush, and more to do with the left wing congress we've been under.

Knowing that...does that change anything? Because it seems to me things got much worse with the above list 2006 and beyond.

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08-11-2010 06:09 PM  7 years agoPost 27
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So anything relating to the list above, after 2006, when the democrats started controlling congress, has less to do with Bush, and more to do with the left wing congress we've been under.
Aaron, bravo- well said indeed. Aside from Supreme Court appts, the power is in Congress. That said, we get EXACTLY the Congress we vote for (unless, of course, we believe in the black choppers and tinfoil hats).

HL Mencken said it best: "Democracy is a type of political framework by which the people decide what system they live under- and they deserve to get it good and hard." [paraphrase]

I'd say that's exactly what we're getting, and are about to get a lot more of.

In spades.

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08-11-2010 08:19 PM  7 years agoPost 28
Ghia

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line item veto maybe we dont need but term limits for Congress hell yeh we do!

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08-11-2010 08:50 PM  7 years agoPost 29
Dennis (RIP)

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line item veto maybe we dont need but term limits for Congress hell yeh we do!
Term limits in the Congress or Senate will never happen. They would have to vote themselves term limits. These are rich and powerful positions in government.

Why do you suppose them and their supporters will risk millions on a campaign?

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08-11-2010 08:52 PM  7 years agoPost 30
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Term limits = voting their asses out.

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08-11-2010 09:32 PM  7 years agoPost 31
Dennis (RIP)

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Term limits = voting their asses out.
Correct. Its the only way open to us. As long as the left keeps acting like they are now, then it will happen. But, we are going to suffer more pain. Lots more pain in our wallets for little return and lots of shame. Lots.

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08-11-2010 10:38 PM  7 years agoPost 32
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who are the "good guys" we need to vote for?

a list would be great. gotta be able to weed out the scumbags.

aren't they all scumbags? for the most part. after all, they are americans.

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08-11-2010 10:49 PM  7 years agoPost 33
Dennis (RIP)

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who are the "good guys" we need to vote for?
You know nuttz. After all that has been said here for months on end, including yourself, there is no amount of talking that is going to help you with your choice of who you vote for. None at all. Just stay home and sit on your fanny.

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08-11-2010 11:04 PM  7 years agoPost 34
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why would you want to stay at home? try to practice what you preach.

once you vote all will get better.

we got ron paul, but won't be able to vote on him in novemeber.

give us the list.

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08-11-2010 11:11 PM  7 years agoPost 35
baby uh1

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The more people get incited and start paying attention to the government the better the chances are that we will start getting better representation.
Just stay with it!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-11-2010 11:17 PM  7 years agoPost 36
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yep, been working so far.

no choice but to vote for the 'other' set of scumbags.

that should do it. can't wait. all will be good.

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08-12-2010 12:29 AM  7 years agoPost 37
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Fellas, I GOT IT!!!!! The SOLUTION!!!!!

Here's the Plan Barry should do: ALL debts, both public and private, are forgiven; and everybody gets a million bucks cash.

BRILLIANT!!!!! Man, I'm soooooo smart!!

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08-12-2010 01:51 AM  7 years agoPost 38
Dennis (RIP)

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we got ron paul, but won't be able to vote on him in novemeber.
Get over Ron Paul. He's great. But, he's out of the game.
give us the list.
Get your own list. You are not helpless. Just your participation here for months and months on end alone should help you to decide. You said recently you research posts that are placed here for validity. Make up your mind instead of telling everyone how stupid they are. Pick a side. Stand up and move on. Many others are well ahead of you.

Instead of a dead beat Dad, your are acting like a dead beat voter. Get with it. Time is running out.

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08-12-2010 01:57 AM  7 years agoPost 39
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Here's the Plan Barry should do: ALL debts, both public and private, are forgiven; and everybody gets a million bucks cash.
Yep, That ought to get him enough of the stupid people's votes to get him elected again.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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08-12-2010 02:00 AM  7 years agoPost 40
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you're funny dude.

can't be a deadbeat voter. can't vote til november.

gotta figure out which scumbag to vote for.

kinda like trying to figure out which turd to pull out of the toilet.

what you have to realize is that there are over 200 million voters and most of them aren't that sharp. meaning the majority.

now, being that you and i can find the right person to vote for, which you can't, the majority will win by picking the most popular scumbag.

not the most qualified scumbag. if there were such a thing.

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