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08-09-2010 06:16 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Ok. I've got Jive V9.0. I am using a Scorpion 4035-500 motor. I tested it out by attaching one 6s battery to it. It went "beep-beep-beep". I was then able to get it to spin up normally with some throttle. So then I put the rest of the heli together, but when I plugged in the 12S battery, I got a bigger spark, but then the motor goes "click" and then I get two flashes. It won't spin up. However, I can go back to the 6s pack, and it starts up again no problem. What am I doing wrong? I know the Jive can handle 12S. Why won't it arm with the 12S? Any ideas? These packs are not fully charged. They are only about 3.8V per cell. Do I need to charge the packs first?

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08-09-2010 06:48 AM  8 years agoPost 2
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I'm going to charge the packs all the way up and see if that helps.

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08-09-2010 07:51 AM  8 years agoPost 3
r.lim

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Which Jive it is, the LV or HV?
If it is the LV then it can't handle 12 S.

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08-09-2010 04:10 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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It is a 120HV. I actually finally got it to initialize on 12S with fully charged packs after trying several times to connect and reconnect. Strange. I'm not sure what the problem is.

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08-09-2010 04:17 PM  8 years agoPost 5
deanguy

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My CC110 HV is the same on my Caliber.. If both 6S packs aren't fully charged it won't arm.. Maybe it's a failsafe or something to keep you from ruining the packs.. I don't know..

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08-09-2010 05:59 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Maybe it is failsafe? Well, it seemed to work fine at least one time with a fully charged pack. I had to connect the ESC several times before it would arm.

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08-09-2010 06:33 PM  8 years agoPost 7
OICU812

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If you had programmed mode 9 then yes that would be case, plus on first spool ups or even tests its recommended as part of the escs voltage evaluation that you have what voltage you will be running, in your case ie: 12S at full charge yes. Keep us informed.

Personally if its new packs I would only be doing mode 1 to default, then mode 4 for heli governor and then only mode 7 "IF" rotation needs to be changed, otherwise thats it. I don't do the mode 9 and such, just utilize your timer etc...

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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08-09-2010 11:22 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Is it possible I damaged the ESC by first plugging in the 6S pack?

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08-09-2010 11:28 PM  8 years agoPost 9
OICU812

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No but you should re program and then from that point 12s first hook up charged. Mode 1 and 4. Let us know if it cintinuusly hooks up after. I think it might just be fine.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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08-10-2010 01:37 AM  8 years agoPost 10
P.J.

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Justin

If the fault happens again turn the motor a few clicks by hand and try it again, I've the same problem with one of my Jive's and this works everytime.

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08-10-2010 11:54 AM  8 years agoPost 11
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Thanks for your help. I reprogrammed the ESC for 12S packs. I put it in Mode 1 followed by Mode 4. I am still have a lot of trouble getting it to arm reliably.

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08-10-2010 02:27 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Joe90

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2 flashes on LED
Mean that the motor has too low impedance
check that your motor connectors are well soldered
Scorpion 4035 should be ok but maybe your unit is deffective, check with another motor.

Hope this help

Michel

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08-13-2010 03:33 AM  8 years agoPost 13
helicraze

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Reset it and program again, only run it on the cell count you plan too and don't spool up without blades on the bench (unless you want to reset again)

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08-13-2010 10:48 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I was at the flight line today and had to plug in the motor 7 or 8 times before it would arm. Each time it would just go "click" and not arm. So I would disconnect and then reconnect. Finally it armed. Annoying.

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08-13-2010 02:33 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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Typical.... I had this issue with mine using the Neu motors too. Super annoying. Kontronik needs to be a little more lax with their dummy features because from what many people have found out...after the esc does initalize it works with no problems anyways. One time I got so mad at my heli I was literally on the verge of tearing the esc out ant throwing it in the water. I just packed up and left, and swapped out the Neu for an Xera(no issues with that motor).

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08-14-2010 04:10 AM  8 years agoPost 16
helicraze

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He did say its a scorpion 4035 motor, it should work fine, resolder the scorpion connectors and clean them with electrical cleaner prior to plugging in

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08-15-2010 06:34 AM  8 years agoPost 17
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Resoldering the connectors is not going to change anything. I already placed my own bullets on the motor and they are soldered perfectly, so that is not the problem. I actually think it is just a Scorpion thing because at IRCHA there was another guy flying with me who was having the same problem on the same helicopter/motor/ESC, but another guy who had the same heli/ESC but a Xera motor never had a problem with the Jive arming.

Both of us running the Scorpion motor would sit at the flight line plugging in the motor over and over until it would finally initialize. The guy with the Xera would plug it in once without any problems. We were all running V9.0 Jive 120's.

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08-15-2010 07:06 PM  8 years agoPost 18
P.J.

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Justin

did you try turning the motor by hand after the first failed connection?

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08-15-2010 10:37 PM  8 years agoPost 19
helicraze

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A lot of use run scorpion motors problem free, unless its a new compatability with the V9 software, email kontronik.

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08-16-2010 01:42 PM  8 years agoPost 20
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I talked to Kontronik and Georges (from Scorpion) at IRCHA about this problem. Kontroniks thinks it might be the e-Aurora frame layout where the ESC wires loop down and then back up next to the Jive box creating some magnetic interference. I'm not sure how to fix this other than to cut the ESC leads short. Maybe I could wrap each bundle in some conductive metal as a shield? Georges said that I should mark the can on the motor and then rotate it to that same position every time to see if it will arm.

Yes, I have tried rotating the motor can to an arbitrary position (just spinning it a few times), but it is still about 1 time in 7 that it will arm. Very frustrating when you are at the flight line with a bunch of other people and you can't get the heli started. I plug it in, the motor clicks indicating an error in arming. I spin the can, plug it in, and the motor fails to arm again. I then repeat this 5 to 10 times until it finally arms. The other guy with the Jive V9/e-Aurora/TP lipo/Scorpion 4035-500 was having the exact same problem at IRCHA, but the guy running the Jive on the e-Aurora with the Xera motor (and the same wire layout) was having no problems.

Then again, the guy with the Xera had to have his Jive replaced last month because he was getting 7 and 8 flashes on his previous unit.

Is it possible Kontronik had a batch of defective Jive units?

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