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04-09-2010 05:28 PM  8 years agoPost 1
Scott1115

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I've narrowed down the helicopter and electronics that I think will suit my needs best. Please look over and make any suggestions about what else I need that's not listed as well as any alternatives that might be a better option. I am a newbie and need everything. I want inexpensive (not cheap) stuff without having to re-buy as I get better. Thanks!

TREX 500 ESP Super combo kit - includes kit, motor, ESC, gyro and tail servo and 3 cyclic servos.
Spektrum DX7 7100 transmitter
Spektrum 6200 receiver
Hyperion 6S 2600mAH 35C batteries (2)
Hyperion EOS 6061 battery charger/balancer
Phoenix flight simm

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04-09-2010 05:31 PM  8 years agoPost 2
kc8qpu

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get the pro 3d blades from Helidirect if the kit doesn't come with them. they are nice blades for the price.

Carpe Diem!!!

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04-09-2010 06:18 PM  8 years agoPost 3
TJinGuy

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There is no reason to buy high performance batteries if you are just learning to hover. Do yourself a favor and get 6 cheap packs instead of 2 expensive packs. The cost is about the same but you will have 6 packs to learn on. This will not only give you more flight time but it will also spread out the wear on the packs.

Next if you get seriously addicted to flying, like most of use do when we start, you might want either a more powerful charger or multiple chargers in order to speed up charging. Though with 6 packs you could charge them all up the night before you fly and have 6 packs to fly the next day.

In the end I guess I would recommend you grab a pair of the 150W cheaper chargers and 6 HobbyCity packs.

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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04-09-2010 06:31 PM  8 years agoPost 4
kc8qpu

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Definately agree with the battery thing.

Carpe Diem!!!

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04-09-2010 07:21 PM  8 years agoPost 5
dchekas

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Don't forget tools.

Ball link pliers, hardened tip 1.5mm, 2.0, 2.5, and 3.0 Allen drivers, JIS screw drivers, link reamer, link driver, loctite 242, 266, CA glue, Tri flo oil, Velcro, zip ties, and a pitch gauge. I'm sure I'm missing some, but those are some of the basics.

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04-09-2010 07:27 PM  8 years agoPost 6
Frank Bostwick

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BUY A SIM FIRST!!!

OK Missed that on your list, but its still should be considered a
must have

RIP ROMAN

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04-09-2010 08:59 PM  8 years agoPost 7
ChrisMoore

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Good information so far. I especially like the recommendation to get more batterys...I am a nitro guy so I say "burn fuel", which is pretty much the same thing.

Cool sunglasses are a must. That's my addition to your list.

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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04-09-2010 09:02 PM  8 years agoPost 8
Phoenix_8

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prepare for the inevitable (crash parts)
I agree with what everyone said.

But also get: extra blades, spindle, main shaft, boom, landing gear, main gear, etc.

Having these parts available to you shortens the downtime between crashes.

Have fun and good luck.

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04-09-2010 09:19 PM  8 years agoPost 9
Jgatorman

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Do not even spool a trex 500 up until you have 40 hours on the sim. I say this because a trex 500 has teeth and if it bites you, you will be taking a ride in the meat wagon. I am not trying to scare you but this is no 450 or smaller. Skip the crash parts, no sense in stocking parts if you can discepline yourself on the sim and once very comfortable on the sim follow rads school of flight religously. People usually crash due to orientation issues if you are disciplined you can alleviate orientation issues almost completely. Go slow young jedi and the force will be with you.

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04-09-2010 09:46 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Heli0228

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Information
My 2 cents is if you are going to start from scratch, I think you should get.
1. A good simulator, you need this because if you can not fly here you will not fly the real heli, and then you will just cost your self more money.

2. If you are going to get a Trex 500 this is not a small bird, I think you should start with a 30 or 50 size nitro. I like the nitro because you just gas and fly as long as receiver battery is good you can fly. I started on nitro and I think it is an eaiser machine to learn on, as you start you will be doing lots of hovering and landing as a start, and with a nitro you have full power until out of gas, with the battery you power is always going down as long as the power is on. If someone will put you on the buddy cord then you will be landing and starting off again and again, this is where nitro helps. After you can fly around alone then a Trex 500 is a fine machine.

3. Get some one that has been flying to help you, experienced help will be the best thing you can get.

4. Get some good tools, you will be a far better mechanic than you will be a pilot starting out, you are going to crash and you need to be able to fix things.

5. If you have a 7ch radio get a 7 ch receiver it will be better for you down the road so get one from the start if you get a new Dx7 it will come with a AR7000.

6. As you go on with this hobby you will find there will be more than one way to something so do not get stuck in one frame of mind, listen to what other experienced pilots tell you, we all started out new at one time. Do not get cheap stuff you will get cheap results.

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04-10-2010 02:04 AM  8 years agoPost 11
misfits0311

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Santa Clarita, CA - USA

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I agree with the sim 100%. I waited too long to get one and now I am advancing very fast because I have one. I agree with the lipos, but don't agree with the charger. Get a good charger. Used Thunder Power 1010c and 210 balancers go for $150 used and will definitely take care of your lipos. Cheaper chargers don't read cell voltage down to .005 like the TP chargers. the 500 is a great starter heli and probably will never outgrow that DX7, esp. with flybarless systems. Get comfortable on the sim, research how to setup your radio and heli, and go for it. It's like crack.

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04-10-2010 05:07 AM  8 years agoPost 12
budz

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training gears
buy one or make one. you'll probably use them in only a day as you familiarize yourself with your collective and cyclic inputs with your real radio. at least, for a short period of time, they may save your blades and your heli.

team solo

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04-10-2010 05:35 AM  8 years agoPost 13
koppter

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with two batteries you fly fly and then go home. maybe 12 minutes in the air. wait around for one to charge, and then fly once and wait for the other one. having a bunch can get expensive in a hurry and making sure that all are charged takes a lot of time.

Go nitro. fly fly fly fly.....align 600

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04-10-2010 06:05 AM  8 years agoPost 14
TJinGuy

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Go nitro. fly fly fly fly.....align 600
A Turnigy 6s 3000 20C pack is $30. Buy 4, pay shipping and they come in at about $35 each. That is $120 for about 24min of flying (assuming lower head speeds for learning). Take a decent charger to the field and you can fly all day on those 4 packs.

Nitro costs $3-4 a flight for 8-10min on a 600. People seem to forget the costs. That is $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 = not cheap.

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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04-10-2010 12:38 PM  8 years agoPost 15
ChrisMoore

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Nitro costs $3-4 a flight for 8-10min on a 600. People seem to forget the costs. That is $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 + $3 = not cheap.
and a battery + charge costs something too. A battery costs $30 and a $30 battery used could get 30 or so cycles (from RunRyder research) Seemed like the biggest number of cycles I read was 60. Thats $1 per flight for the battery. Electricity is probably not so expensive, but it does cost something. The big hangup is that a beginner crashes and is that battery up front going to get damaged? If it does you loose a battery and your per flight 'energy' cost goes up pretty high. If I crash a nitro I loose $1.50 in fuel.

BTW I did the math with my OS .50 powered Raptor and a 10 minute flight costs me $1.50 (half of what you are showing).

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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04-10-2010 12:42 PM  8 years agoPost 16
ChrisMoore

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I'd highly recommend buying used:

just an example:

https://rc.runryder.com/t581569p1/

Chris. AMA 497715 IRCHA 3351

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04-10-2010 04:08 PM  8 years agoPost 17
TJinGuy

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BTW I did the math with my OS .50 powered Raptor and a 10 minute flight costs me $1.50 (half of what you are showing).
Most people these days are going to buy a Trex600N with the OS 50 Hyper. That requires 30% fuel and at the hobby shop, where most people buy it 1-2 gallons at a time, it is $30-35 a gallon. The guys I fly with say they get about 10 flights per gallon and fly for about 8min. That is where I am getting my figures and they are plenty applicable. I am sure you can get a bird that costs less per flight but that is just not what most new pilots are going to get ... they are going to get what the LHS sells and that is Align most of the time.

And yes buying used can be a HUGE money saver

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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04-10-2010 07:27 PM  8 years agoPost 18
Heli0228

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Here is the reason I like nitro. If you have a trex 600 or a Raptor both with an Os hyper50 and a 4500maH Jr extra pack reciever battery, you can fly at least 5 flights or more on a 4500mah pack then all you need to do is land and fill up the gas and fly again. I think electric is not a good idea for a beginer, there is no way to fly as much as a nitro heli unless you have more batteries, and a battery for a Trex 500 is a 5cell pack the cost is at least $100 or more and then you need a fairly high end charger to charge a 5cell pack, I think the up front cost is going to be higher than a nitro, and when you land and fly and land and fly as you do when starting out the with the electric how do you know how much time you have until the battery goes down to low, with Nitro you look at the gas tank. Now that being said this is what it started with and what I teach with, a person can fly what ever they want and if the results are good for a certain person then that is fine with me as long as you are happy so if you want to start electric Trex 500 do so, but get experienced help and a good simulator or you will have a very very hard time learning to fly.

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04-10-2010 07:37 PM  8 years agoPost 19
Frank Bostwick

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I fly an OS50 hyper on 15% and it does just fine. You do not HAVE to fly 30% and I pay $21 a gal out the door for wildcat.

RIP ROMAN

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04-10-2010 08:33 PM  8 years agoPost 20
TJinGuy

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I fly an OS50 hyper on 15% and it does just fine. You do not HAVE to fly 30% and I pay $21 a gal out the door for wildcat.
Ever tried that at 5000ft elevation? There is a reason everyone here runs 30%. But you are right, you can likely get by with less when starting out assuming the engine runs ok on it.

- Chris

Team New Mexico
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