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05-01-2010 02:33 AM  8 years agoPost 1
flustercluck

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Ok I finally had my 1st two-tank shakedown flts today. She's steady & stable. However, I like (and am used to) lightning-fast cyclics; and at least compared w/ my 600N, she felt heavy on the sticks during snap flips, tictocs, rolls, etc. Climbouts (regular & inverted) seemed fine.

In fact my beloved Vibe 50 felt lighter in the air. ...?? The Frenzy seemed to take more collective mgt going thru the manuvers to avoid altitude loss.

So my question is: those of you who like a lot of snap & pop in your heli's, what did you to get her "light on her feet"?

I have a basic setup: 120 Vibe metal swash, 9452's on 6V, Hyper 50/ MP5-50SB, stock flybar (395mm??), KBDD paddles w/ the flybar in the fwd hole (toward the leading edge), 11/11 on pitch, 8 deg of ELE & AIL pitch, HS probably around 2050 or so. Zero expo in ST2.

Can't really up the cyclic pitch so the only things I can think of is 440 flybar, maybe move the flybar to the middle hole of the paddles? That's suposed to increase quickness. Also, I see some have used the Gogbee "On Edge" dampers.

Any ideas, gang? Thanks.

Jeff

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05-01-2010 03:21 AM  8 years agoPost 2
luz_husband

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i added some light paddles and went to an align 440 flybar. it made it faster, but you may still find it's not as fast as you want. It will improve it though.

Impacting the earth one heli at a time

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05-01-2010 04:47 AM  8 years agoPost 3
flustercluck

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Thx luz.. gonna try that

So there's limits to how fast she can be? I don't have a scale, but is she heavy compared to, say, a 600N (what I'm used to)

Also, I noticed that when I tried a few auto's she seemes a little heavier in the flare.. but again, I only have two tanks on her.

I tend to toss my heli's around pretty good and wonder if this model is designed for (or can be made) to do that.

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05-01-2010 04:57 AM  8 years agoPost 4
luz_husband

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you will notice a difference with light paddles and the 440mm flybar, mine was much more sensitive after i changed it. They can roll and flip very fast so I have a feeling it's just your setup.
a lot of people commented on it being sluggish at first and after they changed the flybar setup it was much better. I also put faster servos on mine to get some faster rates.

I don't fly hard 3D so I am not the best person to be giving advice on setting it up for it. Just watch a few of the frenzy 50 videos and you will see how well they can fly in the right hands.

Impacting the earth one heli at a time

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05-02-2010 03:49 AM  8 years agoPost 5
RedOctober

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Snap
The frenzy can be a bit of slug due its weight. But I just switched over from Align D blades to RadixSB. Big improvement. Radix don't fart as much but are much faster. Also, try moving the KBDD paddles one hole back on the flybar. I heard its supposed to make it snappier. Or you can go with really light weight carbon paddles

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05-02-2010 05:50 PM  8 years agoPost 6
flustercluck

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Thx Red. I'm running regular Radix.

What I plan to do:
440 Flybar
KBDD paddles, move to center hole (I also have a pr of Align CF paddles to compare with the KBDD)

See if that livens her up a bit.

That is if I can ever fly!! I swear, we've had the most ghastly and dreadful weather here in Ga for about 8 mos now

Gotta get a truggy so I can r/c!!

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05-02-2010 06:26 PM  8 years agoPost 7
WrenFlyer

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Livened this one up with On Edge dampers, 440 mm Fly Bar, Gohbee paddles (Align CF paddles work well).

Watch at YouTube

Mr. Haney

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05-02-2010 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 8
rollin_3z

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Nice flying...Btw there is another hole for the ball link on flybar seesaw, its suppose to make cyclics faster?

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05-03-2010 02:33 AM  8 years agoPost 9
flustercluck

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Ditto.. Wren, nice flying

I'd heard about the "On Edge" dampers but I'd already spent $35 for the Vibe swash so I was going to try & liven things up before another $25 for dampers

Good stuff, bro

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05-03-2010 02:34 AM  8 years agoPost 10
flustercluck

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There's only two holes on either side of the seesaw that I know of, and everybody's on the outboard hole (that I'm aware of)

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05-03-2010 02:59 AM  8 years agoPost 11
rollin_3z

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yeah and....?

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05-03-2010 03:10 AM  8 years agoPost 12
WrenFlyer

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The On Edge dampers make a huge difference! The heli in the video was a prototype flown by my son, it has held up to some abuse!

Mr. Haney

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05-03-2010 04:41 AM  8 years agoPost 13
flustercluck

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yeah and....?
Yeah and.. I surmise the outboard hole is for faster cyclics???

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05-03-2010 04:55 AM  8 years agoPost 14
rollin_3z

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I must have misunderstood when I watched this video
http://allthingsthatfly.blogspot.co...-v2-frenzy.html.. scroll to the bottom for vid and go to 8:38 minute mark. He must be a veteran too...lol

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05-03-2010 04:59 AM  8 years agoPost 15
rollin_3z

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05-11-2010 05:27 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Upside_dan

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A light set of blades will make the most difference. Curtis Youngblood Stick Bangers will really increase the roll and flip rates. With some light paddles it will become super quick but it will also start to get a little pitchy in fast forward flight. The next step is to go flybarless. Then you'll have the best of everything. Super stable hovering and forward flight like it's "on rails". Of course you can dial up the roll and flip rates as quick as you could ever want! Be warned however... you'll never go back to using a flybar!

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05-12-2010 02:28 AM  8 years agoPost 17
kc8qpu

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Im running the stock paddles with 440mm flybar, pro 3d carbon blades (they weigh 122 grams a piece) and I can't believe how fast it is. A buddy that flies a trex 700 fbl flew it and said it was almost as fast as his 700. I likey.

Carpe Diem!!!

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