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04-10-2010 11:16 PM  8 years agoPost 1
akforsyth

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OK, now I know this is a dumb question, but recently I have come across different people who look at different places on the heli. When I first started, I was told to look at the skids, which I do. After coming back to the hobby I have been doing lots of reading trying to catch up on all the changes since I left and have come across people now saying look at the mast. Well I tried that and found that I actually hover worse (if I can get any worse). So whats everyone think of where they look on the heli when hovering? Should I be trying to change or does it really matter. I am hoping that there might be a trick besides flight time that will help my hover ...

The stupid shall be punished

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04-10-2010 11:24 PM  8 years agoPost 2
QuantumPSI

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Whatever works for you. Eventually, you'll "see" the entire helicopter.

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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04-10-2010 11:36 PM  8 years agoPost 3
hbk2owner

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i think everyone focuses on on part but you dont know that. you just look at the whole heli. thats just my thought.

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04-10-2010 11:36 PM  8 years agoPost 4
Frank Bostwick

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When I first started I looked at the skids, now its more the rotor disc, as thats where its going, shortly Best thing I did when starting is to get comfortable with the heli above my head. Below that cost money quick. Get that thing up there, it helps alot.

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04-10-2010 11:40 PM  8 years agoPost 5
aussie_g

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Im no expert, but I would think the skids would be the worst place - it is the furthest thing from your control surface...

I look at the disc, and I would imagine that its a good place to look, as when you get to FF or inverted you would need to re-learn where to look.

Gareth

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04-10-2010 11:57 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Phoenix_8

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where do you look?
I fly the disc as well (use those reflective decals). But a bright canopy helps me a lot. I'm like aussie g, I find it difficult to find orientation with the skids.
I am hoping that there might be a trick besides flight time that will help my hover ...
The only substitute for flight time, in my opinion, is sim time.

Happy flying man.

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04-11-2010 12:27 AM  8 years agoPost 7
thtoyman

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Hey Hey.
Quit looking at the girl. Keep your eyes on the heli.lol

rotor disc good place to start

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04-11-2010 03:22 AM  8 years agoPost 8
Solmanbandit

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Im no expert, but I would think the skids would be the worst place - it is the furthest thing from your control surface...
It doesn't matter that it is away from the the control surfaces. I personally look at the whole heli when it is facing towards me or to the side. If I am looking at from behind, I look at the skids and the tail boom. My main focus is on which way is it drifting and what do I need to do to correct it. Focusing on your mast/head/rotors seems very strange to me and would confuse the heck out of me.

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04-11-2010 05:30 AM  8 years agoPost 9
rotormonkey

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OK a rather dumb question, but where do you look when hovering?
Hopefully you'd be looking at your heli. If not you're likely going to be in trouble pretty soon.

In all seriousness though, I look at all of it, and don't think much about it. You sorta take your cues wherever you can get them. Generally I mostly find myself keying off the nose and rotor disc when possible. Like the other guys said - the rotor disc tells you where it's headed when you hit the collective which is THE most important thing when 3ding it around.

I've also found the skids to be the worst thing to key off of. I've caught myself doing it a few times and it screws me up. Not because it's far from the control surfaces, but because they play sorta optical tricks with you. Looking at only the skids you might think it's tilted one way, and it isn't at all. Then panic sets in That's just my experience anyway.

If it can't hover, it ain't worth flying.

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04-11-2010 05:41 AM  8 years agoPost 10
Wingman77

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Eventually, you'll "see" the entire helicopter.
hit the nail on the head here, you should not be focusing on any part of the helicopter, you should be able to "see" the whole machine.

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04-11-2010 05:11 PM  8 years agoPost 11
kc8qpu

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You know its funny I have only been flying for 3 years so in some ways I still don't feel as if I know enough to answer some of these posts. But when reading them I do remember they are the same questions I once had. Just like this one. When these guys tell you that evenetually you will see the whole heli it is true. I remember I used to look at the rotor disc and now no matter what I do I see the whole heli. Don't worry just keep flying it will all come to you.

Carpe Diem!!!

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04-11-2010 11:09 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Dirthead

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Boy some of these ?'s really make a guy think a little bit. Another angle on "seeing the whole thing". I think that as you are learning to fly, you are focusing on a certain part at a time then another and so on. Pretty soon you are focused on one point knowing what the other parts are doing, allowing you to "see" the whole thing.

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04-11-2010 11:19 PM  8 years agoPost 13
Solmanbandit

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I have learned that there are some things where you can/want to focus on a certain part. For instance, when towing and back up aircraft, you want to watch your main landing gear and wing tips. You watch your wing tips so you don't hit something. You also watch your main gear to figure out where you want to place the aircraft. While flying heli's being hovering or forward flight, I am always looking at different aspects depending on what is going on.

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04-12-2010 01:03 AM  8 years agoPost 14
Gyronut

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Just look at the whole thing....

Take it all in and evaluate whats going on, dont get in a rut and look at just one thing.

Rick

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04-12-2010 04:52 AM  8 years agoPost 15
akforsyth

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Thanks for all the great replies. I tried a bit earlier on the sim just looking at the whole heli, and while I still have issues with it drifting a bit (can only manage about 5 seconds nice and still in one spot) I managed to keep it in about a 2 foot circle. Hopefully it just keeps getting tighter and tighter. I found that I was not gritting my teeth nearly as bad either It was actually getting ahrd on the eyes on the sim to stare at one part for too long, now if I could jest get it to settle down a bit more while going side on. Again, thanks for the replies.

The stupid shall be punished

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04-13-2010 01:34 PM  8 years agoPost 16
TachyonDriver

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"Always fly the nose" I was told. This is kind of hard when you're tail in at first, but the general idea is making the nose of the heli go where you want it to.

Tach.

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04-13-2010 08:05 PM  8 years agoPost 17
whbell

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As I am just learning myself, here is what I have done so far (I am sure not all correctly).

I started with a serious "focus" on that tail roter for my first hovering practices. With this focus I learned hover tail in, but not hover over my head. Then I learned to "look" at the heli from below and behind and in one session, I could go over my head and come back in one piece. I had to put the heli over my head and see it for myself so I could learn this look, but we made it through.

Then as I started side on hovers, I was focusing on the landing skids at that point. It is so easy close in to see a fore/aft dip or side to side drop. Well that goes nowhere fast just a few feet further away because the two gear skids become one and I was in worse shape than before. No forward flight with this focus. I knew this was my problem at that point and I started using the rotor disk to help me get a little further away, but still no love. Forward flight was just not there for me, (just ask my mentor).

Over the winter down time here is what really helped me on my sim time. I turned down the disk visibility to like 50% and I would break off the skids with a solid put down for that sim flight. With my heli in this configuration I lost my crutches in a way. Then I just put in hours of forward flight, litteraly hours. In one session all of a sudden I found I was "looking" at the heli in straight forward flight and in turns I needed a little more "focus" on the nose and what I could see of the main disk. Wow, now I could fly this bird. On my first visit to the flying field this spring I went right into forward flight, and without needing to remove the skids even. I never thought that this would be possible when I put the heli up last fall.

All I could really suggest as you progress, when you hit a hard point in the learning curve, figure out for yourself what is holding you back and make a plan to push through it. Like a hard to hover heli may not just be you, it could be a heli that needs some fine tuning to help stability.

Good luck

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04-14-2010 05:16 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Fnity

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I remember those days.... I use to stare at the gear, then the canopy, tried the blades.... My advice is to stare at the whole heli, and its orientation, don't concentrate on one thing in particular, I look at the whole machine and kinda have a mental image of were it is at, and were its going to be, with the inputs I'm getting ready to give it...
After a while you will get to relax and look at it this way, IMO its not about looking at one part, but knowing were its at and were its going.....

Frank Leyva
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04-14-2010 07:56 AM  8 years agoPost 19
helibeast

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I was told years ago that a hovering heli is like having a marble on the middle a table that can pivot in all directions. Every input needs a counter input eventually (but very small inputs}.

Champion,Magic,MiniBoy,Xcell60+50,Intrepid,Intrepid Gas,Baron30,Whisper,300X,mCPXv1v2,Concept,Nexus

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04-16-2010 02:15 AM  8 years agoPost 20
trackemdown

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Doesn't matter what part, or parts you look at. Having control is what's important. I focused on one spot when learning and found that I couldn't fly right if I couldn't see my spot. My opinion, focusing on one spot trains the brain wrong. Look at the entire picture, you'll get used to it.

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