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04-28-2010 02:17 AM  8 years agoPost 41
Ghia

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I say the pilot should take ALL the blame! the girl said the heli buzzed her many times and he shouldnt be flying there to boot!

I hope there is a lawsuit in these guys future.

I agree with WAve that these helis have gotten cheaper with abysmal quality by some makes (Align, walkera and others).

Remember when Align blades were slinging weights and there wasnt one peep out of Align about the issue as they just let it ride. They care alright, I bet all their customers are sweating right now

Alot of folks (not all) who buy cheap china junk .500 asses their assembly and maintenance and in this case it went terribly wrong. How many times have you bought a used heli on RR and looking at the guys post history shows "Pristine heli" "Immaculate"....If you have been around any length of time you buy it and say..WTF was that guy thinkin?? Its like a recurring bad dream.

So are we as a RC community protecting these geniuses with the AMA damage control and the generosity of others?? Who are they? Have they publically apologized for Farking it up for the rest who use common sense? ? How much have they put into the pot?

Accountability in this day and age would be nice!
Talking as a military member and RC enthusiast also, I hope the father takes a scorched earth campaign against those who negligently maimed his lil girl!

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04-28-2010 02:59 AM  8 years agoPost 42
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04-28-2010 03:05 AM  8 years agoPost 43
snjbird

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LMAO

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04-28-2010 03:12 AM  8 years agoPost 44
Rogman88

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I've worked in orthopedic surgery, neurosurgery and now Occupational medicine (injured workers) for the past decade and have sewn up a lot of lacerations and seen a lot of broken bones, and helped my supervising surgeons set many. I also have flown 450 and 600 sized helis and can tell you that that broken bone in her hand and the extent of that laceration was not due to a 450 sized heli who's motor stopped high above her and then floated into her head and then into her hand (unless of coarse she put her hand up to stop the heli from ripping her ear off). The force required to shatter her 2nd metacarpal according to that x ray was too much for an autoing 450 sized heli. Maybe a 500 sized if the motor was truely off a little above her head. I still think that the pilot lost control of a functional heli (at least with running motor) and struck that girl with a high head speed. Just my professional medical opinion. But hey, what do I know Im just a physician's assistant

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04-28-2010 03:34 AM  8 years agoPost 45
philip 01

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i went thru emt school 25 years ago and i'd buy that lock, stock, and barrel. my thoughts exactly.

that looks like more than a 450 to me as well.

there is some major lying going on here.

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04-28-2010 10:34 AM  8 years agoPost 46
Mike0251

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Well at least the police did prove that Align electronics were the root cause of the accident. Civil action against Align would be proper and expected in this situation. They have skated along with sub par quality on there electronics since day one.
The root cause of the problem was a model being flown in an area that was deemed a no fly zone by local law. Has absolutley nothing to do with electronics, type of heli, skill, the color of the sky, who was there, etc. A no fly zone means the bird should have never been in the air there period. Pilot is fully responsible, ignoring a local ordinance against flying in that park. Would have never happened if ordinance was obeyed.

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04-28-2010 11:51 AM  8 years agoPost 47
A&J

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I got to tell ‘ya, I have never had a ESC fail and the motor continue to run. Also if the ESC loses the signal from the receiver, it shuts down the motor. At least all of the ESC’s I have seen work that way…

Lets do the time warp againnn !

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04-28-2010 12:54 PM  8 years agoPost 48
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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Unless you have personally seen a lot of 450's hitting tissue, either human or animal, I don't think you can really say how much force the blades will cause in an accident like this. There are a lot of variables (head speed, motor voltage, blade composition, etc.) that are at work here. Yes, it takes a lot of force to shatter a 4th metacarpal, but there is no real way to prove/disprove if a 450 can supply this amount force unless you do some tests. But...

How about the fact that the guy in the video was walking away with a smashed canopy on his Trex 600? I think the AMA's official statement was damage control. They want to protect their insurance policy.

I think we can all agree, however, that unless those guys were running old-school laminated wood blades on their "450" that there is absolutely no way a heli, be it a 450 or 600, autoing down would smash that woman's hand hard enough to break a bone.

She was obviously hit by a heli flying with full speed rotors.

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04-28-2010 02:20 PM  8 years agoPost 49
Jgatorman

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Justin,

Please take the time to read all of the posts in the threads that I've provided a link for.....

I agree with you 100 %....... but all that needed to be said has been said......... to continue with post after post will only continue to add ammunition to the lawsuits that are sure to follow..... make no mistake, they will.....

The most sensible thing to do at this point is to just let it drop..... nothing that is added will alter the outcome. Those that are irresponsible will continue to be irresponsible and the rest of us will continue to be...... well, you know.....

I'm being guilty of continuing with this thread so I'll let this one be my last post on the topic....
I think the safety of innocent people having the ability to visit public parks safely and not having to worry about someone wrecklessly flying a rc helicopter into them is more valuable then any information that could be gained by an attorney for litigation purposes. Once again I am positive your opinion would be different if this was your daughter.

Please let us try to educate and continue to educate our community so we can limit the ammount of injuries especially to people who are not even involved ie general public.

We can not control the direction of this thread but just because it takes a turn in a different direction does not mean we can not right the coarse and bring it back to discussing propper safety. As previously stated this girl is fortunate to still be alive and to anyone who believes this was a simple accident I will continue to disagree, to many bad decissions were made and this is the end result. I remember an old saying that goes; when you make you bed you have to lay in it and the person that commited this wrecklees act now has to do as such and he will receive no sympathy from me.

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04-28-2010 02:28 PM  8 years agoPost 50
ShuRugal

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Please let us try to educate and continue to educate our community so we can limit the ammount of injuries especially to people who are not even involved ie general public.
this is not a suggestion which a web-forum thread is capable fulfilling.

Godwin's Law and all that ya know. makes serious discussions hard.

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04-28-2010 02:55 PM  8 years agoPost 51
Jgatorman

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this is not a suggestion which a web-forum thread is capable fulfilling.

Godwin's Law and all that ya know. makes serious discussions hard.
This is your opinion and you are entitled to it however I will addamently disagree. I can provide way to many examples to dispute your opinion but I think the exhistance of runryder itself is more than enough.

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04-28-2010 03:10 PM  8 years agoPost 52
ShuRugal

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ten (or was it twenty?) pages of back-and-forth name-calling is what the other thread turned into. If that don't show the true nature of the beast to ya, donno what might.

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04-28-2010 03:13 PM  8 years agoPost 53
Rookie400

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I have been reading this topic (and the other) without posting much. I'm not interested in witch hunts, it serves no purpose other than creating an illusion we are much better than the rest but:

I do find it very unfortunate no charges are filed against the pilots. Reason is: I firmly believe every pilot is fully responsible, and in fact the only one responsible, from the moment their helicopters are armed till they are secured, for any mishap/accident that may occur. Blaming Align for faulty electronics is in my eyes just running away from that responsibility. Who is saying a pilot shouldn't HAVE to be fully aware of any weakness in the electronics/mechanics? If it is well known that Align is selling poor quality equipment, that does not excuse the pilot from taking every step to ensure the highest level of safety, it does in fact make it even worse, that the pilot willingly flies a machine he/she _knows_ may very well malfunction. Equipment, weather, psychological factors such as fatigue or a nagging boss, these are factors any pilot _must_ take into consideration every time he/she is thinking of taking the heli up. Ignorance does not make innocence.

So why exactly do I think it's very unfortunate no charges are filed? Because of the signal it sends out: The pilot is _not_ fully responsible. That is a most dangerous stance to take and that is what is most unfortunate here IMHO.

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04-28-2010 04:32 PM  8 years agoPost 54
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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By making the pilot in this incident not responsible for the accident, they are essentially giving all of us the green light to go to our local park and start buzzing our 600E over people's heads.

It's like the guy who goes to the bar, gets drunk, and drives himself home without an accident. Each time he does it, he get's more confident that what he is doing is OK. But it only takes a second for disaster to strike.

This woman could have died. Going to a park shouldn't be dangerous. The pilots were wrong in so many ways. I hope the rest of us can learn from this incident and become safety promoters in our own home towns. If we see people flying RC at a crowded park, we need to talk to them and say, "What you're doing is not safe, and more importantly, what you're doing is not cool".

There is a time and a place for RC helicopters. Flying at an AMA sanctioned field is obviously best. But it is also OK to fly at an abandoned field or empty parking lot. It is even OK to fly in the middle of a soccer field if the local laws allow, but only during the times of day when there is nobody else around. But if you go to the park at 2pm on a Saturday afternoon when people are playing frisbee and start doing piro-flips over their heads, you're not only an idiot but you are also acting extremely recklessly.

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04-28-2010 05:21 PM  8 years agoPost 55
daman691003

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innocent until proven guilty stop the witch hunt and conspiracy theorys people. i can not believe some of these posts are by adults...

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04-28-2010 08:00 PM  8 years agoPost 56
snjbird

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Here is a post by the mighty Bob White...
I know a few people in that area as well and I know a few that fly at that park! It's not like an "out of the way" place.... In fact as I know it it's a pretty popular place to park fly!
People "it's a pretty popular place to fly"

The reasons people have to be outraged by this event grow thinner with every new update we receive!

It is a popular place to fly
The pilots did stay
The pilots did call 911
The pilots did render life saving aid
The pilot was a card carrying member of our community "AMA"
And the investigation did revel "some kind" of failure
And the police are leveling "no charges"

The reasonable time for blind rage has passed. It sounds to me like some people wanted these men to be guilty!

I did not want these men to be innocent, and I did not want them to be guilty, I just wanted them to have the chance to be either! Some of you have not given them that chance, and still no matter how much Proof will be brought before you, you will stand by your God Given Right to hold them "Guilty" and unable to be "proven innocent"! And that, I'm sure, is what our forefathers had in mind as they penned the documents that protect those rights, from people like you!

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04-28-2010 08:19 PM  8 years agoPost 57
daman691003

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snjbird could not of said it better myslef... thanks
george

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04-28-2010 08:55 PM  8 years agoPost 58
philip 01

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any dumbass who flies a heli over people is guilty of being a dumbass.

doesn't get any simpler than that.

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