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04-27-2010 09:40 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Dennis (RIP)

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Feds Have Failed on Immigration

April 27, 2010 - by Rich Lowry

In the case of the new Arizona immigration law, the reductio ad Hitlerum occurred instantly.

Cardinal Roger Mahony wrote in a blog post, "I can't imagine Arizonans now reverting to German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques." The president of the Hispanic Federation said the law "reminded me of Nazi Germany." Cooler heads merely compared it to apartheid or 1960s-era civil-rights abuses.

And here I thought the tea partiers were befouling America's political discourse with their overheated words. They don't hold a candle to His Eminence or the assorted other hysterics decrying the rise of totalitarianism in the American Southwest.

Arizona's offense is to attempt to enforce the nation's immigration laws, in the absence of any serious commitment to do so on the part of the federal government or our political class.

The Arizona law makes it a state crime for aliens not to have immigration documents on their person. This sounds draconian, except it's been a federal crime for more than half a century - U.S.C. 1304(e). Has the open-borders crowd forgotten that it calls illegal aliens "undocumented" for a reason?

Police officers asking for papers may be redolent of old World War II movies. But consider the offending provision: "For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state . . . where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person."

Hitler would be crestfallen. This hardly reeks of extremism. It means the vast majority of requests for documentation will occur in the course of other police business, like traffic stops.

The police already have the power to stop illegal aliens, a power the Arizona courts have upheld; they already can ask about someone's legal status (the U.S. Supreme Court noted in 2005 that it has "held repeatedly that mere police questioning does not constitute a seizure" under the Fourth Amendment); and they already can detain illegal aliens. The Arizona law strengthens these existing authorities.

Will they be abused? Upon signing the law, Arizona governor Jan Brewer issued an executive order for a training program on how to implement it without racial profiling. No matter what her intentions, of course, it's unavoidable that Latino citizens will be questioned disproportionally under the law; nationwide, 80 percent of illegal aliens are Latino, and the proportion in Arizona must be higher.

Once millions of illegal aliens are in the country, there's no neat way to get them back out. It's much better to endeavor to stop them at the southern border, something Washington still refuses to do. During the last eruption of the national immigration debate, Congress passed a law mandating a fence along the border. The Bush administration bid it down to a high-tech "virtual fence." And the Obama administration has ceased constructing even that. If the federal government had been in charge of building the Great Wall, it wouldn't have been great or a wall.

It used to be that San Diego and El Paso accounted for most illegal entries. As the border became more secure at those points, Arizona became the hub. The state has an estimated 460,000 illegal aliens out of a population of 6.6 million. They impose countless millions of dollars in schooling, health-care, and incarceration costs, more than $1 billion a year in one estimate. Phoenix has become a kind of lawless Ellis Island, with smugglers holding migrants in "stash houses" there until they can be moved out into the rest of the country.

Arizonians needn't, and shouldn't, tolerate this. Critics accuse the state of unconstitutionally devising its own immigration policy. If it had unilaterally declared its border open to the poor, violence-plagued country to its south, this charge might have had force. Instead, Arizona seeks only to enforce the nominal immigration policy of the United States. Perhaps the federal government should try it sometime.

Rich Lowry is the editor of National Review.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/pr...ion_105325.html

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04-27-2010 10:29 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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the whole "this country is made up of immigrants" is pure crap. Times change, population explodes and our laws need to change accordingly. Stop immigration (unless you have a rare and useful skill to lend) and stop the tax eaters from breeding like rabbits....I applaud Arizona and wish we'd crack down here in Fla.

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04-27-2010 10:33 PM  8 years agoPost 3
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The whole world are 'immigrants" The term immigrants we are working with is the "legal" and "illegal" immigrants. They try to distract from that issue though by bringing up the past to try and dull it down to meet their agenda.

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04-28-2010 12:54 AM  8 years agoPost 4
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This is even more absurd.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lan...mmigration.html

San Francisco is contemplating boycotting everything from Arizona. Freakin tree huggers

**Unattended children will be givin a shot of espresso and a puppy**

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04-28-2010 01:41 AM  8 years agoPost 5
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this country is indeed largely made up of immigrants, legal ones.

there are 12-20 million who are illegal and didn't wait their turns. They don't deserver a second chance at the good life.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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04-28-2010 05:48 AM  8 years agoPost 6
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fwiw..

The fact that so many of our leading intellectuals have come out so strongly against this law indicates just how right it is...Now the heat will be on CA and Texas, who will pass similar legislation in self defense...

Jan Brewer for president!!!

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04-28-2010 03:34 PM  8 years agoPost 7
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San Francisco is contemplating boycotting everything from Arizona. Freakin tree huggers
Then we ought to send ALL illegals to San Francisco. ALL of them.

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04-28-2010 05:20 PM  8 years agoPost 8
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The fact that so many of our leading intellectuals have come out so strongly against this law indicates just how right it is...
Once again it comes out that they are educated but not intelligent.

Remember the last failed amnesty plan ?
Kind of like the symptom of insanity , doing something over and over hoping for a different result.

How about follow the laws we have ? Of course a better fence wouldn't hurt either

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04-28-2010 05:29 PM  8 years agoPost 9
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Critics accuse the state of unconstitutionally devising its own immigration policy.
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I did want to point out how hillarious these 'critics' are. It's unconstitutional towards people who are not citizens of this country whom the constitution does not apply, lol. Hypocrites.

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04-28-2010 05:38 PM  8 years agoPost 10
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Funny how that Israeli fence works! They know how to build one.

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04-28-2010 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Funny how that Israeli fence works! They know how to build one.
Thats correct. All they have to do is get serious about it. So far, all they have done is spend millions upon millions to appear as though they are serious about it. Of course, they just makes the problem worse. At the same time, the world views us a fools.

That my friends is a leadership problem. Pure and simple. It has nothing to do with illegals, Hispanics, Mexico, unfairness, lack of anything, breaking the law or anything else.

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04-28-2010 06:38 PM  8 years agoPost 12
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I think we should have "open season" on them, just 1 day. And I think we should be able to use dogs to flush them out of thier house.

Here in Orlando Fl. the other day an Illegal was running from the cops and killed two beautiful women on Colonial Drive.

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04-28-2010 06:49 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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If we really cracked down and went 100% after the illegal immigrants here, I bet you hundreds of thousands of them would leave on their own. I mean its not even sane anymore to keep just denying their existence here and its even more delusional to think that just cause they made it here, that they just automatically become citizens, thats just plain crazy.

It's a disgrace to a friend of mine who came from Mexico, legally, and worked his rear end off to learn English and go through the system to get a legal US citizenship. Took him a long and hard road but he did it, and its a slap in the face to make him go through all that and then just let someone else who snuck in here illegally and given all the benefits on a silver plater.

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04-28-2010 07:07 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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All those who have come here legally need to be protesting against the illegals. They should be leading the charge against giving amnesty and should be demanding the illegals leave and do it the right way!

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04-28-2010 07:09 PM  8 years agoPost 15
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All those who have come here legally need to be protesting against the illegals. They should be leading the charge against giving amnesty and should be demanding the illegals leave and do it the right way!
Chances are, all they want to do is raise their families, go to work and mind their own business. They have already come down the hard road.

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04-28-2010 07:16 PM  8 years agoPost 16
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Unfortunately, minding their business becomes everyone else's business sooner or later. It's like in a burning building, if there is fire all around them, do they think they wont burn if they just ignore it and mind their own business. Closed eyes doesn't make the bad people go away

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04-28-2010 08:14 PM  8 years agoPost 17
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Here is something to consider.

Imagine this.
Lets just say that most or all of illegal immigrants were republican or leaned to the right on political ideology. Just think that for the sake of discussion.

Now, imagine how fast the left would build a high speed railroad to ship ALL illegals right back to Mexico. The loony lefties would be nailing railroad spikes themselves to get that done without delay.

Just think of it.

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04-29-2010 01:22 AM  8 years agoPost 18
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Dennis[quote] Chances are, all they want to do is raise their families, go to work and mind their own business. They have already come down the hard road[quote]
Look at it this way. If you were out of work and facing foreclosure would you want one of the jobs they do to get by?

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04-29-2010 01:31 AM  8 years agoPost 19
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Look at it this way. If you were out of work and facing foreclosure would you want one of the jobs they do to get by?
Why would I wish to take a job from an immigrant that became a US citizen legally?

If they were illegal, thats a whole new ball game.

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04-29-2010 04:15 PM  8 years agoPost 20
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Now, imagine how fast the left would build a high speed railroad to ship ALL illegals right back to Mexico. The loony lefties would be nailing railroad spikes themselves to get that done without delay.
and the looney right would be dragging it's feet in order to keep them here and stay in power...

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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