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04-28-2010 09:17 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Dennis (RIP)

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Amnesty as Contentious as Healthcare Bill, Says Rep. Poe

by Elisabeth Meinecke 04/28/2010

Rep. Ted Poe (R.-Tex.) told HUMAN EVENTS that the immigration issue could be a "defining moment" for the Obama Administration and be even more contentious than the President's healthcare bill.

“Down the road, when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform, if the administration pushes any type of amnesty bill, that will be as contentious – if not more contentious -- than the healthcare bill,” Poe said in an interview.

Poe joined with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) to cosponsor a bipartisan letter from members of the House asking that President Obama send more National Guard troops to the border.

The letter doesn’t request a specific number of troops, but Poe told HUMAN EVENTS that they want to see “as many as needed” to help the situation along the border, which the letter describes as one of increasing violence.

“The letter doesn’t address the specific number – it addresses the issue that the Border Patrol needs help, requests help, and the answer is to give them the National Guard to be allowed to patrol the border,” Poe said. He also confirmed that T.J. Bonner, president of the labor union National Border Patrol Council, is supporting the letter, which will be released on Wednesday.

On Tuesday, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate panel that the situation on the border, though not perfect, has improved. The number of border apprehensions between points of entry dropped to 556,000 in fiscal 2009 from 723,840 in fiscal 2008.

“In all of the sectors of the border, you can show that it is better now than it was two years ago, three years ago, five years ago,” Napolitano said at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

“If people think that the border is better than it was three years ago, they’re living in Never-Never Land,” Poe said in response to Napolitano’s assertion. “I’ve been there. Everybody says it’s worse, except people in Washington, D.C., and some people from the chambers of commerce. And I think it’s worse, in many respects.”

Sen. Jeff Sessions (R.-Ala.), the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Napolitano hasn’t shown the kind of commitment needed in dealing with the problem of lawlessness that has so concerned Arizonans and their elected officials that the state just passed strong legislation on illegal-immigration enforcement.

Poe said Texas sheriffs have told him the violence in Northern Mexico is so bad that Mexican nationals are crossing the border to stay with relatives in Texas because it’s too dangerous to live in their own areas.

Poe said the border can be protected with laws already on the books and blames this administration and previous administrations for the worsening border situation.

“We protect the border of foreign countries, Third World countries better than we do our own,” Poe said.

Poe said the letter was crafted apart from any effort on the Senate side, where Arizona GOP Senators John McCain and Jon Kyl have called for the deployment of 3,000 National Guards troops to the border.

The letter does acknowledge requests made at the state level and by Congress: “We urge you to deploy the National Guard to the U.S.-Mexico border, as has been requested by a number of border state governors and members of Congress.”

Poe said the letter came in response to Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s written request to the President for 1,000 National Guard support along the border back in 2009, a request he had previously made to the Department of Homeland Security but never received a response.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=36732

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04-29-2010 12:28 AM  8 years agoPost 2
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Gov. Napolitano will continue requests for National Guard on border
You read that title right. When Janet Napolitano was governor of Arizona, she was trying to get National Guard troops for Arizona's border to help curb the influx of illegal aliens.
Gov. Janet Napolitano said she will continue to request that the federal government to put National Guard troops back on the U.S.- Mexican border to help curb illegal immigration.
http://findarticles.com/p/news-arti...l/ai_n51710949/

Wow, the shoe is on the other foot now that she is part of Obama's leftist movement to crush the USA.

90% of life is "showing up"

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04-29-2010 07:30 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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Actually she was forced into a corner in regards to the National Guard. She told the Republican legislature that there was no money to send them and they appropiated funds to specifically send them. She than had no choice. For some reason everyone thinks it was her idea, when it was the legislature's idea.
She consistantly has resisted any laws dealing with illegal immigrants ehen governor of AZ. The only reason that AZ has an employer sanctions law for hiring illegals is because it went to the ballot and she had no choice in the matter.

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04-29-2010 08:07 PM  8 years agoPost 4
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fwiw...

Napolitano consistently shows why she is not qualified for ANY office...One of the dimmer bulbs in a very dim administration....

BC

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04-29-2010 09:40 PM  8 years agoPost 5
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OK, if history proves true, Ill be sorry for this but what the hey

I dont like the idea of rewarding illegal behavior. I dont like the idea of amnesty for those who entered the country without going thru the process.

BUT

Any real immigration reform will HAVE to include a reasonable route for many of the PEOPLE here illegally, to if not become a citizen then be here within the law. Its purely a practical matter. It is IMPOSSIBLE to round up and deport the many many millions of people who are here illegally AND its not in our country's best interest to do so. I dont know about you but I cant afford a $15 sack of carrots.
Its totally impractical to think that you could find all of them, prove a case against them and deport them. We are talking about MILLIONS of bodies, all HAVE to get due process (unless we just suspend the constitution) and aside from that many MILLIONS of them have proven to be very good members of our society for DECKADES. Paying SS taxes they have no hope of reaping the rewards for, buying products and driving the economy, not to mention doing the jobs most of us would not do unless we had no other way to feed our families. To depot them all would cost many many billions and result, if using government success rates as a guide, in a piss poor job of it.

Its a hopeless and impossible dream to think deportation of the lot is any type of real cure to the problem. I say secure the boarder as close to 100% as possible, create a PRATICAL route to citizen ship for the ones identified as (hate to put it this way but) worth it for us. Then (or now) concentrate on the dirt bags among them. Before you say it, no Im not a bleeding hart liberal. Been a republican my whole life. Wasting all this time and effort on a DREAM that has ZERO chance of success is nothing but a waist of time and resources.
Flame suit on as Im sure it will be needed but thats how I see it anyway

RIP ROMAN

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04-29-2010 10:01 PM  8 years agoPost 6
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I dont know about you but I cant afford a $15 sack of carrots.
Seems like the same argument was made about Cotton many years ago....But when you no longer had SLAVE labor to do the work, along came the cotton gin...

If the price of your produce is the ONLY reason to continue keeping Illegal immigrants in this country while NOT giving them the benefits of citizenship, (social security, a living wage, health insurance, whatever) then are they no better than the slaves of long ago?

ILLEGAL immigration needs to stop. Period. CLOSE the border except at acceptable and normal border crossing areas. That has to happen FIRST.

THEN decide what to do with those already here, deport them, fine them, whatever. But STOP treating them as slave labor.

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04-29-2010 10:08 PM  8 years agoPost 7
Dennis (RIP)

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THEN decide what to do with those already here, deport them, fine them, whatever. But STOP treating them as slave labor.
How can you say they are "Slave Labor" when they come here to work voluntarily?

Its not as though we FORCE them to illegally cross the border.
Seems like the same argument was made about Cotton many years ago....But when you no longer had SLAVE labor to do the work, along came the cotton gin...
Thats not true. The cotton gin came about as an invention to increase production. Not as a result of slave labor disappearing.

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04-29-2010 10:13 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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It is IMPOSSIBLE to round up and deport the many many millions of people who are here illegally AND its not in our country's best interest to do so.
Agreed. We can't boat out all these people in one swoop. That is impractical.

Its going to be a tough one to solve. But, we had better start at our borders and get some 20 or 30 foot fences up. The Israelis are good to go to for info on that.
I dont know about you but I cant afford a $15 sack of carrots.
Better that than paying for increasing education costs, increasing law enforcement costs, increasing health care costs, etc,etc,etc. Its getting out of hand because of a lack of leadership. Period.

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04-29-2010 10:14 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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Nothing to dis agree about there, I agree and used that example because it was easy. There are many other examples. I would say that they generally are treated as slave labor now, I dont think thats a good thing. Ill say this, all tolled Id bet they are a net PLUS to our country and economy. Folks that is to say taking in to account every factor, not just a narrow sample. These are Millions of folks earning and spending here, great numbers paying taxes and contributing overall.

My real point is deporting all of them and creating NO way to become, to EARN citizenship is not possible no matter how they got here or how we got into this position. No matter where you go, there you are. We are here and need to find REAL WORKABLE Constitutional solutions and saying, "screw it, deport em ALL" is total BS and hurts US, you and me. Its a waist of valuable resouces, time, and people power.

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04-29-2010 10:17 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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The best way, the most time proven method way to change humane behavior is to make the behavior you WANT more worthwhile than the behavior you dont want-Read make it more worthwhile to do it by the book than by the foot.

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04-29-2010 11:15 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Ill say this, all tolled Id bet they are a net PLUS to our country and economy.
And, how can that be when they are costing us much more than they are paying in taxes. Think about it. Some are paying taxes, of course. The lions share are not. But, they are using our infrastructure. Schools, prisons, institutions, social security benefits, etc, etc, etc. Who do you suppose pays those costs?
My real point is deporting all of them and creating NO way to become, to EARN citizenship is not possible no matter how they got here or how we got into this position. No matter where you go, there you are. We are here and need to find REAL WORKABLE Constitutional solutions and saying, "screw it, deport em ALL" is total BS and hurts US, you and me. Its a waist of valuable resouces, time, and people power.
Yes, because of a serious lack of leadership and a dimwitted voting public, we have a very serious problem on our hands with no easy out at all. I don't have any easy solutions. Only very difficult ones.
The best way, the most time proven method way to change humane behavior is to make the behavior you WANT more worthwhile than the behavior you dont want-Read make it more worthwhile to do it by the book than by the foot.
OK well. Show us the book. Which one is it?

However, this discussion came about because of the mess in AZ. Frankly, I don't care what anyone says. AZ has a right to protect themselves when the Feds refuse. Period.

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04-29-2010 11:50 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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And lets see the "very difficult" solutions you have for us? I mean since thats what you say you do.........

Sorry I dont have a book to reference. I have been a factory supervisor for 20 years and without passing judgment on folks, Have had a need to change behavior that was unacceptable. Unacceptable not only to the companies I have worked for but also unacceptable for me and in the long run, the people I supervised. If someone has a poor work ethic, for example, its in no ones best interest to keep that work ethic. Perhaps I should have preference my comment, my apologies. Have my efforts always been successful? No as we all know not everyone is open to change or willing to do the work involved for meaningful change. Some just cant be dealt with.

As far as the NET effect of all these people, as I said it was my bet (read guess) that if it were possible to make that accounting, the net to our economy would be in the black. Truth is that accounting is impossible, so please dont act like the facts are otherwise. They do live here, pay rent, buy cars and insurance, food, clothes, beers, cigs, diapers, toothpaste. They do not use ANY Social security resources. They do, however, pay into that system w/o any hope of reaping the intended benefits (im not suggesting illegals are "due" benefits). Im not so sure that the "lions share" do not pay taxes. Not sure is what I said, since the Facts are not accessible. But if they hold a job with a pay check, however small, taxes are taken. They pay sales tax every time they spend a buck. There landlords pay property tax (read they pay property tax). Lastly, I am not in favor of letting people who are not worthy stay here or find a path to citizenship. Nor am I willing to spend time and money on some program centered around deporting everyone who is here w/o the proper documentation. Id like to see some time and money spent on working out Real, Practical and constitutional solutions to deal with this problem. Yes securing the boarders is job 1. And Yes I agree that our leadership is abysmal. Thats for another day.
A question, what better way is there to reduce the cost of "them" than getting them into the "system" in a legal way? As it is now they are prohibited from true and real participation in our society? I am more than willing to accept a higher cost of living in order to solve this issue, but keep it real right?
I guess my real issue is leadership, as directed by the latest polls, that spends valuable resources and time arguing over an unworkable solution, that everyone knows is unworkable, all just to win points on the next days poll numbers. Like those who say "No New Taxes" AND they want to solve our insane over spending and spiralling deficit. If you have a brain in your head, an open mind, and a real desire to solve our economic problems then you know raising taxes is not an option, its a requirement. (as only a component of many needed to solve that issue). Again I guess thats for another day.
Im gonna go hug a tree pass out some needles and welfare applications now, so you all have a nice day

RIP ROMAN

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04-30-2010 01:40 AM  8 years agoPost 13
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Simple way to solve most, if not darn close to all, illegal immigration. Fine the hell out of any business knowingly employing illegals. When the risk of getting caught and the cost of getting caught is so high it threatens their very existence, business will hire legal workers.

When there aren't any jobs, illegals won't coming looking. Same thing with welfare, prove that you're eligible for it by proving your citizenship. Medical treatment remains the same. If you can drag yourself into an ER you will be treated regardless of status. This won't be a problem for long, except possibly along the border, because once there is no reason for them to live here there won't be many of them seeking treatment in the ER. As the numbers of illegals goes down they can be replaced as needed with legal immigrants. There's a long line of them already and a large number of them have already been waiting for years.

There you go, the problem solves itself. No round ups or profiling for everyone to get their panties in a bunch over. No extra duty for the cops/border patrol/NG. No stupid fence. No need for "carrying your papers". No jurisdictional pissing contest between the states and the feds. No wasted tax money on endless litigation. And to top it off the Dems get to feel good because they can feel that they're beating up on the evil corporate machine. It's a win-win all around.

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04-30-2010 01:43 AM  8 years agoPost 14
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They do live here, pay rent, buy cars and insurance, food, clothes, beers, cigs, diapers, toothpaste. They do not use ANY Social security resources.
Oh really. Is that a fact. Tell me what happens when you call the Social Security Office in your home town, or use the 800 number shown on their web site?

Since I am myself drawing my Social Security benefits now in my retirement, I will tell you what they say when you call them. Here it is:

"For Service In English, press #1". Then, In Spanish, they say "For Service In Spanish press #2"

Now, if they DOT NOT use any Social Security sources, why is that message on their phone service? Go ahead, give the SS office a call to see and hear for yourself. Here is the number:

866 563 3450

There are a few other 800 numbers. Thats my local SS office.

The first several times I had questions about my SS benefits, I went down to our local office to get answers rather than using their 800 number or the their web site. Guess who was waiting in the waiting room? A few old folks like myself. A lot of what appeared to be young and single mothers with children and quite a few Hispanics. Geez, I wonder what they were doing there.
But if they hold a job with a pay check, however small, taxes are taken. They pay sales tax every time they spend a buck.
Of course, same as the rest of us. Some may even be LEGAL. But, the illegals are the ones we are talking about. If they are illegal and drawing a paycheck, then who's ID are they using? Whose Social Security # are they using? Are you getting my drift?
Id like to see some time and money spent on working out Real, Practical and constitutional solutions to deal with this problem. Yes securing the boarders is job 1. And Yes I agree that our leadership is abysmal. Thats for another day.
Well, guess what? The Federal Immigration service already has laws on the books that take care of that problem? The stae of AZ has asked the Feds to enforce those laws. They refused. So, AZ created the same law as a state law to go out and enforce it.
Im gonna go hug a tree pass out some needles and welfare applications now, so you all have a nice day
Now, I wonder why you are even bothering to be in this debate.

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04-30-2010 03:20 AM  8 years agoPost 15
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Didn't we already have a amnesty?
We don't have to round anyone up ,just enforce the law and problem will be solved .
Punish the employers,have stings at the day laybor sites, fix the problem.

A double layer fence would't hurt either.

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04-30-2010 04:55 AM  8 years agoPost 16
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fwiw..

Ah, Yes...It was the summer of '86, as I recall..Ronnie the popular declared amnesty, guaranteeing this would be the last time, and illegal immigration would be stopped once and for all....Me..I'll gladly pay 15$ a bunch for carrots to see the laws enforced...See...I don't like laws...If I have to follow them, so does EVERYONE else.
Self deportation WIll work..Make it painful enough to employ the illegal, and back to Juarez he/she goes...Yes, it does suck to be them, but why won't they work up the resolve to fix their own country?
I heard a sympathizer tonight threatening to turn the pickaxes and shovels they use on us...Go ahead...Make my day.

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04-30-2010 12:30 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Oh lighten up Dennis, I was actually filling out my applications for off shore and North slope drilling.
Speaking English is not a requirement for being a US citizen.
Looks like you are painting a very wide swath of people with the same brush there. Some would call that by another name.
So in the waiting room you ask for some ID? Or just assume......the worst? They speak Spanish so they must be Illegal? Please.......
Yes we have laws that are not enforced, I think they should be. So wheres or dis agreement there?

So just for the record let me ask you this Dennis, So everyone here in the States w/o proper documentation (illegals) should all be deported. is that your position?

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04-30-2010 01:16 PM  8 years agoPost 18
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Speaking English is not a requirement for being a US citizen.
Here are the requirements.
Requirements

What does it say under the language heading?
Applicants must be able to read, write, speak, and understand English words in ordinary use.

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04-30-2010 01:24 PM  8 years agoPost 19
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I stand corrected, thank you.

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04-30-2010 03:41 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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So just for the record let me ask you this Dennis, So everyone here in the States w/o proper documentation (illegals) should all be deported. is that your position?
Yo FBoss. Go Here:

https://rc.runryder.com/t585231p1/

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