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05-03-2010 01:48 AM  8 years agoPost 1
sc204

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At the field on Saturday a friend drove up and said he had a question
Knowing I sell some stuff on Ebay he brought out a couple of long lost projects from a shop cleanup. The fuse is partially built but the mechanics are untouched. This thing is cool. The motor an HB 60, came premounted to the drive system. The motor still turns over easily, the starting belt may have a permanent kink in it though. The head has very little travel. No aerobatics for this bird. He believes this is 1970 or a little earlier vintage. Anyone know for sure? I guess this is what you bought over 30 years ago if you wanted to fly helis. No gyro as well.

Stuart

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05-03-2010 02:01 AM  8 years agoPost 2
fran

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I think this is later than 1970...the earliest I recall didn't have the kevlar
fuse and also have metal rotor blades that came in the kit. I would guess mid to late 70's...closer to 1979. I could be wrong; but the engine aand the fuse are the give away...belt starter went on into the mid eighties.

FRAN SR. ( FAI-F3C)

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05-03-2010 02:13 AM  8 years agoPost 3
ChrisMoore

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Is that fuse Kevlar fran? I think its just fiberglass. Kevlar was developed in the 60's and then first used in race car tires. I dont think it was available let alone available at a price that would be appropriate for RC Helicopters.

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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05-03-2010 03:42 AM  8 years agoPost 4
sc204

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It is not kevlar, the box lists it as fiberglasss. The rotor blades are wood. feel like basswood up front and balsa in the back. No weights. 3 bolts hold the blades in place they do not fold.

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05-03-2010 04:33 AM  8 years agoPost 5
maxturbine

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I had this kit in 1977 when Tower Hobbies sold them. The fuselage is epoxy and will change to this color when ages or exposed to UV. I was 18 when I bought it for a whopping $375.00. I worked in a store after school and that was a lot of cash. Servo set up is very interesting.

I can tell you everything about it if you want to PM me. Great find.

Ralph

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05-03-2010 04:38 AM  8 years agoPost 6
fran

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My bad...I ment fiberglass
The blades in the late 79 through around 82 were wood with a hardwoo LE and soft balsa on trailing edge...they usually had a stick on covering and also came with weight and the instructions told you to mix baking soda in with 30 minute epoxey to hold the weight in...some actually had a balsa insert to cover that opening...the swash plate is too advanced for it to have been an early 70's type...more than likely 78-79-80 and up.

FRAN SR. ( FAI-F3C)

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05-03-2010 04:44 AM  8 years agoPost 7
fran

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Just got a good look at the head and wash out...early bell hiller mixing
Agai very late 70's and up through the mid to early 80's

It would be worth a considerable amount of money considering its' prestine condition...for Flea bay...put and add in AMA magizine if you're look to sell it. The kit probably sold for around 4
$400-$600 or even higher back then and would be wortth close to double maybe tripple that amount to the right collect. Don't let someone beat you out of it. You can contact Graupner and they can tell you the when and the price of it.

Hope this helps

FRAN SR. ( FAI-F3C)

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05-03-2010 04:50 AM  8 years agoPost 8
sc204

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I was just going by what the owner thought the date was when he bought it. He is 30+ years older as well so his memory may not be perfect. Better not tell him about this thread

Some of it is very cool. The tail rotor could be used on todays helis. The head has very limited pitch movement, in fact the included pitch guage, a solid piece of plastic has markings for 1 degrees and 5 degrees. The fact that they included the motor back then is interesting. Fran there is no slot for a weight on the main blades on these.

Stuart

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05-03-2010 05:06 AM  8 years agoPost 9
fran

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Yes...it being a German (my peeps); they are really into scale...3D did not exsist back then
Mid eighties the real deal was inverted flying and when Dwight Schelling did his first tumble...heads had advance to handle the stress

Tell your friend he has a real find in his hands...is he looking to sell it? If so How much...might be interested.

FRAN SR. ( FAI-F3C)

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05-03-2010 10:28 AM  8 years agoPost 10
alfred

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That model is in mint condition.
It would be worth a penny or two.

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05-03-2010 12:50 PM  8 years agoPost 11
sc204

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Yes he gave it to me to sell on Ebay for him, but I am willing to take offers here if someone is interested.

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05-03-2010 01:28 PM  8 years agoPost 12
fran

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In all seriousness...DO NOT LOOK AT THIS AS ANOTHER 60 size heli
It would be worth at least as much as twice what its' counter part would be today. If you go to "Flea" bay....besure an set your reserve appropriately. Just MHO.

FRAN SR. ( FAI-F3C)

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05-03-2010 10:40 PM  8 years agoPost 13
sc204

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At the reccomendation of several forum members I have listed the kit in the scale classified section.
Thanks,
Stuart

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05-04-2010 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 14
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http://www.koralpe.biz/bell212.htm
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05-04-2010 05:59 AM  8 years agoPost 15
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There are some silly comments here...
I have two, bought for 400 each, in the last three months.
There are two others for sale, at 350 and 450 each, NIB.
One with cosmetic corrosion.

m

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05-12-2010 01:34 AM  8 years agoPost 16
sc204

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05-12-2010 03:10 AM  8 years agoPost 17
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the swash plate is too advanced for it to have been an early 70's type
Actually the 212 came out in 73 according to the vintage heli time line(somewhere in a thread). I Have a copy of schluter's radio controlled helicopter manual and there is a picture on page 239, The 212 was debuted at the Nurnberg toy fair in February 1973.

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05-12-2010 03:41 AM  8 years agoPost 18
sc204

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Thank you, I will ahve to look for the time line.

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05-12-2010 07:11 AM  8 years agoPost 19
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Check out the VRHC website for graupner 212 info and 1973 is the correct year.

JWR

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05-12-2010 07:17 AM  8 years agoPost 20
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My first helli was the kaven Jet Ranger , with what i thought even to this day was a very scale looking body , no gyro , but flew very well after some major modifications. The 212 was next , and was a far better mechanics , flew much better , but was always a pain in the a$$ to start as oil would always foul the belt , causing slipping. Today , I wouldn't spend a single dollar , or a minute of my time on either of them , to me it's like going to work in a horse and cart or my Jeep!!!
Dave.

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