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04-12-2010 02:15 AM  8 years agoPost 1


Navarre, FL

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Tragically, we have lost a CV-22 Osprey and 2 of her crewmembers, Along with 1 Army individual and 1 civilian. Please Pray for their families, and the others involved. It's been a rough weekend.

An Air Force Special Operations Command CV-22 Osprey crashed late Thursday in Afghanistan, killing three service members and a civilian contractor, NATO officials said.

As of Friday, the names of the dead had not been released. The aircraft was assigned to the 1st Special Operations Wing at Hurlburt Field, Fla.

The CV-22 went down after dark about seven miles from Qalat, the capital of Zabul province in eastern Afghanistan, NATO said. The cause of the crash was under investigation.

The Osprey takes off and lands much like a helicopter, but its engines roll forward in flight, allowing it to fly at about 250 mph, faster than a helicopter.

The crash is the first fatal mishap involving a CV-22 since the special operations aircraft became operational in 2006, according to the Air Force. By the end of fiscal 2009, CV-22s had logged more than 8,060 flight hours.

The loss is also the first fatal crash of an Air Force plane in Afghanistan since the July 18 loss of an F-15E Strike Eagle.

The CV-22 is much like the Marine Corps version of the Osprey. However, the Air Force edition flies with a third cockpit crew member — a flight engineer — and has sophisticated navigation gear for night and low-level operations. A second flight engineer is stationed in the cargo area.

Overall, the plane can carry up to 32 troops or 10,000 pounds of supplies

04-13-2010 06:56 AM  8 years agoPost 2
GimbalFan (RIP)


Big Coppitt Key, FL

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Sad news indeed. Condolences and best wishes.


04-20-2010 12:43 PM  8 years agoPost 3


Garnet Valley, Pa.

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Flight Global story on CV-22 crash
Source: CV-22 crash not caused by mechanical failure
By Stephen Trimble

The BellBoeing CV-22 crash in Afghanistan on 8 April was not caused by a mechanical failure, according to a source familiar with preliminary findings of the US military investigation.
The fatal crash, which killed four and injured others, occurred after the pilot lost situational awareness while landing in a wadi around 1am under brown-out conditions, the source says.
The incident killed the pilot, a flight engineer, an army Ranger and an unidentified civilian.
Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC), which owns the CV-22 fleet, was not immediately available to comment.
US military officials have previously stated the cause of the CV-22 crash in Afghanistan was still under investigation. Military spokesmen, however, have ruled out enemy fire as a potential cause.
The 8 August crash is the first fatal accident involving a V-22 Osprey tiltrotor since December 2000, and is the fifth fatal crash in the programme's chequered history.
In 2000, two fatal crashes within eight months caused by a combination of design flaws and mechanical failures forced military leaders to put the programme on hold for two years while contractors re-designed systems and the airframe to improve safety.
After declaring the MV-22 fleet operational in 2007, the US Marine Corps has deployed its version of the Osprey in Iraq and Afghanistan without suffering a fatal crash.
USMC officials have praised the MV-22's performance, although the service has acknowledged concerns about unexpectedly high costs to operate and maintain the unique tiltrotor fleet.
AFSOC, meanwhile, had deployed six CV-22s delivered so far to Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan before sustaining the crash.
The brown-out scenario during landing is recognized as a major safety concern for all rotorcraft operating in areas with loose sand. A recent study by the Office of the Secretary of Defense has concluded that 80% of the US millitary's 320 rotorcraft crashes during the last decade has been caused by degraded visual awareness.

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04-20-2010 01:39 PM  8 years agoPost 4

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in a wadi around 1am under brown-out conditions
In the dark and in the dust - not a good combination for an aviator


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05-20-2010 11:24 AM  8 years agoPost 5


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V22 went down in airplane mode at high speed.
Low altitude airplane mode, hits a berm.

First V-22 Combat Crash Likely 'Pilot Error'

By Jamie McIntyre

An investigation of the crash of an Air Force special operations CV-22 Osprey in Afghanistan last month has concluded the pilot of the tilt-rotor aircraft flew too close to the ground, striking an earthen berm, a source who has been briefed on the finding tells Line Of Departure.

The conclusions of the accident investigators - which haven't been released because they are not yet final - rule out mechanical malfunction and hostile fire as possible causes of the first crash of an operational model of the controversial heli-plane.

The final report is likely to blame the mishap on pilot error, because the evidence suggests the V-22 was flying at high speed, at very low altitude, in airplane mode, with its massive rotors perpendicular to the ground when it struck the berm.

A source says the force of the impact sheared off both engines (nacelles) and both wings before the plane flipped over.

Remarkably of the 20 occupants, 16 survived the crash. The dead included an Air Force pilot, an Air Force flight engineer, an Army ranger, and a civilian whose affiliation was not disclosed.

Proponents of the V-22 have argued the aircraft's design makes surviving a crash more likely, and the incident would likely lend credence to that argument. It will also dispute statements made by the Taliban, which after the crash on the night of April 8/April 9 claimed credit for shooting the down.

The accident report neither validates the V-22's proponents, nor vindicates its detractors. It may just postpone that debate until the next incident.

"I don't think it means anything for the future of the V-22, because obviously that kind of thing could happen to any aircraft if its just a question of flying too fast and too low", says longtime aviation reporter Richard Whittle, author of the authoritative new book, "The Dream Machine:
the Untold History of the Notorious V-22 Osprey."

Whittle cautions against blaming the pilot for the crash, before the full investigation is released, "Whether a pilot is actually negligent or not is a very difficult question," says Whittle, "but if that turns out to be the case, then obviously it has nothing to do with the mechanics of the V-22, or possibly even the tactics, maybe the Air Force has to rethink their tactics, I don't know."

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