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04-27-2010 09:04 AM  8 years agoPost 41
twinpeak

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Of course I agree with you guys, not nececarily my own opinion, so just 4 your interest: I am not on drugs (txs. 4 getting personal), I was just mentioning what is being discussed on the largest German heli-forum, where FBL is discussed to a much broader and deeper extent than here on RR. I run 451´s on my TDR, Minicopter Joker 3 and Blitz Avro, all FBL BUT: I do not fly crack maneuvers close to the deck though, i.e. for me the 451 work perfect on 6V even in strong 90 birds.
@ zaaaguyx72: Of course running them on 8V makes them run significantly snapier than on 6V, which supports FBL setups.
David

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04-27-2010 09:24 AM  8 years agoPost 42
MrMel

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because of obvious reasons, the BeastX is designed for Align servos.
I'm pretty sure they will make updates towards BLS/JR servos in the future.

I view everything with FBL like this;

The hardware spec and the programming in a unit (how good/bad) dictates how big the window is, the bigger the better.

Now, every choice you make, hardware, blades, setup, head-speed, power everything affects the size of the window.

For sample a better quality components in conjunction with high quality control loop allows more change for you as a user.
If the initial window is smaller, you have less options but you might need to change your setup to fit.

Just look at the 3G, several users say it's running fine but also many has problems, I don't think anyone is lying, both is right, it's just that one is inside and one is outside the window, due to different reasons.

I for one isn't OK with changing my hardware setup to match the electronic solution, since I know the hardware setup is within spec for my application.

Price vs Performance on the BeastX is still outstanding, and beat's the ... out of some of the competition out there without taking a breath.
One just need to know the limitations and if you set the expectations after it, any future updates will just make it better.

I've let a friend borrow my BeastX now to test it on a Align heli with some other hardware.

Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more

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04-27-2010 09:26 AM  8 years agoPost 43
OICU812

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David I was being sarcastic and humoured not to take personal, but ok if that is what they are discussing then they are on crack then . But heh, we shall all wait, it's not Mr. Mels first FBL rodeo and there will be more of all this talk as more systems, updates, issues all come to surface. I'd say by December of this year we shall all know what really is all that and a bag of chips.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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04-27-2010 03:36 PM  8 years agoPost 44
keep-it-cool

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I dont know why they would even consider designing for Align FBL?!

Why not program the unit so it works with all kinds of different servos / head / heli's?! Even MrMels power house

The other thing that has killed this unit before it even hits the states is no dual sat support IMHO.

You have to remember to get this unit to the states cost almost the same price of the unit. So there for, alot of users will just pay the small extra to get a v-bar, total-g or sk720.

I like the idea of an all in one unit, really cuts down on wiring and on smaller helis, saves alot of space!!!

my .02

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04-27-2010 04:25 PM  8 years agoPost 45
Zaaaguy72

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Not to mention you have to purchase a receiver whereas with the Vbars, all you need is a satellite.

Team Sanjel!

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04-27-2010 04:40 PM  8 years agoPost 46
Asid

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Not to mention you have to purchase a receiver whereas with the Vbars, all you need is a satellite.
MicroBeastX has an optional lead coming out that allows the use of satellites

If it ain't broke then break it.

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04-27-2010 04:43 PM  8 years agoPost 47
Zaaaguy72

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Thats awesome! Didnt know that!

Team Sanjel!

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04-27-2010 05:00 PM  8 years agoPost 48
keep-it-cool

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MicroBeastX has an optional lead coming out that allows the use of satellites
Reread my post... You can ONLY use one sat, no good for anything bigger than a 450.

Another thing, how much is shipping going to be for a dongle to the US? This should have been built into the unit from the start with dual sat support!

I have also been reading (well trying to) some of these German forums and it does seem it’s the same people talking the unit up as we see here.(some are owners of the company)

Then they have the balls to talk bs about MrMel.. I’m no kiss ass, sometimes we have not seen eye to eye on stuff. One thing I do know, I wouldn’t 2nd guess him or his setups. Yes everyone can make mistakes but Mr.Mel is one that will double check his setups and everything on his own end before making claims!

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04-27-2010 05:28 PM  8 years agoPost 49
Turkana

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Montreal,Quebec , Canada

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So you have been Reading in the German Forums. Intersting do you speak German? And what's this going on about MrMel and questioning him? If you have a Problem with German Produkts just don't buy them very simple but then I guess you would have to go with a crappy Flb unit because most of them are from Germany. Stop moaning about shipping cost and the dual satellite crap. Get a all American unit like the total g with that you get all in one. But I guess some piro return compensation angular bs will not be to everyones liking so that unit will not be for you either.

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04-27-2010 06:04 PM  8 years agoPost 50
MrMel

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I dont mind being questioned, as long as it's a valid discussion.

I do spend a insane amount of time testing, just for fun (for sample 2 weeks ago I tested 50-60 setups just write a guide to tweak the tail on Vbar), well, crazy but that's the way I am.
Most of the time, 2 trips to the field/day, one for testing stuff, one for flying.

I'm from Gotland, (over the pond from Germany) our local dialect has same structure, and when I was younger I had a satellite receiver, only German dubbed channels, but No, I dont speak, only read and understand if you talk very slowly.

I've got some items from Freakware to work with to be able to Tweak the P/I controller of the tail, if there is a solution I will find it.

Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more

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04-27-2010 06:14 PM  8 years agoPost 51
keep-it-cool

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Dont need to be able to read german, it's called a translator.

I have no problem with german prodcuts that's for sure. If I did I would have not owned a v-bar I do have a problem with getting attacked for stating my opinion.

The unit already has design flaws for us here in the states. You say stop bitching about shipping and no dual sats support, I will not!

It's kind of funny that people want something that should have been released a year ago with it's feature set and almost pay as much for shipping as the unit. In my mind thats called a fleebay scame!

BTW: We have v-bar solid unit, we have the sk-720 same.. very solid!

Now you are trying to talk crap about a unit that hasnt even been release.

Maybe you should do your homework and take notes, instead of trying to talk up a so-called low cost solution

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04-27-2010 08:02 PM  8 years agoPost 52
twinpeak

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So you have been Reading in the German Forums. Intersting do you speak German? And what's this going on about MrMel and questioning him?
I´m not sure if this was pointed in my direction. In the case that yes: I am a German citizen with a PhD from a German University, so actually yes I think I´m competent to read and understand in detail what is being written on German forums. Nobody is questioning MrMel personaly nor his profounded experience and know-how, but just trying to nail down bugs and solve them. I beleive you will all agree that a couple of hundered German MB-users is a huge trust of know-how and experience which a single human cannot substitute.....

David
(on drugs?)

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04-27-2010 09:43 PM  8 years agoPost 53
alfred

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Australia, New South Wales, Mid North Coast

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The unit already has design flaws for us here in the states. You say stop bitching about shipping and no dual sats support, I will not!

It's kind of funny that people want something that should have been released a year ago with it's feature set and almost pay as much for shipping as the unit. In my mind thats called a fleebay scame!
What design flaws?? It's a first product of the company. All companies have had small bugs to fix on new products. I haven't seen anything which shows a "major' issue.

Shipping cost:
Yes at the moment it's too expensive and most overseas customers would be better off to wait until they sort out the shipping or have Importers in their respective countries.
Shipping cost should be fairly low as the VAT should be coming off for anything outside of Europe anyway.
And the once that just can't wait are willing to pay the extra anyway.

The one satellite point isn't an issue, simply because you are looking at a low cost unit for the mass market.
I want a Mercedes for the prize of a Kia hatch...just ain't going to happen.

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04-27-2010 10:19 PM  8 years agoPost 54
keep-it-cool

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What design flaws?? It's a first product of the company. All companies have had small bugs to fix on new products. I haven't seen anything which shows a "major' issue.
Design flaws: using a cheaper sensor than even the 3g. Not adding dual sat or even single sat support w/o a dongle. The sad part, these issues(not bugs) cannot be fixed by a software update. I nowhere said performance, since I don’t think my flying could even show signs of the issue that Mrmel has been talking about nor have I tried one! And yes, every new unit to the market is not perfect, I fully agree!

Once futaba releases their sbus(may / june), you’re going to be seeing a lot more people wanting in all-in-one solution and will be willing to pay the little extra for it.

You also have to remember the price will be going up, this price was just a introductory offer.

If the price does stays where it is(w/o the excessive shipping charge), and a US distributor picks it up, then it will be a low cost solution and many more people can look over the design flaws.(some say minor, some say big)

IMHO The only thing the MB has going for it over other units and units that will be released soon, is the price! If that goes away then why would you want one?

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04-27-2010 10:52 PM  8 years agoPost 55
HeliBenj

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Design flaws: using a cheaper sensor than even the 3g.
Sorry I must have missed something, how do we know it uses cheaper (or worse) sensors than the 3G?

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04-27-2010 10:53 PM  8 years agoPost 56
blade3d

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twinpeak,,,,, on the German forum do they think it's good unit ?

Blade3d

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04-27-2010 10:56 PM  8 years agoPost 57
keep-it-cool

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Sorry I must have missed something, how do we know it uses cheaper (or worse) sensors than the 3G?
I will just say a little birdy told me... if you have both you can compare

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04-28-2010 06:37 AM  8 years agoPost 58
Stolla

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Port elizabeth South Africa

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Hey keep it cool you should keep it cool and stop banging this product, get out of here if you dont like it, go buy your align with better sensor unit and steam it in!
What started as a positive post from mr mel's testing should stay that way and focus on figuring out solutions let's take the arguments elsewhere!

Common sense may not be common after all

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04-28-2010 07:09 AM  8 years agoPost 59
twinpeak

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twinpeak,,,,, on the German forum do they think it's good unit ?
To sum it up in short, the MB is being received quite positively, especially on 450/500 and 600 size birds. The bugs described by Mr. Mel on large/powerfull helis (as a streched Logo 600) are beeing cured by the usage of HV Servos.
The developers say, that when the dialing via PC becomes available, there will be options to adopt the MB to a wider variety of Servos.
In the end: the system is out for only 2 weeks now so for drawing up any final conclusions it is much too early.
David
btw: the talk of cheap sensors is outright BS. As to my info, the same high quality MEMS-sensors as in the SK 720 or the HC-3X are being used, which retail at nearly tripple the price here in Europe. As these sensors are being mass produced for the automotive industry, they are a just a small fraction of the total development/production costs per unit.

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04-28-2010 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 60
MrMel

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Back on topic please;
The bugs described by Mr. Mel on large/powerfull helis (as a streched Logo 600) are beeing cured by the usage of HV Servos.
It might be a "brute-force" method that works, but I have another theory which Freakware allowed me to test, which I will do next oncoming days.
(My logic says, yes, stronger servos can compensate for the irregularity on the tail, however, using P/I it should be possible to get a better tail to start with, allowing to run the original servos)

Gone fishing..or hunting..or something
My site: http://heli.dacsa.net - VBar videos and more

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