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05-03-2010 05:37 AM  8 years agoPost 21
Eury

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To be fair, I was speaking about FBL in general, not the 3g. I've never had a 3g.

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05-03-2010 02:16 PM  8 years agoPost 22
woop

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im talking about endpoints expo d/r all kind of programming stuff, not just putting screws in... if u actually take some time to program your radio it will work fine... my tail didn't hold that great at first, i put in d/r and turned down the endpoints and it held great, but a screw placement isn't going to change that... and theres a lot more people happy with a 3g than unhappy with it
first of all dr and expo are things you change to suit your style and there is no set values, and secondly endpoints should be set to a 100, and for your info the 2 screws are the only fbl system control the main rotor gain, the funny thing is the more you increase the cyclic swash mixes to get the desired cyclic speed the lower yor fbl gain screws should be otherwise Heli will bobb on hard stops,well for me the gain screws were all the way down to min and there was still bobbing, so I was not gonna change my flight style to suit the 3g it should be the other way arround like the awesome VBAr.

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05-03-2010 02:38 PM  8 years agoPost 23
michael88997

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D/r and expo arnt just for flying styles, it's to slow it down, so if u put expo in the ch that is bobbing it slows it down at center stick and u won't have bobbing... But if u want the 3g to fail then I guess u won't take the time to mess with the settings anyway

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05-03-2010 03:03 PM  8 years agoPost 24
woop

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The bobbing happens even just on a pitch pump and hard stop without you touching cyclics so I don't see how dr would help lol. And indeed it failed.

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05-03-2010 03:14 PM  8 years agoPost 25
michael88997

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Because if ur moving the left stick up and down pitch pumping your right stick is in the middle correct? So if it's in the middle and u put d/r that affects mid stick.... It would help make the gyro less sensative... But then again that takes changing 2 numbers in the radio which is entirely too much setup... U know if u take a vbar or 720 or any system or gyro and slap it on without any programming I would bet they would all fail

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05-03-2010 03:25 PM  8 years agoPost 26
woop

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.. But if u want the 3g to fail then I guess u won't take the time to mess with the settings anyway
I love how you assume people can't setup helis properly, who said unit was slapped on, and you keep mentioning expo not everyone uses expo I use about 5% anyways but doesn't effect the fbl system.here's some pics of me flying the 3g, it was ok but I wasn't satisfied, and I bet you can't do this if you can't setup properly.

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05-03-2010 03:32 PM  8 years agoPost 27
woop

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Because if ur moving the left stick up and down pitch pumping your right stick is in the middle correct? So if it's in the middle and u put d/r that affects mid stick.... It would help make the gyro less sensative... But then again that takes changing 2 numbers in the radio which is entirely too much setup... U know if u take a vbar or 720 or any system or gyro and slap it on without any programming I would bet they would all fail
listen Your not making sense how can let's say dr on ail affect anything if your not giving any ail input? You make me laugh and I feel like I'm wasting my time replying to this nonsense

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05-03-2010 03:38 PM  8 years agoPost 28
Rogman88

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Based on what I've read. Woop isn't a beginner. Woop has acutally flown the 3G. Woop likes flybar more than 3G. That's good enough for me. I'm going 720 or Vbar next month.

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05-03-2010 03:55 PM  8 years agoPost 29
michael88997

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D/r affects mid stick not just inputs so it still has affect when ur pitch pumping... I had a 3g on a 450 and 600 and doing that got rid of the wobble, if u don't like the 3g that's fine but if ur not going to set it up or take time to don't bash it... When my 720 comes in and if I have tail wag am I just going to post on here saying it sucks or take time to adjust settigs

And Rog I'm not a beginner and I've flown 2 3g's

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05-03-2010 04:44 PM  8 years agoPost 30
woop

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Man it's called freedom of speech that's what rr is all about, Im just posting an opinion and you keep saying if I don't take the time to setup, well I sure took the time, align 3g was intended to be a quick setup and it took about 1 day of test flights for it to get it close to my standards, on the other hand people say that vbar takes so much time to setup and my vbar was at 100% in 2 short flights, and if 3g is so amazing to you then why u buying a 720, practice what you preach, and why would 3g need the update if it were amAzing? I think align rushed their product and used us as free test pilots, here in Canada the summer is very short and we have no time to test unless of course we're getting paid to do so, but in this case we're paying to be test pilots lol, I signed out already.

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05-03-2010 04:50 PM  8 years agoPost 31
michael88997

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i agree with u i think they did rush it and because its aligns first fbl unit it should b assumed it would need some firmware updates to be able to fly just as good as others and its not there yet but in time it will get better.. i never said u didn't set up your heli im just trying to say if you would try different settings it would change the way it flies cause thats what i did... i got a 720 because i like the features, its the same reason why i didn't buy a vbar or gyrobot 720 or microbeast, the main reason is the self bail out... and ur exactly right you get something when it first comes out your a free test pilot but that is assumed when you buy in...

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05-03-2010 04:54 PM  8 years agoPost 32
woop

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Rogman88
Based on what I've read. Woop isn't a beginner. Woop has acutally flown the 3G. Woop likes flybar more than 3G. That's good enough for me. I'm going 720 or Vbar next month.
Thanks man and good luck with your purchase.

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05-03-2010 05:24 PM  8 years agoPost 33
woop

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Well thanks for understanding, i have no doubt that align will get things sorted out, and I'm going to keep my 3g and try again after updates are available. And I never slap electronics on and try them without proper electronic and mechanical setup,I was just thinking about what you said about dr and I have a question for you, would changing the dr for cyclics effect the 3g cyclic correction even with no cyclic inputs?

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05-03-2010 05:29 PM  8 years agoPost 34
michael88997

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from what i understand and my experience with setting them up what happens is when you put d/r in the tx it "dumbs" down the center stick making it less sensitive, now i have no idea how it works but im guessing what happens is when you do a hard stop the 3g is still trying to correct it but instead the d/r slows down the center stick somehow through the 3g... like i said i have no idea how this works i just know on both 3g's ive had i had the same bobbing and lowered the gain without much luck and added in d/r and it worked

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05-03-2010 06:34 PM  8 years agoPost 35
baddynergy

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from what i understand and my experience with setting them up what happens is when you put d/r in the tx it "dumbs" down the center stick making it less sensitive
Your understanding of D/R is wrong. D/R reduces the overall throw on a given flight surface.
EXPO is what makes the stick less sensitive around center and gives the servo a more linear travel.

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05-03-2010 06:44 PM  8 years agoPost 36
michael88997

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ya but d/r in reducing the throw causes the center to be less sensitive... like i said i dont know how it worked but i put in d/r and the bobbing was gone

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05-04-2010 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 37
twinpeak

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Prague, Czech Republic

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it is obvious that the people at RC Heli can set it up
Well how honest is a rewiew on a product from a main advertiserer....
David

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05-05-2010 10:25 AM  8 years agoPost 38
Vinger

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Cape Town, South Africa

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Well, I am a newbie to FBL sytems, but have always done a thorough and proper mechanical setup ie match servo arms to get proper throw, no slop, good wiring and mounting of equipment. Bought a 3G for one of my TRex 500 and did the conversion as per my best practices. Correct servo arm lenght, correct center points with min subtrim, mount the electronics and do wiring neatly etc etc.

Programmed DX7 with recommended settings and proceeded to 3G setup. Guess what no need to adjust anything got 12 deg of po and neg pitch, 10 deg on cyclic and set gyro endpoints on 3G, flew straight of the workbench.

Changes after testing was limited to increasing ATV for rudder to get quicker pyrorate, decreasing ELEV and AIL gain to 9 O'clock and there she is flying perfectly, no bobbing and tracks like an arrow with insane flip and rollrates and all this with no interactions or drifting.

So yes a good setup starts with the installation and continues through to an understanding the system etc etc

Remember Mikado also struggled for longer than a year to get a system that works, given the time Align has had the 3G on the market it is remarkeable how well it flies and how easy it is to get it to work. Kudos to Align as my 3G TRex 500 outperforms her FB sister by a mile.

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05-05-2010 11:07 AM  8 years agoPost 39
Ronald Thomas

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Remember Mikado also struggled for longer than a year to get a system that works,
Not true at all. The first VBARs worked and worked well but you needed a degree in astrophysics to get it programmed correctly.

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05-05-2010 02:15 PM  8 years agoPost 40
duke666

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flew straight off the workbench
I hate it when that happens, can never duck quick enough IMO

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